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Jubaea, Butia or Hybrid?

schatzle78

By schatzle78
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schatzle78 Enthusiast

schatzle78

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I recently purchased this palm which was sold as a 'Blue' Jubaea chilensis. I am still a novice and have a bit of trouble differentiating the Blue Jubaeas from Butias and JubaeaXButia hydbrids. I understand that there is quite a bit of variation in the Jubaea form but the recurved leaves this palm is putting out is causing me to have some doubts about its true identity. Any help you experts could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance,

Mike

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Mike

San Diego, CA

~5 miles from the ocean

sonoranfans Grand Master

sonoranfans

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Looks like a butia to me...

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

Stevetoad Grand Master

Stevetoad

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me too butia...

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

MARKGREYWA Apprentice

MARKGREYWA

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It dosn't look like a pure Jubaea. It looks similar to a Jubaea x Butia or a Butia

schatzle78 Enthusiast

schatzle78

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Thanks guys. I was leaning towards Butia as well. I have a real hard time telling the difference between a Butia and a Blue Jubaea at this age though. What are the characteristics that make you think Butia rather than Jubaea? I know that a big clue is often the curvature of the leaves but I have heard some people state the the Blue Jubaeas tend to be more recurved, and that the standard green Jubaeas often tend to be more upright (although I realize this isn't a firm rule). Thanks again! Any more info and opinions are greatly appreciated.

Mike

San Diego, CA

~5 miles from the ocean

sonoranfans Grand Master

sonoranfans

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leaflet arrangements in the classic V seem to say butia... Even the butia x jubaea are notably more planar, though sometimes twisted. Jubaea leaves are flat.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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That's 100% Butia. Check the leaflet tips. I doubt that you'll see any distinctive hooks like you will with Jubaea and Jubaea hybrids.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

schatzle78 Enthusiast

schatzle78

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Thank you everyone for the information and the opinions. You guys are awesome! I continue to learn more with every post here. Those tips will really help me out when trying to differentiate the two in the future. Thanks again!

Mike

Mike

San Diego, CA

~5 miles from the ocean

Nigel Mentor

Nigel

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I would ask the seller for more info on provenance.

It does look like Butia but it is still possible to be a hybrid. Small chance if very lucky.

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

mjff Mentor

mjff

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I recently purchased this palm which was sold as a 'Blue' Jubaea chilensis. I am still a novice and have a bit of trouble differentiating the Blue Jubaeas from Butias and JubaeaXButia hydbrids. I understand that there is quite a bit of variation in the Jubaea form but the recurved leaves this palm is putting out is causing me to have some doubts about its true identity. Any help you experts could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance,

Mike

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It's a Blue Jubaea. Looks just like the ones I have (had? jury still out on whether they survived or not). Notice the petioles don't have teeth.

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

edbrown_III Grand Master

edbrown_III

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I recieved my Palms journal yesterday --- it has an article on this palm and coins a few names.

Congradulations Dick Douglas and Patrick Shafer.

Best regards

Ed

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Hi Ed,

Thanks, an honor and a surprise. If anyone wants to see a mature Butia X Jubaea, there is a picture of mine on page 63 of the new Palms. The palm holds many more fronds, but I had trimmed off quite a few of the lower fronds before Don photographed it. The palm grows about 8 new fronds a growing season, and usually has 4 to 7 bloom spathes.

Richard Douglas

edbrown_III Grand Master

edbrown_III

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Its a great article --- I visited your place a few years back and enjoyed the fantastic garden.

One of these days I hope to get back to Northern CA and see your garden again.

Best regards

Ed

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