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Sunkha flower, first in So Cal?

Gtlevine

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Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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One of my Parajubaea Sunkha is flowering for the first time. I believe this is the first flowering Sunkha in So Cal, maybe in the U.S. The big question will be do I let it seed or do I extract the pollen for some cross pollination with Butia or Queen or Jubaea?

Gary

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Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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The big question will be do I let it seed or do I extract the pollen for some cross pollination with Butia or Queen or Jubaea?

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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Can you do both?

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Aren't the first few spathes notoriously "iffy"?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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Collect the pollen and pair it up.

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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collect the pollen, do the hokey pokey then turn around.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Gary,

As BS mentions, the first blooms can be iffy, but you should have enough pollen to grow seeds on your Sunkha and enough left over to hybridize. When the spathe starts to open, I'd encase it with a large paper bag and not waste a single grain of pollen. Don't use a plastic bag or the moisture collection might kill the pollen.

Dick

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Tassie_Troy1971 Grand Master

Tassie_Troy1971

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Hi Gary

The Parajubaea Sunkha has a beatutiful form almost cocos like !

I would be tempted to cross it with a Jubaea . Are there any hybrid P .cocoides Jubaeas out there ?

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

Tassie_Troy1971 Grand Master

Tassie_Troy1971

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Hi Gary

The Parajubaea Sunkha has a beatutiful form almost cocos like !

I would be tempted to cross it with a Jubaea . Are there any hybrid P .cocoides Jubaeas out there ?

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

Don Rising Star

Don

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Good luck and congradulations make the most of it.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Aren't the first few spathes notoriously "iffy"?

You better believe it. With most species anyways. I've seen a few palms go to flower and set very good seed on the first go round.

Gary,

Congrats, keep us posted with what you do.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Well done. I'd at least let it set true to type seed first. This is a very rare palm in habitat. Then start doing Frankensteining work later. It will probably flower prolifically from now on. This is likely the least commonly grown Parajubaea around. I have two in 35L pots. One will go in the ground the other will go to someone elses garden who will appreciate it.

When you cross it, why not try crossing it with a Cocos. :drool:

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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So, Gary, do you have an ID key to tell one parajube from another, in particular P. sunkha from tor-tor?

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Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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So, Gary, do you have an ID key to tell one parajube from another, in particular P. sunkha from tor-tor?

I have all four Dave, they are very different from each other and easy to tell apart. Sunkha is the smallest with silvery green leaves, more so underneath. Sunkha matures to a much more tropical coconut looking palm. Torallyi is dark green leaves with a bronze color underneath the leaves. It is very fat and has very long leaves. My Microcarpa looks like a giant Sunkha, and Cocoides just looks like COcoides. Thats kind of a poor man's ID but all four species really don't look similar at all and once you have seen larger plants in person you will never be confused.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Thanks, Gary, I might have all four and don't know.

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merrill Mentor

merrill

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Hi, Folks:

I'd try both!

Best Wishes,

merrill

merrill, North Central Florida

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Bleah!

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Urban Rainforest

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Gary, Congratulations! That is one nice looking palm! I have all four varieties as well and your right about them being differant. My Coccoides aborted on It's first few trys but is setting seed now. How about Sunkha x Syagrus Abreojos :drool: .

Stevo

Urban Rainforest Palms,Cycads and Exotics. Were in San Diego Ca. about 5 miles from the beach on Tecolote canyon. It seems to be an ideal growing climate with moderate temps. and very little frost. Vacation Rental in Leilani Estates, big island Hi PM me if interested in staying there.

Jonathan Veteran

Jonathan

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Gary,

please let it set some seeds - and send them to Tasmania!

I've not seen this species for sale anywhere and like Tyrone points out it has a very limited distribution.

I dont know of any in Australia (has anyone got one?).

The hybrids can be done later, but I think we need to get more into cultivation, for the sake of preserving the species.

Cheers,

Jonathan

South Arm, Tasmania, Australia - 42° South

Mild oceanic climate, with coastal exposure.

 

Summer: 12°C (53°F) average min, to 21°C (70°F) average daily max. Up to 40°C (104°F max) rarely.

 

Winter: 6°C (43°F) average min, to 13°C (55°F) average daily max. Down to 0°C (32°F) occasionally, some light frost.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Gary,

please let it set some seeds - and send them to Tasmania!

I've not seen this species for sale anywhere and like Tyrone points out it has a very limited distribution.

I dont know of any in Australia (has anyone got one?).

The hybrids can be done later, but I think we need to get more into cultivation, for the sake of preserving the species.

Cheers,

Jonathan

I have two in pots. I didn't know they were that rare over here. But to be honest I've never seen one anywhere.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Jeff zone 8 N.C. Experienced

Jeff zone 8 N.C.

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One of my Parajubaea Sunkha is flowering for the first time. I believe this is the first flowering Sunkha in So Cal, maybe in the U.S. The big question will be do I let it seed or do I extract the pollen for some cross pollination with Butia or Queen or Jubaea?

Gary

Beautiful sunka Gary! About how many years did it take to flower? I say definitely collect some pollen and hybridize but let it set pure seed too. You can then claim three U.S. firsts. Possibly collect more pollen then cut away some seed bearing sites to produce less seeds the first year. That might help the tree produce successfully the first time.

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Gary:

if the first thang's a thang, collect the pollen . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Jonathan Veteran

Jonathan

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Gary,

please let it set some seeds - and send them to Tasmania!

I've not seen this species for sale anywhere and like Tyrone points out it has a very limited distribution.

I dont know of any in Australia (has anyone got one?).

The hybrids can be done later, but I think we need to get more into cultivation, for the sake of preserving the species.

Cheers,

Jonathan

I have two in pots. I didn't know they were that rare over here. But to be honest I've never seen one anywhere.

Best regards

Tyrone

They wont be happy in your climate Tyrone - I think for the good of the species you should send those two to me....

Besides which - they are ugly and take up a lot of room - I dont think you'll be at all happy with them.

Cheers,

Jonathan

South Arm, Tasmania, Australia - 42° South

Mild oceanic climate, with coastal exposure.

 

Summer: 12°C (53°F) average min, to 21°C (70°F) average daily max. Up to 40°C (104°F max) rarely.

 

Winter: 6°C (43°F) average min, to 13°C (55°F) average daily max. Down to 0°C (32°F) occasionally, some light frost.

newcal Proficient

newcal

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Nice P.sunkha Gary. Jonathan and Tyrone ,i've actually got one in the ground here and it does'nt mind the Queensland climate!It seems to take the heat and humidity in it's stride...i'll post a pic of it in the thread 'out back O Bonogin' soon...cheers Mike Green (Newcal)

ghar41 Veteran

ghar41

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This is really great, thanks Gary.

Here's mine, I bought this plant from SLO palms last summer as a 15 gallon, brought it home, put it in the ground and it started growing immediately. The top of the leaves reach over 7' now. Ive planted one each on opposite sides of my pool, with Trachycarpus princeps in between, next to a waterfall.

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Glenn

Modesto, California

 

Sunset Zone 14   USDA 9b

 

Low Temp. 19F/-7C 12-20-1990         

 

High Temp. 111F/43C 07-23-2006

 

Annual Average Precipitation 13.12 inches/yr.

 

             

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Nice P.sunkha Gary. Jonathan and Tyrone ,i've actually got one in the ground here and it does'nt mind the Queensland climate!It seems to take the heat and humidity in it's stride...i'll post a pic of it in the thread 'out back O Bonogin' soon...cheers Mike Green (Newcal)

I look forward to it Mike. :)

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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One of my Parajubaea Sunkha is flowering for the first time. I believe this is the first flowering Sunkha in So Cal, maybe in the U.S. The big question will be do I let it seed or do I extract the pollen for some cross pollination with Butia or Queen or Jubaea?

Gary

Beautiful sunka Gary! About how many years did it take to flower? I say definitely collect some pollen and hybridize but let it set pure seed too. You can then claim three U.S. firsts. Possibly collect more pollen then cut away some seed bearing sites to produce less seeds the first year. That might help the tree produce successfully the first time.

That particular palm I purchased as a two leaf seedling from JD Andersen and planted it in the ground immediately. I will look back at my records and see if I can find out when, but maybe Jerry Andersen can chime in and give us a date. This was the first batch of Sunkha seed Jerry got and I believe it was around seven years ago plus or minus. So two leaf seedling to seeding in seven years sounds about right.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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Gary, Congratulations! That is one nice looking palm! I have all four varieties as well and your right about them being differant. My Coccoides aborted on It's first few trys but is setting seed now. How about Sunkha x Syagrus Abreojos :drool: .

Stevo

I second the motion that Stevo brought up!! Gary, you can do both, use the pollen on a Jubaea or Butia and pollinate the inflorescence w/ PogoBobs S.Abreojos! Usually the first inflorescence drops the pollen before the female flowers are resceptive anyways, it usually takes a few tries to get it right. Usually, but like Jeff said, sometimes they get it right the first time.

I will gladly perform the cross for you BXP.S if you want, but i am sure there will be many Cali guys begging for pollen, and rightly so!

Congratulations!!

Mark

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Garito!

Keep us apprized, amigo!

Whatever you do and whatever happens!

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Gary,

please let it set some seeds - and send them to Tasmania!

I've not seen this species for sale anywhere and like Tyrone points out it has a very limited distribution.

I dont know of any in Australia (has anyone got one?).

The hybrids can be done later, but I think we need to get more into cultivation, for the sake of preserving the species.

Cheers,

Jonathan

I have two in pots. I didn't know they were that rare over here. But to be honest I've never seen one anywhere.

Best regards

Tyrone

They wont be happy in your climate Tyrone - I think for the good of the species you should send those two to me....

Besides which - they are ugly and take up a lot of room - I dont think you'll be at all happy with them.

Cheers,

Jonathan

Jonathan,Your words touched me!!!

Another good soul wanting to help a friend !! :D

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Beautiful sunka Gary! About how many years did it take to flower?

My sunkha is also growing fast! I´m also curious to know how old this is. I want to know how long I have to wait !

Garry,do you have a photo with somebody for scale? I remember one with your son....

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Jonathan Veteran

Jonathan

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Gary,

please let it set some seeds - and send them to Tasmania!

I've not seen this species for sale anywhere and like Tyrone points out it has a very limited distribution.

I dont know of any in Australia (has anyone got one?).

The hybrids can be done later, but I think we need to get more into cultivation, for the sake of preserving the species.

Cheers,

Jonathan

I have two in pots. I didn't know they were that rare over here. But to be honest I've never seen one anywhere.

Best regards

Tyrone

They wont be happy in your climate Tyrone - I think for the good of the species you should send those two to me....

Besides which - they are ugly and take up a lot of room - I dont think you'll be at all happy with them.

Cheers,

Jonathan

Jonathan,Your words touched me!!!

Another good soul wanting to help a friend !! :D

Yes Alberto - I'm very concerned that Tyrone wont be happy with those palms, and the least I can do is offer to get rid of them for him!

Cheers,

Jonathan

South Arm, Tasmania, Australia - 42° South

Mild oceanic climate, with coastal exposure.

 

Summer: 12°C (53°F) average min, to 21°C (70°F) average daily max. Up to 40°C (104°F max) rarely.

 

Winter: 6°C (43°F) average min, to 13°C (55°F) average daily max. Down to 0°C (32°F) occasionally, some light frost.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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:lol:

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

iwan Mentor

iwan

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Gary, is that sunkha arching away from the rock? Was considering some group plantings of Parajubaea, but afraid they will grow straight up.

Robert

Madera, CA (central San Joaquin valley)

9A

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Beautiful sunka Gary! About how many years did it take to flower?

My sunkha is also growing fast! I´m also curious to know how old this is. I want to know how long I have to wait !

Garry,do you have a photo with somebody for scale? I remember one with your son....

This was mine in April 2006

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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......and today. How long have I to wait for an inflorescence???

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Wow Alberto, that's some growth there.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I see Alberto is ready to pop the cork!! :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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......and today. How long have I to wait for an inflorescence???

I guessed seven years for mine Alberto, but mine was planted smaller than yours. From the looks of yours you have two years left to flower. That is also a very beautiful specimen, just love Sunkha.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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