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Euterpe edulis X Euterpe oleracea

caixeta

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caixeta Veteran

caixeta

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The hybrids are developing well in my area with a mild climate.

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Caixeta

peachy Grand Master

peachy

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Clumping edulis, nice.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

caixeta Veteran

caixeta

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

This year too frosted, they have not suffered any damage. The pictures were taken after the frosts.

Caixeta

realarch Grand Master

realarch

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Nice looking palms. Interesting how the crosses have lost the pendant pinnae and almost have an Archontophoenix look to them.

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

Exotic Life Grand Master

Exotic Life

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They look really nice, it's such a shame I can't grow palmtrees over here like that. Time to move..

Southwest

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

This year too frosted, they have not suffered any damage. The pictures were taken after the frosts.

I bought a few seedlings that didn't even make it through winter in my tunnel house. They wouldn't have seen below 5C and they still died. But I'm wondering a little about what I actually had. In the batch of seedlings there were those with bifid leaves (like oleracea) and some with pinnate leaves (like edulis). I bought all the bifid leaf ones, so maybe mine were just straight oleracea, and didn't cross at all. It was a total experiment so I just thought the cross picked up oleracea's inability to handle any cold. If some have reported them taking light frost, that sure doesn't sound like what I bought. I'm going to try these again. The thought of having a cold tolerant trunking Acai palm is too good to not try again.

RPS I have another order for you. :)

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

richnorm Grand Master

richnorm

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

Just to echo Tyrone, edulis is easy for me but the hybrid has no shout. The seedlings seem fall into two groups with leanings to each parent. Better bet for you might be espiritosantensis for the droopy look (but not clumping).

cheers R

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

Just to echo Tyrone, edulis is easy for me but the hybrid has no shout. The seedlings seem fall into two groups with leanings to each parent. Better bet for you might be espiritosantensis for the droopy look (but not clumping).

cheers R

Rich did you have the pinnate or bifid seedlings? Does E espiritosantensis grow for you?

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Pedro 65 Grand Master

Pedro 65

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

Just to echo Tyrone, edulis is easy for me but the hybrid has no shout. The seedlings seem fall into two groups with leanings to each parent. Better bet for you might be espiritosantensis for the droopy look (but not clumping).

cheers R

Rich did you have the pinnate or bifid seedlings? Does E espiritosantensis grow for you?

Best regards

Tyrone

If i can jump in here, Tyrone, so far Espiritosantensis has not flinched in full open lawn areas with no protection, our lowest minimum so far was on Sunday with a reading of 3celcius. Our E Oleracea are not liking this low temp at all and doubt they will make it through. E Espirit is proving VERY VERY cold tolerant. cheers Pete

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Nigel Mentor

Nigel

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

This year too frosted, they have not suffered any damage. The pictures were taken after the frosts.

Ola Mauricio, how cold was it at your place ? Here in the mountains of SC it got to -7C.

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

Just to echo Tyrone, edulis is easy for me but the hybrid has no shout. The seedlings seem fall into two groups with leanings to each parent. Better bet for you might be espiritosantensis for the droopy look (but not clumping).

cheers R

Rich did you have the pinnate or bifid seedlings? Does E espiritosantensis grow for you?

Best regards

Tyrone

If i can jump in here, Tyrone, so far Espiritosantensis has not flinched in full open lawn areas with no protection, our lowest minimum so far was on Sunday with a reading of 3celcius. Our E Oleracea are not liking this low temp at all and doubt they will make it through. E Espirit is proving VERY VERY cold tolerant. cheers Pete

Going to get me some of these then. Thanks for the info.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

richnorm Grand Master

richnorm

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

Just to echo Tyrone, edulis is easy for me but the hybrid has no shout. The seedlings seem fall into two groups with leanings to each parent. Better bet for you might be espiritosantensis for the droopy look (but not clumping).

cheers R

Rich did you have the pinnate or bifid seedlings? Does E espiritosantensis grow for you?

Best regards

Tyrone

I didn't actually grow the hybrids myself but was gifted one to try and it was not happy even in early winter. I think the one I had was on the oleracea side (bifid)though it was quite an advanced plant when I got it.

I have only one espiritosantensis but so far so good but still just a 50cm plant. I have a feeling it will be a similar grow to edulis (I think some say just a form of edulis). Seems to be a slightly stronger grower than the orange form that was available around the same time. Bump this thread in spring and I will let you know how it fared outside in our cool damp winter.

caixeta Veteran

caixeta

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

This year too frosted, they have not suffered any damage. The pictures were taken after the frosts.

Ola Mauricio, how cold was it at your place ? Here in the mountains of SC it got to -7C.

Hello Nigel. The minimum temperature here is this year was +1 Celsius.

Caixeta

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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They are a very pretty plant. Are they as cold tolerant as a normal edulis ?

Peachy

This year too frosted, they have not suffered any damage. The pictures were taken after the frosts.

Ola Mauricio, how cold was it at your place ? Here in the mountains of SC it got to -7C.

Hello Nigel. The minimum temperature here is this year was +1 Celsius.

That's identical to my min this winter. I now have two more Euterpes to look out for thanks to this thread. I'm glad I read it. Palmtalk is full of good information. Thanks for posting Mauricio. They are beautiful palms.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Olá Caixeta! Bem-vindo ao fórum!!

I´m trying a lot of E.edulis in the shadow of my Araucaria forest. I found the palms in Araucaria forest at 850m altitude andgathered some seeds.. I hope this clone is cold hardier!

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

brodklop Experienced

brodklop

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My oleracea was badly hit this year. Down to 3c at our new place. Last year lowest at old place was 5c and oleracea was not effected. Down to 5c and up to 20c during the day seems ok for oleracea.

Orange crownsharft edulis is not effected. Seedling struggle to keep unburned foliage in full sun though. The one in the shade grows slower but is perfect in appearance. I might leave the one in the sun to see how it hardens up.

Was going to try a precatoria but glad I held off.

What is the general consensus on which is more cold hardy, precatoria or oleracea

Cheers

Brod

Palms are the king of trees

Brod

Brisbane, Australia

28 latitude, sub tropical

summer average 21c min - 29c max

winter average 10c min - 21c max

extremes at my place 5c - 42c

1100 average rainfall

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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I've tried both in the past Brod and for me precatoria was the tougher of the two to take cold. It may have been other factors like water issues, but I think it was the cold that stopped the oleracea I had, I think I tried twice from memory, and two losses for me is when the line is drawn.

Until the third attempt that is. :D

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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