Euterpe edulis (Orange Crownshaft)

[chris78]

Euterpe edulis Orange Crownshaft kind.... whats is it cold tolerance? are they any hardier then the regular Euterpe edulis??

[richnorm]

Euterpe edulis Orange Crownshaft kind.... whats is it cold tolerance? are they any hardier then the regular Euterpe edulis??

I have half of my year old seedlings sitting outside in the the winter weather. So far there is no damage at all which is a good start but not yet conclusive by any means. My in-ground E. edulis in full sun have started to discolour a little and get tatty from the wind about now but the one I have under canopy is spotless.

[peachy]

Chris I have Euterpe edulis sp orange crownshaft seedlings, germinated 6 or 7 months ago. They are outdoors in the carport and have gone through several near freezing and one below freezing nights with no casualties. I also have the regular E. edulis planted out in the garden, just under a metre in height and this is its second winter. Its fairly protected by other plants and very heavily mulched but it seems to take cold nights in its stride.

Peachy

[hanapalms]

Is Euterpe edulis the only species that has an orange crown?

[Bennz]

Chris I have Euterpe edulis sp orange crownshaft seedlings, germinated 6 or 7 months ago. They are outdoors in the carport and have gone through several near freezing and one below freezing nights with no casualties. I also have the regular E. edulis planted out in the garden, just under a metre in height and this is its second winter. Its fairly protected by other plants and very heavily mulched but it seems to take cold nights in its stride.

Peachy

Peachy,

A week or two back yu were complaining about how cold NZ is. I've only been below 5c once so far this season, despite being 12 degrees of latitude further south than you.

More seriously, this is a palm I'd like to try. Anyone got any opinions on cool tolerance compared to regular E. edulis? I had a couple of good edulis here, but they both meet early and unnatural deaths.

[Mike in Nelson]

Chris I have Euterpe edulis sp orange crownshaft seedlings, germinated 6 or 7 months ago. They are outdoors in the carport and have gone through several near freezing and one below freezing nights with no casualties. I also have the regular E. edulis planted out in the garden, just under a metre in height and this is its second winter. Its fairly protected by other plants and very heavily mulched but it seems to take cold nights in its stride.

Peachy

Peachy,

A week or two back yu were complaining about how cold NZ is. I've only been below 5c once so far this season, despite being 12 degrees of latitude further south than you.

More seriously, this is a palm I'd like to try. Anyone got any opinions on cool tolerance compared to regular E. edulis? I had a couple of good edulis here, but they both meet early and unnatural deaths.

Those damned heifers again was it Ben?

[Bennz]

Those damned heifers again was it Ben?

No Mike, one (ahem) spray drift damage in my pre-organic days, the other suffered from having a large Blackwood dropped onto it. I was SURE that tree would fall the other direction... Anyway, I got the chance to try eating them, very good. Very edulis.

[mcwolf]

Hi Ben,

I had one normal Euterpe in the garden from September-May and it didn't like it at all. Not sure what the problem was but it grow very solow and got very brown leave tips. I put it back in the green-house and hope for a second chance since it's my only one.

I guess the lack of heat and humidity might be what she seemed to miss.

Are there any ones growing in California or in southern parts of Australia?

Cheers,

Wolfgang

[PalmatierMeg]

Is it true then that E. edulis is significantly cold-hardier than E. oleracea and E. precatoria? I had a number of E.o. seedlings in the ground and 1 E.p. They were among the first palms wiped out by last winter. Somehow I still have a potted E.o. that never got planted and thus survived the cold when I kept it indoors. Now I'm afraid to plant it and have to decide whether to keep it containerized or pass it along to someone enamored with growing their own acai berries.

[Tyrone]

I have normal E edulis growing and about 70 E edulis orange crownshafts out in my shadehouse and they would have gone down to 3C in there and they're fine. But that's not real cold. I don't know how more cold tolerant they are compared to E edulis green form. I also have one E precatoria in my tunnel house and it's really cold sensitive. E oleracea is pointless for cool climates. It dies at 5C I found. However E edulis X oleracea is showing some promise at my place. The orange crownshaft form comes from a coolish part of Argentina, whereas regular edulis is Brazillian. Am I right there?

Best regards

Tyrone

[Alberto]

Is it true then that E. edulis is significantly cold-hardier than E. oleracea and E. precatoria? I had a number of E.o. seedlings in the ground and 1 E.p. They were among the first palms wiped out by last winter. Somehow I still have a potted E.o. that never got planted and thus survived the cold when I kept it indoors. Now I'm afraid to plant it and have to decide whether to keep it containerized or pass it along to someone enamored with growing their own acai berries.

I think that E.edulis must be cold hardier than the tropical (equatorial) E.oleracea and E.precatorea.

In the 15 years that I live at my place I tried twice planting E.edulis originated from the Atlantic forest near the sea of Paraná State and both died after some years after harder freezes. I see that they survive good in bigger cities around because of the heat island effect.

Once I found on a trip to Central Paraná ,E.edulis growing in Araucaria forest in the county of Reserva. I germinated a lot of this seeds that are growing in lot of gardens here from my region and in my Araucaria forest ,and I also sent some to folks around the world. (I offered the seeds to a seed dealer that wasn´t interested not understanding how unusual the provenance of this palms was.

If you didn´t read it,here is the trip...:

http://outdoors.webs...047705136IGLRJr

[Zeeth]

Is it true then that E. edulis is significantly cold-hardier than E. oleracea and E. precatoria? I had a number of E.o. seedlings in the ground and 1 E.p. They were among the first palms wiped out by last winter. Somehow I still have a potted E.o. that never got planted and thus survived the cold when I kept it indoors. Now I'm afraid to plant it and have to decide whether to keep it containerized or pass it along to someone enamored with growing their own acai berries.

I think that E.edulis must be cold hardier than the tropical (equatorial) E.oleracea and E.precatorea.

In the 15 years that I live at my place I tried twice planting E.edulis originated from the Atlantic forest near the sea of Paraná State and both died after some years after harder freezes. I see that they survive good in bigger cities around because of the heat island effect.

Once I found on a trip to Central Paraná ,E.edulis growing in Araucaria forest in the county of Reserva. I germinated a lot of this seeds that are growing in lot of gardens here from my region and in my Araucaria forest ,and I also sent some to folks around the world. (I offered the seeds to a seed dealer that wasn´t interested not understanding how unusual the provenance of this palms was.

If you didn´t read it,here is the trip...:

http://outdoors.webs...047705136IGLRJr

Very interesting Alberto. So you think this variety that you collected is hardier than the normal E. edulis? I know the chances of you going out to get seeds again probably aren't too good, seeing as you probably already collected your fill, but let me know if you do collect any more. I'd be interested in trying to grow this variety

[nomolos]

From what I have heard theses come from higher latitudes than regular Edulis so could well be more tolerant.

[peachy]

Meg I cant grow E.o here. They wither up and croak in winter. Edulis seems to cope fine however, as are the orange c/s. Went down to freezing last night and tonight might dip just below the 0 point.

Wolfi I think the cape might be too cold for them. I lost a couple of seedlings in the cold wind until I put them in a sheltered position.

William, there are quite a few species with orange crownshafts. Areca vestiara, Dypsis sp orange crush, Dypsis carlsmithii to name a few.

Alberto, some seed dealers need to grow a brain !! How silly of them to refuse seeds from a cool location that would have been very popular with people not in the tropics.

Peachy

[Geoff]

Euterpe edulis is by far the most cold hardy of the genus. Many other species have been tried in So Cal with not even a hint of success. But edulis, though often madeningly unpredictable (likes to croak without giving a reason why) grows pretty well for us. But I am completely unfamiliar with the orange crownshaft version of it.

This is an Euterpe edulis from So Cal

Here is another (now deceased) growing nearly as tall as this two story apartment, and leaning against a much larger queen palm

This is a shot of Pauleen's Euterpe catatinga in Hawaii... it is the only orange crownshafted Euterpe I am aware of

and a close up of that palm

[Alberto]

Is it true then that E. edulis is significantly cold-hardier than E. oleracea and E. precatoria? I had a number of E.o. seedlings in the ground and 1 E.p. They were among the first palms wiped out by last winter. Somehow I still have a potted E.o. that never got planted and thus survived the cold when I kept it indoors. Now I'm afraid to plant it and have to decide whether to keep it containerized or pass it along to someone enamored with growing their own acai berries.

I think that E.edulis must be cold hardier than the tropical (equatorial) E.oleracea and E.precatorea.

In the 15 years that I live at my place I tried twice planting E.edulis originated from the Atlantic forest near the sea of Paraná State and both died after some years after harder freezes. I see that they survive good in bigger cities around because of the heat island effect.

Once I found on a trip to Central Paraná ,E.edulis growing in Araucaria forest in the county of Reserva. I germinated a lot of this seeds that are growing in lot of gardens here from my region and in my Araucaria forest ,and I also sent some to folks around the world. (I offered the seeds to a seed dealer that wasn´t interested not understanding how unusual the provenance of this palms was.

If you didn´t read it,here is the trip...:

http://outdoors.webs...047705136IGLRJr

Very interesting Alberto. So you think this variety that you collected is hardier than the normal E. edulis? I know the chances of you going out to get seeds again probably aren't too good, seeing as you probably already collected your fill, but let me know if you do collect any more. I'd be interested in trying to grow this variety

Keith,living in Fl (10a), sunset zone 26., (don´t know what´´sunset zone 26´´ means)I think you can grow the regular E.edulis with ease. You only will need canopy for the young palms,acid soil and lots of moisture. They don´t need canopy when the fronds became mature, that is: with droopy leaflets.

I´ll see in future when they will be cold tested,if this araucaria forest strain from 850m altitude will survive the frosts better. I think and I HOPE so!

[richnorm]

Alberto, Should the leaflets droop on all older plants of edulis? All the ones I see here have flatly held leaves. My largest has maybe 1.5m of trunk but lamentably still no droop. Nice purple/black crownshaft though.

Anyone got any comments on the yellow crownshaft form ("E. espititosantensis")? I found germination poor on these compared to the orange and they seem a little fussier but not as difficult as the other species for us. They are stunningly beautiful when well grown.

cheers

Richard

[Alberto]

Alberto, Should the leaflets droop on all older plants of edulis? All the ones I see here have flatly held leaves. My largest has maybe 1.5m of trunk but lamentably still no droop. Nice purple/black crownshaft though.

Anyone got any comments on the yellow crownshaft form ("E. espititosantensis")? I found germination poor on these compared to the orange and they seem a little fussier but not as difficult as the other species for us. They are stunningly beautiful when well grown.

cheers

Richard

All the mature high trees of E.edulis that I saw in Paraná have droopy leaflets.

I remember now that the frost killed 3 E.espiritosantensis that I brought from Rio de Janeiro +- 10 years ago and that were planted below dense canopy.

[MattyB]

I know why Euterpe croaks: Pink Rot....everytime. Euterpe are magnets for Gliocladium blight.

[nomolos]

I know why Euterpe croaks: Pink Rot....everytime. Euterpe are magnets for Gliocladium blight.

Whats the best way to avoid it?

[cassowaryhill]

On 29/06/2010, 08:36:42, MattyB said:

I know why Euterpe croaks: Pink Rot....everytime. Euterpe are magnets for Gliocladium blight.

What do you recommend? :)

[Peter G]

Try spraying hydrogen peroxide into the bud area 

[Hammer]

16 hours ago, cassowaryhill said:

What do you recommend? :)

Do NOT remove old leaves by hand.  Let them fall off of their own accord.  Euterpe are a genus, like some others, that are extremely sensitive to damage and the opening of access to pink rot when old leaves are pulled off before they fall off.

[cassowaryhill]

On 29/06/2010, 08:36:42, MattyB said:

I know why Euterpe croaks: Pink Rot....everytime. Euterpe are magnets for Gliocladium blight.

What do you reco

 

6 hours ago, Hammer said:

Do NOT remove old leaves by hand.  Let them fall off of their own accord.  Euterpe are a genus, like some others, that are extremely sensitive to damage and the opening of access to pink rot when old leaves are pulled off before they fall off.

Could you Cut them off and seal it? I personally would leave them but just asking. 

[Hammer]

6 hours ago, cassowaryhill said:

What do you reco

 

Could you Cut them off and seal it? I personally would leave them but just asking. 

Great question.  I don't know.  Never tried it. Hopefully others can weigh in.

Btw, Dypsis psamophila are the same way. I learned the hard way.

[Kevin S]

 I never knew that pulling off a dead leaf could kill a palm  thank goodness now I know are usually always let the leaves die completely before I pull them off  now I know sometimes you have to let them fall off on their own.

[Hammer]

Not all palms are this way of course.  Only the really nice ones you can't possibly bear to lose. :)

[cassowaryhill]

4 hours ago, Hammer said:

Great question.  I don't know.  Never tried it. Hopefully others can weigh in.

Btw, Dypsis psamophila are the same way. I learned the hard way.

Thanks for that!! I really like D.psam...