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Butyagrus eriospatha

Nigel

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I thought I would post an interesting story for Butyagrus lovers... Merrill should love this.

I was in the mountains over the last couple of days and stayed at a very good nursery friends house. Last year he bought a Butyagrus, it was an ugly horrible yellow thing then , it has been transplanted to his nursery and is still an ugly yellow thing. Apparently it was growing together with Butia eriosptha and has always been yellow.

I find it a very odd Butyagrus. The trunk and boots arrangemnt, being tightly packed remind of Butia, but it is without a doubt Butyagrus. I have in my mind it could be an F2.

( First and second pics )

I remember a similar plant at the beach with those tightly packed leaf baes being more Butia like and that plant also suffered chlorosis. ( third pic )

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Nigel Mentor

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Now this is where it gets more curious......... my friend invited me to the nursery area and pointed to some seedlings... what are these he said .... I replied Jeriva ( name for queen palm in Brasil ).

He said no no no they are Butyagrus. I looked again closely, the leaves seem to be too short and wide for regular queens , the texture varied from normal dull queen texture to shiny glossy green. Some had distinct ribs, yet not one looked like any regular F1 Butyagrus seedling either.

I asked where he got them, and he told me when he dug up the big Butygrus there was lots of seeds on the ground beneath it with many seedlings !!!!!

So question is can these be F2 Butygrusxqueens because I cant see they are Butygrus backcrossed with Butias. Does anybody think that the parent could already be an F2 explaining why it can make seeds ??

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Mark Heath Veteran

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Very interesting Nigel! That is something that i never heard of for sure.

I too, await Merrills' thoughts on this.

Orlando, Florida

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Nigel Mentor

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Very interesting Nigel! That is something that i never heard of for sure.

I too, await Merrills' thoughts on this.

Mark, do you think the seedling photo looks like a queen seedling or do you also think its a litte different ?

Imagine a backcross butyagrus with queen with plumose leaves....

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Mark Heath Veteran

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Nigel,

It's hard to say but it looks like a XButyagrus backcrossed w/ Queen. The fronds would be longer if it was a pure Queen. Tell me, were the fronds thicker than a typical Queen??

I have backcrossed one of my XButyagrus' w/ Queen pollen and i will update my thread that i started on that subject. I just harvested seeds and i will crack one open before i sowe the rest.

I hope you got your hands on one of those seedlings in the pic! That is a rare find!

Orlando, Florida

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The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

Nigel Mentor

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Hi Marc, the leaves were variable from plant to plant, some had texture of queen others more stiff and shiny.

Yes I have a plant !!

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Mark Heath Veteran

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I am glad that you got one of those! How close was the nearest Queen to the XButyagryus, did you ask your friend?

I imagine that fully grown your little palm will look like this plumose XButyagrus.

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Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

Nigel Mentor

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Mark, that plant is stunning.

Everybody in the UK wants a queen palm , but they dont hold leaves in winter and are slowww.

If I can produce a plumose queen lookalike that will grow there...... wowwwwww. Maybe 25% Butia and 75% queen will do the bizz.

My nursery friend has planted a grove of those huge fat trunked Santa Catarina mountain queens right next to this Butyagrus so I have high hopes.

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Tampa Scott Mentor

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Here is a pic of a cross I did of S.rom.X Butyagrus. I hope for a really plumose leaf.

Nigel Mentor

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Here is a pic of a cross I did of S.rom.X Butyagrus. I hope for a really plumose leaf.

Wow, Scott that plant seems to still retain quite a lot of Butia in it, its an absolute beauty.

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Last week a group of us from N. Calif. made a quick trip down to S. Calif. where we visited the beautiful hill top gardens of Matt Crowther and Gary Levine's. I don't know how to move photos around, but Gary has a hybrid that he has described and shown on Palmtalk before. This particular palm came from seeds from the giant Butyagrus growing at Huntington Gardens. The palm is unusual in several respects as not only is it huge, very upright, but it also has viable pollen. I suspect it is an F2 hybrid. It holds many, many upright fronds and they are tightly packed which makes it difficult to collect pollen or get to the flowers. The base of the trunk is huge. Gary said it bloomed for the first time last year and he managed to get some pollen which he sent to Patrick Schafer. Patrick used the pollen on one of my Jubaeas and got an excellent seed set. He may have also crossed it with Syagrus, but I'm not sure. The resulting hybrids from this cross should be very interesting. Gary's hybrid is a one of a kind and quite beautiful.

Later we visited Huntington Gardens and saw the giant Butyagrus. It is in very poor shape and is being crowded out by other large trees. There were only about 10 old seeds under the tree.

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Tampa Scott Mentor

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Here is a pic of a cross I did of S.rom.X Butyagrus. I hope for a really plumose leaf.

Wow, Scott that plant seems to still retain quite a lot of Butia in it, its an absolute beauty.

Nigel, I agree they stll have a lot of the Butia in the looks. Here are 2 more from the same cross. Of the 3 I have kept to grow, all 3 look diffrent.

Tampa Scott Mentor

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also have a couple of ButiaXButyagrus...

Nigel Mentor

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also have a couple of ButiaXButyagrus...

Interesting....... that BXButyagrus is exquisite

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also have a couple of ButiaXButyagrus...

Interesting....... that BXButyagrus is exquisite

Here is a photo of one of my Butia X Syagrus X Syagrus.

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Hello, Gentlemen:

Charlie Raulerson, Ted Waas III, and I worked on [butiaXQueen]xQueen many, many years ago. These hybrids were plumose, which is unusual amongst these ButiaXQueen hybrids. We would expect these recent [butiaXQueen]Xqueen to also develop as plumose in the very near future. We'd certainly like to see these as they develop!

Many Thanks,

merrill

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How are you guys listing the names in the backcross palms? (I thought the mother x father) If a cross is made using Butyagrus pollen on Syagrus the name would follow as Syagrus x (Butia x Syagrus). The cross I made of Butia (seed producing) X Butagrus (pollen donor), (I call Bubutagrus) is listed as BxBxS right?

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