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Jubaea Chilensis comparison

Rafael

By Rafael
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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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The first one looks like it has some Butia mixed in there....

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Rafael Grand Master

Rafael

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Thnkx Bill, i was wondering exactly about a possible butia cross.

This nursery has maybe 20 of these palms, i picked two and did not notice this before arriving home.

Now, as i am thinking about purchasing another one, i am wondering if there might be some other mules... :drool:

Furadouro and Ovar, zone 9b/10a.
PORTUGAL
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20668
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/31527-my-new-garden-ovar-january2012/

The Silent Seed Grand Master

The Silent Seed

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To my untrained eye, they look the same, with slight environmental difference :)

Lucky you, to be able to just pick these up!

May I ask how much they are?

Jude

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Santoury has it. They are both pure Jubaea, but the first one was grown in less light.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Santoury has it. They are both pure Jubaea, but the first one was grown in less light.

Says you. :P

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

The Silent Seed Grand Master

The Silent Seed

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Sure I would. Unless if you want to analyze every grain of dirt in each pot, and the exact amount of water each plant got for 4 years :) It may, after all, even be genetic variation. Just because two plants are under the same condition doesn't mean they will be carbon copies of each other.

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insipidtoast Collaborator

insipidtoast

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Thnkx Bill, i was wondering exactly about a possible butia cross.

This nursery has maybe 20 of these palms, i picked two and did not notice this before arriving home.

Now, as i am thinking about purchasing another one, i am wondering if there might be some other mules... :drool:

So, do palmies prefer hybridization? Most palms open pollinate anyway right? Just like Mesquite trees.

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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The palm can just be around more plants and it'll stretch to compete. Also green houses have bright and dark spots too.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Raf:

How about a close-up of the bases of the two plants? And the leaves?

They look awful fine-leafed for Jubes to me, but . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Nigel Mentor

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I also think they are both Jubaeas. It does seem that one has grown with less light, and even in the same greenhouse this is possible if one is next to a large palm or a wall or something.

I dont see anything there to suggest hybridisation other than the stretched leaf which alone is too easily explained by other factors.

Resident in Bristol UK.

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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Joo-bee-doo-bee-doo

They look like Joo-bay-ahhs

La la la la ya ya ya

etc

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Phoenikakias Grand Master

Phoenikakias

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Rafael,

has your presumed jubaea hybrid more tender to the wind leaflets? Your answer would of great interest to me, because it happens to have the same case with two jubaea young plants growing outdoors next to each other for many years and so there is not the least possibility of different horticultural conditions (I will post pics asap).

Jason Baker Portugal Collaborator

Jason Baker Portugal

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Rafael, the other day some friends in Águeda asked me if coconut palms grew it that area. They said that there were some palms growing in a central park there that had small, tasty coconuts. Of course I went there as soon as I could thinking they were Parajubeas (rom the street outside the park the leaves looked like Parajubea cocoides),but they were not. They are Jubeas and huge ones at that. There are zillions of small ones growing around them. Check them our. I think the park is called Vila Velha or something like that. The palms are on the south side of the park. Have fun looking for them. Cheers Jason

Jason Baker

Central coastal Portugal

Zone 10a, 1300mm rain

warm-temperate, oceanic climate

looking for that exotic tropical island look

Rafael Grand Master

Rafael

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Rafael,

has your presumed jubaea hybrid more tender to the wind leaflets? Your answer would of great interest to me, because it happens to have the same case with two jubaea young plants growing outdoors next to each other for many years and so there is not the least possibility of different horticultural conditions (I will post pics asap).

No doubt about that. In a couple of days it will be planted and i will post it.

Rafael, the other day some friends in Águeda asked me if coconut palms grew it that area. They said that there were some palms growing in a central park there that had small, tasty coconuts. Of course I went there as soon as I could thinking they were Parajubeas (rom the street outside the park the leaves looked like Parajubea cocoides),but they were not. They are Jubeas and huge ones at that. There are zillions of small ones growing around them. Check them our. I think the park is called Vila Velha or something like that. The palms are on the south side of the park. Have fun looking for them. Cheers Jason

Wow Jason, thanks, i must check it asap!

Furadouro and Ovar, zone 9b/10a.
PORTUGAL
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20668
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/31527-my-new-garden-ovar-january2012/

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