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Palms I would never plant!

Mandrew968

By Mandrew968
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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Isn't this really about order of preference ? You then work from last to first, what is the last one or two palms you would plant ?

Never say never, they say.

After a few beers those Phoenix roebelinii start looking pretty hot.

Well . . .

The robelliniis all get prettier at closin' time . . .

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nomolos Mentor

nomolos

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Isn't this really about order of preference ? You then work from last to first, what is the last one or two palms you would plant ?

Never say never, they say.

After a few beers those Phoenix roebelinii start looking pretty hot.

Well . . .

The robelliniis all get prettier at closin' time . . .

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...THey all start to look like Mauritius palms

Sol Cooper

Hobart Tasmania

42 degrees South

Mild climate - mostly frost free

mjff Mentor

mjff

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I'm not partial to palms with brown dead fronds, which unfortunately describes most of the palms in my yard at the moment. :(

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

Bill Schmidt Enthusiast

Bill Schmidt

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No more of these for me. Twice the space and it seems like they use double the fertilizer.

Bill

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freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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I would never plant palms that either have no chance of survival or are too marginal for my area...... again :blink:

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

WestCoastGal Grand Master

WestCoastGal

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Bill those palms are gorgeous and healthy looking. Wish they would grow in my area.

I am just starting my landscaping with palms and despite my love of palms zoned for areas outside of my growing zone, have pretty much decided not push my zone and risk really brown landscaping. The other type of palms I am reluctant to plant would be spiny ones or those with a very large footprint or more than 2-story height. Our yard is small and my planting beds aren't very large so I'm not able to give much room to them. I do have a corner planting bed with some space set aside for a needle palm that I am seriously thinking of adding however. Figure the spines on the trunk won't be encountered often by anyone (and I understand the spines can be cut down) besides I do like the fronds on them.

Zone 9b (formerly listed as Zone 9a); Sunset 14

Jonathan Veteran

Jonathan

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Yawn...have we got this off our chests for another year?

I think Tyrone summed it up nicely.

South Arm, Tasmania, Australia - 42° South

Mild oceanic climate, with coastal exposure.

 

Summer: 12°C (53°F) average min, to 21°C (70°F) average daily max. Up to 40°C (104°F max) rarely.

 

Winter: 6°C (43°F) average min, to 13°C (55°F) average daily max. Down to 0°C (32°F) occasionally, some light frost.

velutina Community Regular

velutina

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Yawn...have we got this off our chests for another year?

I think Tyrone summed it up nicely.

:lol: It always makes me sad because the "palm snobs" say the palms I'm growing are not good enough. There isn't much I can grow here and I grow what I can. I agree that Tyrone said it best :D

I grow Washingtonia, Butia, Brahea, Phoenix, Syagrus, Chamaerops, and Livistona. It's kind of sad, but I can grow all the palms that will grow WELL here on a very small plot of land.

Adam 

 

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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Chamaedorea plumosa and Dypsis plumosa. Skinny, scrawny palms with sparse plumose fronds just don't do it for me.

Actually I don't find small undergrowth palms to be very appealing either. Those fuzzy little dypsis and bifid chamaedoras I would only plant after my yard was 100% canopized.

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

Gonzer Grand Master

Gonzer

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Chamaedorea plumosa and Dypsis plumosa. Skinny, scrawny palms with sparse plumose fronds just don't do it for me.

Actually I don't find small undergrowth palms to be very appealing either. Those fuzzy little dypsis and bifid chamaedoras I would only plant after my yard was 100% canopized.

Heathen!

 

 

Peter Pacific Mentor

Peter Pacific

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Everything is relative as someone said in a previous post. I have five queens that are so beautiful in my Guatemalan garden that I would never get rid of them, but, I would never plant them in Florida. Some of the more common palms I planted when I was just getting started and I would not take them out either. As for D. lutescens...I have six large specimens that are just incredible. My Washingtonias are great, filifera and robusta, so I am enjoying watching them grow, maybe I´ll have another opinion when they start seeding. I guess I just love palms...palmate, pinnate, spiny or not, rare, common...I´m sick, very, very sick. Peter

Peter

hot and humid, short rainy season May through October, 14* latitude, 90* longitude

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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Queen palms are the devil incarnate.

Pretty much 95 % of what is sold in Home Depot.

In Miami, 90 % of the palms out there are all the same. The same Veitchias, the same Christmas palms blah blah blah......

We have ALOT of Livistona Chinensis out here as well.........

Manny

--This guy knows what he's talkin about! Amen.

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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For me definately no Dypsis lutescens (and very few other Dypsis for that matter), Archontophoenix, Phoenix, Syagrus, Washingtonia, Livistona chinensis, Ravenea rivularis, Wodyetia bifurcata (too common, much prefer Normandya normandyi) but gimme one of those Butter Palmettos :drool:

What the heck is the difference between a foxtail and a normanbya normanbyi?! I have seen the black palm grown, and it just looks like a weak foxtail...

sarasota alex Veteran

sarasota alex

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No matter how over-planted they are, queen palms are beautiful if they are not over-pruned or neglected.

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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"Queens are beautiful"?! I teach ESE children and they are beautiful, but I wouldn't want one! This is the only way I can justify the last post.

sarasota alex Veteran

sarasota alex

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I have 2 queens that came with the house. I'm not getting rid of them. There are some really tall ones here in Sarasota. When they cut down some of them, I get sad. It would be one of the most commonly planted palms in the world if it were ugly, right?

Pez Enthusiast

Pez

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"Queens are beautiful"?! I teach ESE children and they are beautiful, but I wouldn't want one! This is the only way I can justify the last post.

Are you serious? You should be careful, you could probably get fired for a comment like that.

Zayin Community Regular

Zayin

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I live in South western Canada and we have discovered that even in the warmest parts its a struggle to grow even the most cold hardy palm. I would love to be able to grow any of the palms that were mentioned in the previous quotes outside. Palms - any palm really can add such a tropical flair to an otherwise drab landscape. I cannot add to the list :)

Jody

Chilliwack British Columbia

Zone 8/9 until 3 years ago. Now Zone 6b.

Don't even get me started.

Palmlover Proficient

Palmlover

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One Man's trash is another Man's treasure! What is common here is sought after in other areas.

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Palmlover

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No more of these for me. Twice the space and it seems like they use double the fertilizer.

Bill

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That's an awesome looking palm!

Ryland Proficient

Ryland

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Probably one of the last palms I would opt to purchase and plant is Syagrus romanzoffiana, but if I had a LARGE property, and some leftover spaces, and there were cheap ones available, I'd probably still go for it anyway.

I'm not particularly fond of Serenoa repens either, but in a cold climate I might try it as well. It definitely depends on climate and space availability. Now, if I were extremely rich or famous, and had burglary attempts on me daily, I would take a few hundred Serenoa repens and completely surround my property in a hedge of them. That would keep 'em out, mostly.

Manchester, Lancashire, England

53.4ºN, 2.2ºW, 65m AMSL

Köppen climate Cfb | USDA hardiness zone 9a

AggiePalms Rising Star

AggiePalms

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I guess I could be a palm snob...if I could choose from hundreds of species that would do well. As a couple of people said "coconuts are just too common around here, I would never plant one." As I live where there is likely not a healthy coconut for 300 miles south of me, I can't have that level of snobbery. There are only a couple of dozen species that will handle my temperature/rainfall pattern, and those are from only a few hardy genera. Several are natives or closely related to natives (the Sabal complex), so the realm of adaptable species from other areas is quite low. I am slowly but surely planting all of them. If a coconut (or pick your favorite tropical species) would grow here, I would be the first to plant several. However, I am just very happy that my largest Syagrus ro. managed to barely survive the winter; most here did not. It may be a common weed in warmer areas, but it is as tropical a palm as I can grow. No snobberty permitted here; I will plant any palm that has a chance of surviving. Moncarpic or not, spiny or not, tall, wide, skinny, I don't care. It is easier to have a perfect garden if you can professionally choose the perfect palm for each carefully preplanned space in the garden; not so easy here.

Gig 'Em Ags!

 

David '88

nkbish Rising Star

nkbish

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my syagrus romanzoffianas sure look perfect in the winter compared to my wodyetias, common yet look better than something with burnt brown fonds. I pulled some old leaf bases off today and the new growth has a nice deep purple to it. I still will not plant another one they sure are messy.

Northern San Diego County, Inland

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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"Queens are beautiful"?! I teach ESE children and they are beautiful, but I wouldn't want one! This is the only way I can justify the last post.

Are you serious? You should be careful, you could probably get fired for a comment like that.

Fired for what? Saying that ESE kids(and for that matter, all children are beautiful)? Or for saying that I would prefer my child be healthy and smart, and not have to deal with any unfortunate disabilities? I am sorry if I offended you, but I just really don't see how... :hmm:

sonoranfans Grand Master

sonoranfans

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"Queens are beautiful"?! I teach ESE children and they are beautiful, but I wouldn't want one! This is the only way I can justify the last post.

Are you serious? You should be careful, you could probably get fired for a comment like that.

Fired for what? Saying that ESE kids(and for that matter, all children are beautiful)? Or for saying that I would prefer my child be healthy and smart, and not have to deal with any unfortunate disabilities? I am sorry if I offended you, but I just really don't see how... :hmm:

The comparison of queens that you so detest to ESE children was perhaps not terribly wise. :blink: In the context of the discussion, where you have also concurred that the queens are the "devil incarnate" it just doesnt sound appropriate. I am not offended, but I dont have an ESE child... :(

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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That post I made was only pertaining to the last, and not this entire thread--I actually had to read all this again to see if I am really that evil sounding! Somewhere in this, the fact that I love and have a child has been lost! I never said anything about a devil and wouldn't in talking about any plant or any child--someone else did and I thought it was funny--but I bet he didn't even mean that queens have anything to do with the devil. OMG!! lighten up people; I don't burn ants with magnifying glasses. If I had a handicapped child, I would love them and protect them with my own life. A queen palm on the other hand--that's a different matter all together and I do request an acceptance of my appology for curtly linking the two, however brief it may have been.

Pez Enthusiast

Pez

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"Queens are beautiful"?! I teach ESE children and they are beautiful, but I wouldn't want one! This is the only way I can justify the last post.

Are you serious? You should be careful, you could probably get fired for a comment like that.

Fired for what? Saying that ESE kids(and for that matter, all children are beautiful)? Or for saying that I would prefer my child be healthy and smart, and not have to deal with any unfortunate disabilities? I am sorry if I offended you, but I just really don't see how... :hmm:

I did not want to get into it because it's not palm related, and I do not want to get your wonderful thread deleted. But as someone who has a close relative with special needs, I found it very distasteful and inappropriate. Especially if you really are, as stated above, a teacher of special needs children. "I wouldn't want one" does not sound like you are referring to a human being.

As far as queens go, I wouldn't plant one either. I am lucky enough to live somewhere where I can grow other palms. There are a lot of people on this forum that are not as lucky as myself, or you especially, and queens are not such a bad option for them. I think the first thing you need in any garden outside of Hilo Hawaii, is canopy. I've planted various Archontophoenix, Roystonia, Caryota, bamboo, Euchalyptus deglupta, etc... just to get some protection from Florida's blazing summer sun. I had to kill numerous palms before realizing the value of canopy. In a cooler climate, queens can provide it rather quickly.

Tropicgardener Mentor

Tropicgardener

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For me definately no Dypsis lutescens (and very few other Dypsis for that matter), Archontophoenix, Phoenix, Syagrus, Washingtonia, Livistona chinensis, Ravenea rivularis, Wodyetia bifurcata (too common, much prefer Normandya normandyi) but gimme one of those Butter Palmettos :drool:

What the heck is the difference between a foxtail and a normanbya normanbyi?! I have seen the black palm grown, and it just looks like a weak foxtail...

Actually there is a lot of difference........To me a well grown Black Palm looks so much better than a foxtail. If you ever get the chance to see Black Palms in their native habitat around the Daintree area do it, cause they are absolutely stunning!

Andrew,
Airlie Beach, Whitsundays

Tropical Queensland

ariscott Grand Master

ariscott

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Thanks for replying for me, Andrew.

Black palms are beautiful!!! Nothing weak about them... Maybe in your garden???

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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Maybe the black palm looks good in its native haunts, but in South Florida, it's a tough grow--foxtails here get iron problems, but if you address that, they look like baby royals. the black palm looks like a skinny foxtail, here, and I have a hard time being able to tell the difference(I see a weak foxtail and wonder if that's nomanbya?) but the black palm is very rare here. I don't grow either--but if a collector has a small looking foxtail, it's usually a black palm here. do they get fat where you are, ariscott?

sarasota alex Veteran

sarasota alex

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"Queens are beautiful"?! I teach ESE children and they are beautiful, but I wouldn't want one! This is the only way I can justify the last post.

Are you serious? You should be careful, you could probably get fired for a comment like that.

Fired for what? Saying that ESE kids(and for that matter, all children are beautiful)? Or for saying that I would prefer my child be healthy and smart, and not have to deal with any unfortunate disabilities? I am sorry if I offended you, but I just really don't see how... :hmm:

I did not want to get into it because it's not palm related, and I do not want to get your wonderful thread deleted. But as someone who has a close relative with special needs, I found it very distasteful and inappropriate. Especially if you really are, as stated above, a teacher of special needs children. "I wouldn't want one" does not sound like you are referring to a human being.

As far as queens go, I wouldn't plant one either. I am lucky enough to live somewhere where I can grow other palms. There are a lot of people on this forum that are not as lucky as myself, or you especially, and queens are not such a bad option for them. I think the first thing you need in any garden outside of Hilo Hawaii, is canopy. I've planted various Archontophoenix, Roystonia, Caryota, bamboo, Euchalyptus deglupta, etc... just to get some protection from Florida's blazing summer sun. I had to kill numerous palms before realizing the value of canopy. In a cooler climate, queens can provide it rather quickly.

Personally, I would not miss this thread if it got deleted. It's giving me a bad vibe. Just so much negativity, both related and unrelated to palms. Maybe it's just me

Alan_Tampa Mentor

Alan_Tampa

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The more spines the better.

Queens are boring, L. chinesis abound here, why bother?

But I am a fool, and plant any thing that strikes my fancy. Tender, hardy, whatever. Got away with some really tropical stuff for a long time, maybe next time as long or longer. Why miss the next string of good winters? Never know when they start so plant away.

Alan

Tampa, Florida

Zone - 10a

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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"Queens are beautiful"?! I teach ESE children and they are beautiful, but I wouldn't want one! This is the only way I can justify the last post.

Are you kidding? Unbelievable.....

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

OB Burt Community Regular

OB Burt

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To get off the last thread, Phoenix Canaerisis SP? Too big, too disease prone. great for large entryways, but for the average garden, too easy, tool large too spiny.

burt repine

Tropicgardener Mentor

Tropicgardener

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Maybe the black palm looks good in its native haunts, but in South Florida, it's a tough grow--foxtails here get iron problems, but if you address that, they look like baby royals. the black palm looks like a skinny foxtail, here, and I have a hard time being able to tell the difference(I see a weak foxtail and wonder if that's nomanbya?) but the black palm is very rare here. I don't grow either--but if a collector has a small looking foxtail, it's usually a black palm here. do they get fat where you are, ariscott?

No, Blacks don't ever get a bulbous trunk like Foxtails do, it is generally a straight and slim trunk. They look very distinquished with their dark green leaves contrasting with the glaucous silvery underleaf colour. I read somewhere that they don't like the soil conditions of southern Florida and when introduced where generally a failure....once the Foxtail came on the scene it filled the gap. Blacks are also less cold tolerant than Foxtails so that limits their use.

Andrew,
Airlie Beach, Whitsundays

Tropical Queensland

Pez Enthusiast

Pez

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What species of Metroxylon is that in the photo? It's so skinny, it looks like a syagrus amara...

Seeing as how my 2 Metroxylon are dead and almost every other one I'm aware of (in Florida) is dead (after these last 2 wonderful winters), I think this pair looks pretty darn good. I"m impressed anyways.

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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You sure there isn't at least one still alive in Pinecrest Gardens?

Bill Schmidt Enthusiast

Bill Schmidt

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No more of these for me. Twice the space and it seems like they use double the fertilizer.

Bill

5459872178_5313eab45c.jpg

100_0486 by schmidt_we, on Flickr

That's an awesome looking palm!

Thanks Palmlover and WestCoastGal. I must confess that this was posted as a joke

and that I would happily grow this/these guys. I was surprised that not too many folks

noticed this one, maybe it's a more common site than I am used to. It almost made be

wreck my car when driving past!

Bill (proud grower of queens, arecas, manilas, washies, coconuts, foxtails, royals, triangles, kings, capenterias, and lipsticks)

PS - (oh yeah, spindles too)

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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No more of these for me. Twice the space and it seems like they use double the fertilizer.

Bill

5459872178_5313eab45c.jpg

100_0486 by schmidt_we, on Flickr

That's an awesome looking palm!

Thanks Palmlover and WestCoastGal. I must confess that this was posted as a joke

and that I would happily grow this/these guys. I was surprised that not too many folks

noticed this one, maybe it's a more common site than I am used to. It almost made be

wreck my car when driving past!

Bill (proud grower of queens, arecas, manilas, washies, coconuts, foxtails, royals, triangles, kings, capenterias, and lipsticks)

PS - (oh yeah, spindles too)

There is a Walgreens by my house that almost every ptychosperma elegans is a double or triple head(maybe two or three have four heads).

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