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Possible Jubaea hybrid

MattyB

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Paul was nice enough to give me this palm a few years ago. It was just going pinnate and had rooted out a 3 gallon pot so I planted it out in an exposed spot. He was told it was a Jubaea by the person who gave it to him, but now I'm having my doubts. First of all, it's freakin' fast! And it's showing a blue hue. It's leaves are held in a slight 'V' too. It's definitely not a Butia, as soon as you feel the extremely stiff leaves you can feel that. But it just doesn't feel like a pure Jubaea either. I know Jubaea are variable so is this just a variant or a possible Jubaea X Butia hybrid? Here's some pics. Lemme know what you think.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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What is it?

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Justin Veteran

Justin

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It looks like a Jubaea to me. I have a number that size, and they all look more or less like yours.

Just be happy it's fast.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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I've gotta get a pic of my brother's. He got his from Gary and it's glossy green, with flat leaves. It looks different than mine.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Nigel Mentor

Nigel

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You jammy git.... without a doubt a Jubaeaxbutia

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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I've got a Jube/Bute hybrid (two) and they're both blue-gray, and slower than Congress in a dither.

Certainly not your plant.

That said, yours does look hybridy. Do the leafbases resember Butes? If they do, it could well be a hybrid.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I'm with Nigel on this one..

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Nigel Mentor

Nigel

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JubaeaxButia is quite different looking from ButiaxJubaea and easily confused.

The you get F2,s which vary even more. Dave this explains your differences I believe.

An F1 JxB is quite a rare thing and the ultimate in the Jubaea and Butia mixes of hybridisation.

This palm cannot be a pure Jubaea because of the recurved leaf and V-shape to the leaves. Also the leaves are in my opinion longer and leaflets finer as well as excess fibre on the trunk in such a small palm.

I am 100% sure Matt hit the jackpot.

Resident in Bristol UK.

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Here's some updated pics after about 7 months of growth. This has got to be a Jubaea x Butia right? This thing is growing fast! What do you think? Anyone still think this might be just a straight Jubaea?

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

richnorm Grand Master

richnorm

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Very hybrid looking and behaving, lucky score!

cheers

Richard

gyuseppe Veteran

gyuseppe

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Here's some updated pics after about 7 months of growth. This has got to be a Jubaea x Butia right? This thing is growing fast! What do you think? Anyone still think this might be just a straight Jubaea?

growth seems to be fast for a pure Jubaea

GIUSEPPE

trioderob Grand Master

trioderob

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dont look like "X" to me.

Dr Darian has one that size and it does not look like that at all.

see what Gary thinks as he is a guru on them at that size........

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paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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i want it back! :angry:

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

tank Grand Master

tank

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My plant bought as a butia x jubaea F1, about the same size as the one pictured.

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Jason

Gainesville, Florida

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Here's my same palm exactly 2 years ago. Jubaea doesn't grow this fast does it?

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

trioderob Grand Master

trioderob

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if yours is a "x" then what does darian have ?

his potted jub is much lighter blue/grey color

could he have a true freak jub and not a "X" ?

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Jubaea Rising Star

Jubaea

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Either way you have a really nice palm there. All of my Jubaeas are small seedlings. I only hope that they will pick up some speed like yours certainly has.

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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He was told it was a Jubaea by the person who gave it to him, but now I'm having my doubts

If it was grown from a Jubaea seed it certainly is a Jubeutia splendens!!!smilie.gif

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

iamjv Mentor

iamjv

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Good looking hybrid !!!!

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

TimHopper Proficient

TimHopper

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It sure looks like JxB to me with recurve and V also leaf bases. Tim

Tim Hopper

St Augustine Florida

timhoppers@gmail.com

Jastin Veteran

Jastin

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i want it back! :angry:

Got anymore you want to give away? drool.gif I'm hoping the one you gave me will turn out to be a super duper X.

Grateful to have what I have, Les amis de mes amis sont mes amis!

Phil Veteran

Phil

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MattyB,

I agree with Nigel. It's not typical of a pure Jubaea because the leaves are keeled and recurved. I'll show a few nursery plants to demonstrate this.

1. Jubaea X Butia, F2. Note the keeled leaves of this 7g plant and note they are recurved downwards.

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2. Jubaaea chilensis. Note the flat leaves (not V-shaped in cross section) and essentially no recurve downwards.

Phil

Jungle Music

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Jungle Music Palms and Cycads, established 1977 and located in Encinitas, CA, 20 miles north of San Diego on the Coast.  Phone:  619 2914605 Link to Phil's Email phil.bergman@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net Link to Jungle Music Palms and Cycads

Nigel Mentor

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Phil that is one of the most beautifully grown Jubaeas I have ever seen.

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Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

Brad Mondel Grand Master

Brad Mondel

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That looks like a hybrid.

Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC.

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Phil Veteran

Phil

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This is suppose to be a Butia X Jubaea, F1

Phil

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Jungle Music Palms and Cycads, established 1977 and located in Encinitas, CA, 20 miles north of San Diego on the Coast.  Phone:  619 2914605 Link to Phil's Email phil.bergman@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net Link to Jungle Music Palms and Cycads

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Anyone still think this might be just a straight Jubaea?

NO!!!mrlooney.gif

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Anyone still think this might be just a straight Jubaea?

NO!!!mrlooney.gif

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

NCpalmqueen Rising Star

NCpalmqueen

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Geez. I need to post some of my jub crosses. I have long lost the labels and would love to determine which crosses are which. I believe I have the jb f1, too. Phil, please continue your picture discussion!

C from NC

:)

Bone dry summers, wet winters, 2-3 days ea. winter in low teens.

Siler City, NC

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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On ‎4‎/‎28‎/‎2011‎ ‎2‎:‎12‎:‎29‎, MattyB said:

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What is it?

How large has it grown?

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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RJ Grand Master

RJ

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On 2/7/2018, 5:00:14, Moose said:

How large has it grown?

Good question I'm sure many others including myself would like to see 

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Tell us more, @MattyB

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

JubaeaMan138 Grand Master

JubaeaMan138

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I got one from Dave that is jubaea x butia . I’ll have to snap some pictures to me it looks almost pure butia but I’m horrible guessing hybrids . But it looks very similar to

mattys 

JubaeaMan138 Grand Master

JubaeaMan138

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Ok let me show

mine you guys can tell

me wether pure butia or hybrid 

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