Jubaea preference?

[Justin]

Regular - http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Jubaea/chilensis.html

Stiffy - http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Jubaea/chilensisAV.html

It seems like the stiffy would be easier to plant other stuff around, and would show off the shaft...er, trunk, more. The downside is that it wouldn't put off as much shade, and because of the tighter crown, would effectively block viewing anything behind it.

Opinions?

[MattyB]

I like them both. For your application I'd choose the standard form. The stiffy needs space around it to show off it's beauty in my opinion.

[Rafael]

I also like both sub species.

By the way, when is it possible to say a jubaea belongs to one or another subspecies?

Here is a picture of mine.

Edited May 4, 2010 by rafael

[mjff]

If you are trying to replace a CIDP, there is only one choice, the regular form. Get one with enough CT, and planting stuff around it will be no problem and you'll have no problem seeing the trunk either.

Thinking something like this

[PalmGuyWC]

I have 4 large Jubaeas and they are all on the stiff side. One is very strict, but has the largest trunk. I would actually prefer the drooping kind, but then we always want what we don't have. Right? I think they look better as a stand alone palm as the trunk shows off much better with no clutter around it. My number choice would be a drooping silver one. Actually, it doesn't much matter what the top looks like, as it's the thick trunk that gets all the attention.

Dick

[DoomsDave]

Regular for me, especially in the blue form.

Although, in your case, any big Jube would be a dazzler, with that bold shape.

[Kris]

Hai,

yes the blue form of chelian wine palm rocks ! thre is no point in growing the common form ! And if you like fan palms then you can try the talipot palms(Corypha's)

Even butia x jubea or jubea x butia will also look good in that place.

Love,

kris.

[PalmGuyWC]

I forgot to mention, but it will probably take 20 years until you know if you have a drooper or a stiffey, as the characteristic doesn't show until the palm has some age.

Dick

[AJQ]

I believe that whether it is a Stiffy or Droopy depends on your climate and the palm adapts accordingly. My floppy has started to become a Stiffy after 5 years of adapting to the cooler windy conditions I have here in "Norin Iron". The fronds are definitely becoming shorter and stiffer. I also believe that when they get very much older that they can change cack again. Someone else has mentioned this previously on this board several years ago but I can't recall who???

Diego Grubber I think rings a bell but I can't be sure.

Regards Andy.

Edited May 5, 2010 by AJQ

[Nigel]

I believe that whether it is a Stiffy or Droopy depends on your climate and the palm adapts accordingly. My floppy has started to become a Stiffy after 5 years of adapting to the cooler windy conditions I have here in "Norin Iron". The fronds are definitely becoming shorter and stiffer. I also believe that when they get very much older that they can change cack again. Someone else has mentioned this previously on this board several years ago but I can't recall who???

Regards Andy.

Maybe me Andy, I always believed there was only 1 type, because in windy spots they always seem to be stiffys.

[PalmGuyWC]

I tend to believe it's genetic, as one of mine is very strict while the others aren't and they are all growing under the same conditions. The floopys seem to hold more fronds than the strict ones, but I think there's a lot of variation of the species......like most palms.

Dick

[Gtlevine]

I forgot to mention, but it will probably take 20 years until you know if you have a drooper or a stiffey, as the characteristic doesn't show until the palm has some age.

Dick

Hi Dick, I have grown so many Jubaea that I have to disagree with you. I can tell a good floppy form from a stiff leaf form when they are very young, maybe 15 gallon size.

[Dundo]

I like them both but slightly prefer regular form. Tho u can plant upright form closer to the house/buildings/other trees if you have limited space.

[Mark Heath]

I prefer the floppy kind. Like the one in Martins pics! What a beauty!

[PalmGuyWC]

I forgot to mention, but it will probably take 20 years until you know if you have a drooper or a stiffey, as the characteristic doesn't show until the palm has some age.

Dick

Hi Dick, I have grown so many Jubaea that I have to disagree with you. I can tell a good floppy form from a stiff leaf form when they are very young, maybe 15 gallon size.

Gary,

I bow to your experience. You have obviously grown more than I have.

Dick

[sarasota alex]

Genetic or not, I don't remember ever seeing any pictures of stiffy Jubaeas in habitat. Is this something that was produced in cultivation?

[PalmGuyWC]

Genetic or not, I don't remember ever seeing any pictures of stiffy Jubaeas in habitat. Is this something that was produced in cultivation?

Alex,

Go back to the first entry of this thread and there is a picture of "stiffys" in habitat. I'd be interested to know if the stiffys are mixed with the "droopys" in habitat, or if they are a seperate population. Also, does the blue form only come from Blue mother trees, or can they come from green Jubaeas, or vice versa?

Dick

[sarasota alex]

Genetic or not, I don't remember ever seeing any pictures of stiffy Jubaeas in habitat. Is this something that was produced in cultivation?

Alex,

Go back to the first entry of this thread and there is a picture of "stiffys" in habitat. I'd be interested to know if the stiffys are mixed with the "droopys" in habitat, or if they are a seperate population. Also, does the blue form only come from Blue mother trees, or can they come from green Jubaeas, or vice versa?

Dick

Thanks Dick!

The caption does say "in habitat", I should've paid more attention.

[freakypalmguy]

I've got room to grow both varieties, so I planted ten from 15gal's and a few of mine already showing that they are stiffies, one in particular appears to be super stiff and it's apx 4feet to the tip of the fronds.

[PalmGuyWC]

I've got room to grow both varieties, so I planted ten from 15gal's and a few of mine already showing that they are stiffies, one in particular appears to be super stiff and it's apx 4feet to the tip of the fronds.

Matt,

Wow, 10 Jubaeas? Are you trying to give Lotus Land competition?

Trivia question: Does anyone have a rough guesstimate how many large Jubaeas are growing in S. Calif? Patrick Schaffer estimates there are about 100 with woody trunk growing in N. Calif from Santa Rosa to Santa Cruz.

Dick

[Kelern]

I don't think there is a stiff form, once mature Jubaeas always turn out floopys, they are stiffs because they are not mature, they are still making their trunk, growing fast.

[BS Man about Palms]

I've got room to grow both varieties, so I planted ten from 15gal's and a few of mine already showing that they are stiffies, one in particular appears to be super stiff and it's apx 4feet to the tip of the fronds.

Matt,

Wow, 10 Jubaeas? Are you trying to give Lotus Land competition?

Trivia question: Does anyone have a rough guesstimate how many large Jubaeas are growing in S. Calif? Patrick Schaffer estimates there are about 100 with woody trunk growing in N. Calif from Santa Rosa to Santa Cruz.

Dick

I wish I wrote it down, but I counted the day we took the "PRA Group Photo" at the Jubeas of Mission Bay park. I believe I counted 40 there. All but 1 trunking, but close. I would think another 100 or so at least "off the map".

[PalmGuyWC]

Bill,

Mission Bay is the only mass planting of Jubaeas that I know of in Calif, but aren't there a lot growing at Lotus Land? Seems like I see a lot of photos of Jubaeas scattered around in S. Calif.

Dick

[freakypalmguy]

I've got room to grow both varieties, so I planted ten from 15gal's and a few of mine already showing that they are stiffies, one in particular appears to be super stiff and it's apx 4feet to the tip of the fronds.

Matt,

Wow, 10 Jubaeas? Are you trying to give Lotus Land competition?

Trivia question: Does anyone have a rough guesstimate how many large Jubaeas are growing in S. Calif? Patrick Schaffer estimates there are about 100 with woody trunk growing in N. Calif from Santa Rosa to Santa Cruz.

Dick

I'm giving it a go Dick I don't know how many total, but I do know of 2 trunking specimens in Temecula. I also just saw some 36" boxed specimens lining the entrance to one of the new wineries out here. That will be a sight someday.

[freakypalmguy]

I don't think there is a stiff form, once mature Jubaeas always turn out floopys, they are stiffs because they are not mature, they are still making their trunk, growing fast.

Hi Kelern,

Here is a mature Jubea in the Dick Douglas garden. As you can see, this palm is not trimmed this way.

[BS Man about Palms]

Bill,

Mission Bay is the only mass planting of Jubaeas that I know of in Calif, but aren't there a lot growing at Lotus Land? Seems like I see a lot of photos of Jubaeas scattered around in S. Calif.

Dick

Yes Dick, there is a fair amount there. I went a couple years ago and I would say they had 15-20 at least.

[sarasota alex]

I noticed during my trip to Northern California that queens look more upright than they do here in Florida. Or is it just me?

Sorry for an off-topic question, but it got me thinking maybe it is a way for a palm to adapt.

[iamjv]

I found Lotus Land to be awesome.... the jubs there are spectacular and quite mature. Also noticed that the jubs at the back exterior gates have also naturalized as there were baby jubs coming up everywhere. Not sure if this was occurring because this area was less manicured (i.e.seedlings weren't removed) or that it was the dryer conditions, as this back area seemed to receive less irrigated then the interior garden areas. Jv

[Mr Rare]

I am growing three green form and five blue form. The largest green form has 5' of clean trunk and lax fronds. The two other green forms are approx 4' to the meristem and exhibit the two different forms. The blue form[acquired from Mardy Darian off his palm}are much faster growing and several are approx.8' to the meristem and currently have infloresences on them. The blue form have more relaxed fronds then the green form. I enjoy them all and would urge you all to plant as many as you can.

Jeffry Brusseau

" Cuesta Linda"

[PalmGuyWC]

I think most palms grown in Calif. look a little stiffer and harder grown than the ones in Florida. I think it's because of our cooler night time temps, however I have one Syagrus R. that has a beautiful crown with beautiful drooping fronds. It looks superior to all my other Queens and that's the one that Patrick usually gets pollen from for hybridization.

Jv, I remember seeing the Jubaeas at the back entrance of Lotus Land, and they looked rather stressed, probably because of a lack of irrigation. Even though Jubaeas go through a dry period in their natural habitat, I deep soak mine at least once a month in the warmer months because that's when they do most of their growing. Even the desert palms (Braheas, Washingtonias) seem to respond to a good soaking in the summer. In habitat they are usually growing near a stream and have their roots down to moisture.

Dick

[BS Man about Palms]

OK. So which is mine? An "in-betweener"?

[PalmGuyWC]

OK. So which is mine? An "in-betweener"?

BS,

I would say yours looks like a droopy. Do you have any idea how old it is? When I planted mine years ago, I didn't know there was a droopy and a strict growing one. Seems like mine were more rigid and stiff. I do remember I had difficulty mowing around them for several years. young Butias can be difficult to mow around too, as the tips of the fronds want to touch the ground. It's best not to have grass growing around them

Dick

[BS Man about Palms]

OK. So which is mine? An "in-betweener"?

BS,

I would say yours looks like a droopy. Do you have any idea how old it is? When I planted mine years ago, I didn't know there was a droopy and a strict growing one. Seems like mine were more rigid and stiff. I do remember I had difficulty mowing around them for several years. young Butias can be difficult to mow around too, as the tips of the fronds want to touch the ground. It's best not to have grass growing around them

Dick

Dick- I would say based on what I was told, it is 12-14 years old.

[freakypalmguy]

Here's some shots of a couple of mine that are pretty distinctly a stiffy and a more lax version showing at a small size.

Looks lax

stiffy

[DoomsDave]

I've got room to grow both varieties, so I planted ten from 15gal's and a few of mine already showing that they are stiffies, one in particular appears to be super stiff and it's apx 4feet to the tip of the fronds.

Matt,

Wow, 10 Jubaeas? Are you trying to give Lotus Land competition?

Trivia question: Does anyone have a rough guesstimate how many large Jubaeas are growing in S. Calif? Patrick Schaffer estimates there are about 100 with woody trunk growing in N. Calif from Santa Rosa to Santa Cruz.

Dick

I wish I wrote it down, but I counted the day we took the "PRA Group Photo" at the Jubeas of Mission Bay park. I believe I counted 40 there. All but 1 trunking, but close. I would think another 100 or so at least "off the map".

Hmm.

I add your 40 in MB to the 5 in White Park in Riverside, 2, by Mission Santa Barbara, one in Elysian park in LA, and about a dozen on Topanga Canyon Road, but someone correct me. There's also one in a private garden in Riverside with a large-scale model railroad near Iowa Street, in Riverside. And, Gary Wood had one that was trunking. That's about 60. I'm sure there's more.

[PalmGuyWC]

California has a population of approximately 36 million people. Let's assume there are approx 200 Jubaeas with 10 feet or more of woody trunk, and maybe a few more scattered here and there. Would that make Jubaeas rare or just uncommon?

I just discovered yesterday that two of my Jubaeas have emerging bloom spathes. We have had a cool spring in N. Calif. with very little warmth. Patrick Schafer tells me that from his notes, the Jubaeas were blooming this time last year. None of my Butias or the Butia X Jubaea show any signs of blooming yet.

Dick

[Wanderanwills]

Hi,

How blue is the blue form, and does in come in both forms, weepy and stiff?

Regards

Stephen

[Geoff]

Here's a few Jubaea varieties from Lotusland, Santa Barbara, California... these are 100 year palms at least. The first photo shows the stiffy variety with a 'normal' one in the background... the second is of two particularly nice silvery varieties (some call these blue) and lastly is my favorite, and arching leaf form that never holds leaves below vertical, but is not really a 'stiffy' either.

[iamjv]

Great pics Geoff! Jv

[PalmGuyWC]

Geoff,

Excellent pictures to show the different forms of Jubaea.

Dick