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Chamaerops humilis

Ciczi in Sweden

By Ciczi in Sweden
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Ciczi in Sweden Rising Star

Ciczi in Sweden

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Hello all!

It has been a while since I last visited Palmtalk. I have had so much going on in my life. I have started my own gardening company - so now I am my own boss. :D It takes a lot of time to have your own company. But in Sweden it is not so unusual with sole proprietorship. My fiancé lost his job and got a new one in Munich, Germany 900 km south of Sweden. It has been a "rocky" spring.

My palms are doing ok. Sweden have had a very dry july and the authorities have issued a prohibition against watering in some parts of the country. We have had temperatures up to 34 degrees Celsius and thats not normal. Now it's back to 20-24 degrees Celsius which is more like a Swedish summer.

Here's a pic of my Chamaerops humilis. The white flowers planted around its foot is Agrostemma githago "Ocean Pearls".

Best wishes from Sweden

Ciczi

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Greetings from the southernmost Swedish town Trelleborg,

also known as the Palmcity.

USDA zone 7 with a good microclimate

Alex-v Collaborator

Alex-v

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hello Cizci

I think that is not a chamaerops humillis, I see in the picture I think this is a Trachycarpus

Ciczi in Sweden Rising Star

Ciczi in Sweden

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hello Cizci

I think that is not a chamaerops humillis, I see in the picture I think this is a Trachycarpus

Well. It's bougth as a Chamaerops humilis and it had a plantpassport that guarantees the species.

//Ciczi

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Greetings from the southernmost Swedish town Trelleborg,

also known as the Palmcity.

USDA zone 7 with a good microclimate

maesy Community Regular

maesy

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hello Cizci

I think that is not a chamaerops humillis, I see in the picture I think this is a Trachycarpus

Well. It's bougth as a Chamaerops humilis and it had a plantpassport that guarantees the species.

//Ciczi

Does it have thorny petioles? Then it probably is a chamaerops humilis. Otherwise I also would say trachycarpus fortunei.

Marcel

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bayside mike

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Hi Ciczi welcome back.

Congratulations on starting your own business and good luck :rolleyes:

Bayside Tree Farms is located in Homestead Florida USA
(305) 245-9544

Charles Wychgel Rising Star

Charles Wychgel

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Otherwise I also would say trachycarpus fortunei.

Trachycarpus fortunei is often sold under the label "Chamaerops excelsa"... :rolleyes:

Charles Wychgel

Algarve/Portugal

Sunset zone 24

Ciczi in Sweden Rising Star

Ciczi in Sweden

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hello Cizci

I think that is not a chamaerops humillis, I see in the picture I think this is a Trachycarpus

Well. It's bougth as a Chamaerops humilis and it had a plantpassport that guarantees the species.

//Ciczi

Does it have thorny petioles? Then it rnprobably is a chamaerops humilis. Otherwise I also would say trachycarpus fortunei.

Marcel

Thorny petioles. Check!

//Ciczi

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Greetings from the southernmost Swedish town Trelleborg,

also known as the Palmcity.

USDA zone 7 with a good microclimate

sergiskan Rising Star

sergiskan

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hello Cizci

I think that is not a chamaerops humillis, I see in the picture I think this is a Trachycarpus

hello Cizci...

beautiful palm...

i´m agree with Alex...

regards

Ciczi in Sweden Rising Star

Ciczi in Sweden

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Well thanks for all input but I'm being stubborn and sticks with my first opinion. It's a Chamaerops humilis. It has thorny petioles.

//Ciczi

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Greetings from the southernmost Swedish town Trelleborg,

also known as the Palmcity.

USDA zone 7 with a good microclimate

Rch65 Apprentice

Rch65

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It looks very different from my chammie's, whatever it is good luck. Regards Rich.

boko Enthusiast

boko

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Looks like a trachycarpus to me too, but to convince us maybe you can post an other picture from up close?

Peter

merrill Mentor

merrill

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Hi, Ciczi:

Chamaerops is one of the most variable genera extant. If this palm has thorny petioles, that seems to settle the question; Trachycarpus has no thorns in my experience. My vote is for Chamaerops.

Best Wishes,

merrill

merrill, North Central Florida

Palm crazy Grand Master

Palm crazy

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Hi, Ciczi:

The leaves don't look totally like a trachy, but Merrill is right if it has thorns on the stems it is not a trachy. I don't see any?

I still see (once is a while) trachys called chamaerops humilis. If you can take a picture of the trunk and stems that would be very helpful.

Trachys are much hardier anyways.

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Erik Collaborator

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The nurseries around here put any label on any palm. I asked once and was told, "well, we had a bunch of chinese fan palm labels so we put those on every palm until we ran out." So, basically, you have to be able to do your own i.d.

This forum can help us who are just learning. Post photos and the experts will help!

As for palms, I actually like Chamaerops humilis better in my climate. It loves the heat! --Erik

Terdal Farm, Sarasota FL & Tillamook OR USA

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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The nurseries around here put any label on any palm. I asked once and was told, "well, we had a bunch of chinese fan palm labels so we put those on every palm until we ran out." So, basically, you have to be able to do your own i.d.

This forum can help us who are just learning. Post photos and the experts will help!

As for palms, I actually like Chamaerops humilis better in my climate. It loves the heat! --Erik

:lol: The first Coccothrinax barbadensis I bought a long time ago at a small local nursery had a tag "Japanese fan palm"... :hmm: Googled for similar pictures and... hit Palmtalk ! ...then Riffle nailed the Caribbean background of my ex-oriental beauty and also the Curculigo's, I had purchased as a nice "shade palm"... :winkie:

Ciczi, good luck with the new business. Chamaerops look very different according to climatic conditions, sun exposure, fertilizing and soil issues. I bought a couple nice ones a few years ago. One went to the ground in the open and the other one was kept in the shade behind the house in a big pot container. Now they're looking totalllly different...you wouldn't tell they're the same species...much less former twins...

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Hej Ciczi,

Välkommen tillbaka! :) That doesn't look like a Chamaerops to me, but then again, I'm definitely no expert on Chamaerops! I actually have one in the ground here, and it's been doing OK for the last ten years or so, but it looks completely different. And I had a second one, but it decided to die. Maybe it didn't like all the rain! :huh: And best of luck with your business!

Bo-Göran

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

Jonathan Grand Master

Jonathan

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It almost looks like a very stretched Livistona australis!?!?

If it has thorny petioles...deeply divided leaves....drooping leaf tips....

Cheers,

Jonathan

South Arm, Tasmania, Australia - 42° South

Mild oceanic climate, with coastal exposure.

 

Summer: 12°C (53°F) average min, to 21°C (70°F) average daily max. Up to 40°C (104°F max) rarely.

 

Winter: 6°C (43°F) average min, to 13°C (55°F) average daily max. Down to 0°C (32°F) occasionally, some light frost.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I'm just happy to see you posting!

Best of luck in your new endeavor!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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