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Copernicia alba

AJQ

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AJQ

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How much heat does Copernicia alba really need to thrive or survive?

I know they are reasonably hardy to the cold but are they going to be painfully slow like Sabals in my part of the world?

Regards Andy.

Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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Andy, I planted a C. alba seedling 2 years ago and it still hasn't gone palmate. For me they are at least as slow as Sabals if not more so. Maybe it hates my cheesy alkaline soil but I can't blame lack of heat.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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My climate is a lot fresher in summer than the habitat because of the altitude.

For me they grow at reasonable speed (at the side of a pond)....but also do Sabals.:rolleyes:

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Davidl Mentor

Davidl

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They are faster than a Sabal palm after they get established in my opinion. Of course it depends on the soil and location as to how fast they will grow so in some places sabals might be faster but here alba's seem faster. I have some in a pot and one in the ground and after the one in the ground got established it grew pretty fast for a Copernicia. As per the cool hardiness I'm not sure sorry. This palm is bigger now and seeding

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I have some a little bigger than this one that has been a pot as long as the one in the ground. They seem to nothing in a pot to me.

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peachy Grand Master

peachy

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Andy mine has grown at least 10 cms in the last 3 years !! Which is quite fast in comparison to my baileyana which has grown 3 cm in 5 years. Dussiana is the fastest for me, about 4 leaves per annum, but it sulks in the cold weather. I think its a genus that should be planted when the palm fancier is in utero.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Andy mine has grown at least 10 cms in the last 3 years !! Which is quite fast in comparison to my baileyana which has grown 3 cm in 5 years.

Peachy, your C.alba has a problem for sure. It´s normally not slow like this!!:mrlooney::blink::)

I´d try another specimen.This probably is sick or is lacking something!

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

AJQ Proficient

AJQ

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Thanks for the info guys n girls. I have a large(ish ) one on order but was considering keeping it in it's pot. If it is going to get to the size of your one David they I may as well plant it sooner rather than later. that does seem a very chunky trunk on your one though. All the ones that I have seen, seem to have a lot thinner trunks than that. Is this a condition of climate?

Regards Andy.

Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

peachy Grand Master

peachy

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Andy mine has grown at least 10 cms in the last 3 years !! Which is quite fast in comparison to my baileyana which has grown 3 cm in 5 years.

Peachy, your C.alba has a problem for sure. It´s normally not slow like this!!:mrlooney::blink::)

I´d try another specimen.This probably is sick or is lacking something!

Yes I will try another specimen....Syagrus romanzoffiana :P

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Dear David :)

Nice visuals...:greenthumb: And also thanks for the information that they do not grow at all if grown in pots !

Thanks & Love,

kris :)

love conquers all..

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freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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Hi Andy,

I've noticed that mine grow fast and show great color when the temps at my place are in excess of 32c and tend to yellow and not look so great in my cool winters. They are small plants that have just gone pinnate.

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

edbrown_III Grand Master

edbrown_III

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Andy,

I have one thas about 12 feet tall --- probably planted in mid 90's--- . I grew it from seed so it probably was 3 years or so odl in a pot. (to 3 gallon )

Best regards

Ed

Davidl Mentor

Davidl

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My alba is about 10 ft now and is 7 yrs old. The picture of the smaller one in the pot is from 2005 and is only slightly bigger now. I think these palms like a more acid soil with plenty of water but not flooded. Ill try to show an updated pic of both

David

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Andy,

I've seen them growing here in costal Southern California and they look great. This climate does not get below freezing usually but does not usually experience temps anything above the 80's F even in the hottest time of the Summer.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

hanapalms Proficient

hanapalms

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I believe my Copernicias are screaming to go in the ground. I was of the thought that they would probably not have reached maturity in my lifetime. But, if they can get to the sizes I'm hearing in seven years or so, I could possibly see them in their glory. :) But now I have a ___t load of planting to do.

post-3769-12773423784474_thumb.jpg :huh: In this tangle you'll find: C. prunifera, C. alba, C. baileyana, C. berteroana plus a couple Coccothrinax crinita and maybe a surprise or two. :hmm:

William

Hana, Maui

 

Land of the low lying heavens, the misty Uakea crowning the majestic Kauwiki.

Visit my palms here

AJQ Proficient

AJQ

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Those spines look wicked!

That is good to know that they do OK in Sou Cal at those temps, sounds encouraging.

Regards Andy.

Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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I have a prunifera that just doesn't move in the pot. I was waiting for it to get bigger before planting but on reading here I think I'll just plonk it in the ground some place.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

iamjv Mentor

iamjv

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The 2 C. Alba's that I know of here in San Antonio (1 large & 1 small), both defoliated this past winter with a low of 16F. My small one is coming back. I still need to check on the larger one. Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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AJQ

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Wow! that's a lot colder than we get here for sure and yours is still coming back. Sounds encouraging.

Regards Andy.

Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

Tassie_Troy1971 Grand Master

Tassie_Troy1971

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How much heat does Copernicia alba really need to thrive or survive?

I know they are reasonably hardy to the cold but are they going to be painfully slow like Sabals in my part of the world?

Regards Andy.

Hi Andy

" painfully slow like Sabals in my part of the world? " I can definately relate to this statement - my sabal minor and sabal palmetto only do 1- 1.5 fronds a year and are unfortunately hardy worth while !

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

GTClover Rising Star

GTClover

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I was hoping to germinate some C. baileyana and fallaensis here in VT and bring them with me in my cooler to to Abaco, but I guess I'll just have to hope I can find some larger specimens down there or it my be only my grand kids (if I ever have any) who will get to see them I'd guess:(

Susan

cfkingfish Grand Master

cfkingfish

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From my experience....these palms grow like weeds with heat and moisture. They should grow up there for you, just slow. I would classify these plants as moderately fast.

Christian Faulkner

Venice, Florida - South Sarasota County.

www.faulknerspalms.com

 

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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My Copernicia alba . Photo from June/2/2009. I germinate this seeds from the southermost subtropical habitat in Argentina near Santa Fé(not from the brazilians in tropical Mato Grosso do sul)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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And the same palm this morning:

(It´s certainly not my slowest palm)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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I´m wondering if there is difference in hardinessand or heat requirements between the different provenances of C.alba.

My older and bigger C.alba´s came from Santa Fé in Argentina (yellow circle below) like I said above. I also have some younger plants from Corrientes in Argentina (other yellow circle.Same habitat as the big Butia yatay stands,but in wet niches) The northermost habitat is Mato Grosso do Sul in Brazil from were I haven´t any palm....(yellow circle above Paraguay)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Tala Rising Star

Tala

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some seem to be more colorful than others; around here we see green forms and very silver forms (maybe prunifera instead). IOnly way to really separate them is by tubular vs. no tubular flowers. Anyone know another way? Below is pic from May 2006 (bamboo has grown around it now, a bit difficult to photo but its still chugging along, prob. 5 or 6 ft higher. The wood fence is 6 ft high. It was planted from a 3g in '96. post-1730-12778646960605_thumb.jpg

more recent picpost-1730-12778648851382_thumb.jpg

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