jubaea blue???

[sergiskan]

hello...

...another time i write here to know about this palm...thank´s

...is just a jubaea???...or have something of butia???

has tomentum under the leatlets

thank´s again...bye

[Ryland]

It looks like a Jubaea alright to me... I have one of a very similar size, and yours is basically identical. Nothing in your pics makes me think of Butia though. Jubaea and Butia naturally have very similar looking leaf bases when young, so yours is completely normal in that instance.

[sergiskan]

Hi Rylandus...

thank you for the answer...

...i post this question because i have more jubaeas...and all are green...they don´t have tomentum under the leaflets...and the leaf bases not have this red wine colour...

this is one...

regards...

[iamjv]

It's a good looking palm and looks like a jub to me as well. Jv

[Rafael]

Sergio, besides that blue question, wich i am not able to answer you, i must say your jubaeas are very very beautiful.

How sized are them?? Maybe 1,20 mts??

I have just ordered two 1 mt tall babys, from canarius.

Un saludo Sérgio!

Edited May 30, 2010 by rafael

[Jack Daw]

I too think its Jubaea, let me rephrase: it doesn't look like Butia (fronds are not curved back towards the stem).

Edited May 30, 2010 by Jack Daw

[sergiskan]

thank´s everyone.

...Rafael:...may be 1 meter...

regards

[sergiskan]

I too think its Jubaea, let me rephrase: it doesn't look like Butia (fronds are not curved back towards the stem).

is this a characteristic about a jubutia???...if not curved not jubutia..?? ...

...I am very interested in this topic...

thank´you.

regards.

[DoomsDave]

Sergistan:

Jubee-doo-bee-doo, doo-doo-dee-da . . . .

Jube, all right.

BUT!

Hybrids do creep up on you . . .

[sergiskan]

...ok Jubee-doo-bee-doo Sp.

[DoomsDave]

Doo-doo-do-dee-dah

la la la la yah la lah, etc.

[Neoasis]

There is supposedly a silver/blue form of Jubaea, but they are uncommon. RPS is selling seeds right now as Jubaea chilensis (Blue) that's supposedly from the palm's most northern and driest native location. I haven't seen any mature palms myself, though I did run across one nursery that had blue form jubaeas.

[sergiskan]

thank´s for the info.

...regards.

[maesy]

Here is a blueish Jubaea that I have found along the shore of lake lugano (lago di maggiore)

in northern Italy, only a few kilometres from the swiss border.

Marcel

[PalmGuyWC]

Marcel,

That is one of the most beautiful Jubaeas I've ever seen. I would be crawling around on my hands and knees looking for seeds from that tree.

Dick

[Don]

Thats one helluva palm in post 14 !

[iamjv]

Marcel, what a beautiful jub!!! Hope you managed to get some seeds.... Jv

[Rafael]

Marcel, thats why i have three jubaeas (not blue), and wanna get some more...

[maesy]

Yes it is a real beauty!

Unfortunately it's placed in a private garden, but maybe I should try to get some seeds.

The picture was taken out of a ferry boat.

Marcel

[iamjv]

It's odd how the picture above makes the jub look small.... Marcel would you say that jub is about 30 feet tall??? Such beautiful color on it. Jv

[maesy]

Yes I guess it is around 10 metres tall and at least 40 - 50 years old.

Here are two more pictures from the same place with two more jubs on the first one

and the same blue jub visible on the left side of the second one.

Marcel

[maesy]

I have found a picture in the internet of one of the villas and the two jubs in the yard seem both to have some kind of blue coloured leaves.

Marcel

[Rafael]

I have found a picture in the internet of one of the villas and the two jubs in the yard seem both to have some kind of blue coloured leaves.

Marcel

Thats really amazing...

And what about the seeds??

[maesy]

I have found a picture in the internet of one of the villas and the two jubs in the yard seem both to have some kind of blue coloured leaves.

Marcel

Thats really amazing...

And what about the seeds??

I have not collected any seeds, since I took the pictures two years ago out of a ferry boat.

Maybe I will go camping for a few days close to that place in August, then I will try to get some seeds for sure.

Marcel

[iamjv]

Marcel, it looks like there are three good sized jubs in the first picture in post 21 and all have the blue hue to them. Nice, hope you get some seeds. Maybe you can even find out some history on these palms... Jv

[Kris]

Beautiful visuals...

[maesy]

Marcel, it looks like there are three good sized jubs in the first picture in post 21 and all have the blue hue to them. Nice, hope you get some seeds. Maybe you can even find out some history on these palms... Jv

With the one on my first post (14) there are at least four, and I think they are all at the same age.

A part of the lake maggiore is in Switzerland and has a small island with a beautiful exotic garden. But there are also four more islands on the italian side. One of them is called isla madre. There you could see until last year the probably tallest and oldest jubaea in Europe. It was planted in the year 1858!

Unfortunately it died last year. In the following link you can find some information about the lake and there islands and palms. Plus an older Picture of the jub when it still was in good shape.

My picture I took two years ago.

http://www.palmsociety.org/members/english/chamaerops/047/047-20.shtml

Marcel

[iamjv]

In your picture it looks like it was already declining in health... that's to bad it died for it was a beautiful palm! Jv

[MSX]

On 6/7/2010 at 3:56 AM, maesy said:

 

With the one on my first post (14) there are at least four, and I think they are all at the same age.

 

A part of the lake maggiore is in Switzerland and has a small island with a beautiful exotic garden. But there are also four more islands on the italian side. One of them is called isla madre. There you could see until last year the probably tallest and oldest jubaea in Europe. It was planted in the year 1858!

Unfortunately it died last year. In the following link you can find some information about the lake and there islands and palms. Plus an older Picture of the jub when it still was in good shape.

My picture I took two years ago.

 

 

http://www.palmsociety.org/members/english/chamaerops/047/047-20.shtml

 

Marcel

Marcel, talking of climate phenomeon and huge palms of Ticino region of Switzerland, how can this can be explained? I have been to Geneva and some places of Canton de Vaud, and the only palms I saw there were some Trachies along the Promenade of Montreux Riviera, no Jubeas, no Chamaeropses, no CIDP,  while the climate in Montreux and Locarno/Lugano seems to be very similar according to the weather data.

Edited June 28, 2021 by MSX

[Flow]

2 hours ago, MSX said:

Marcel, talking of climate phenomeon and huge palms of Ticino region of Switzerland, how can this can be explained? I have been to Geneva and some places of Canton de Vaud, and the only palms I saw there were some Trachies along the Promenade of Montreux Riviera, no Jubeas, no Chamaeropses, no CIDP,  while the climate in Montreux and Locarno/Lugano seems to be very similar according to the weather data.

Marcels post was made 11 years ago. In 2012 we had a very severe cold spell that wiped out many palms north of the Alps, including many unprotected Trachycarpus fortunei. Every now and then there comes a winter that can kill most any palm here. In 2012 it was so cold that even in Locarno many Phoenix canariensis were completely defoliated. Jubaeas, Butias and Chamaerops were ok though. I went to Montreux back then and found many palms badly damaged or dead. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the photos right now.

These two are from Locarno, May 2012

 

While Montreux is protected from the cold northern air by a mountain ridge and the Lake, I think in extreme winters like 2012 it is still a tad colder the mildest parts of Ticino.

When were you there? There are some Butias, Chamaerops, Jubaeas and Braheas now. Here are three pics from January 2019

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Flow

[Jimhardy]

On 6/4/2010 at 5:59 AM, maesy said:

Here is a blueish Jubaea that I have found along the shore of lake lugano (lago di maggiore)

in northern Italy, only a few kilometres from the swiss border.

 

Marcel

Great shot of a spectacular palm!

[MSX]

On 6/28/2021 at 12:37 PM, Flow said:

Marcels post was made 11 years ago. In 2012 we had a very severe cold spell that wiped out many palms north of the Alps, including many unprotected Trachycarpus fortunei. Every now and then there comes a winter that can kill most any palm here. In 2012 it was so cold that even in Locarno many Phoenix canariensis were completely defoliated. Jubaeas, Butias and Chamaerops were ok though. I went to Montreux back then and found many palms badly damaged or dead. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the photos right now.

These two are from Locarno, May 2012

 

While Montreux is protected from the cold northern air by a mountain ridge and the Lake, I think in extreme winters like 2012 it is still a tad colder the mildest parts of Ticino.

When were you there? There are some Butias, Chamaerops, Jubaeas and Braheas now. Here are three pics from January 2019

Florian, the last time I stopped in Montreux was in winter 2010 on my way back from ski resort Glacier 3000/ Les Diablerets, I had only one day to explore the town, I walked from Montreux Palace to Chateau de Chillon and back, I clearly remember huge Trachies growing along the lakefront promenade, very unexpected subtropical vibe after the snows, I don't remember however there was any of the wonderful palms I see now on your photos - they either were planted large not long ago or I just was in different part of the quai.

Btw, does anybody know where to get some blue jubaea seeds? I've searched the internet and nothing, only RPS had it but they're 'out of stock' seemingly forever

Edited July 3, 2021 by MSX