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WHAT is this palm? hybrid? mutant? PRETTY!

BS Man about Palms

By BS Man about Palms
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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I found this palm at Jungle Music today and decided it looked different enough I was intrigued.

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Any Ideas what it is?

A hybrid?

A mutant?

A fungus?

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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WHATEVER it is, I think it looks awesome! I dunno if it will stay that way, (I doubt it ) but I can hope. ;)

I noticed the old leaf was more pinnate, but It this palm has had trauma, It sure looks pretty good for it!!

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:drool:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Kim Grand Master

Kim

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Maybe pull out that little white tag in the pot and read it to us? :winkie: Really, I have no clue. My guess is it goes pinnate soon.

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Pez Enthusiast

Pez

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Almost looks like Siphokentia (Hydriastele) beguinii. ??

Kim Grand Master

Kim

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Some kind of Wallichia?

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

rozpalm Mentor

rozpalm

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Iguanura speciosa or Iguanura wallichiana?

Ron

Wellington, Florida

Zone 11 in my mind

Zone 10a 9a in reality

13miles West of the Atlantic in Palm Beach County

Pedro 65 Grand Master

Pedro 65

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Bill,seen Ptychosperma Schefferi look like this at this stage, they grow out of it.

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Stevetoad Grand Master

Stevetoad

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Looks like a whatchamacallit iwantone. :D

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Interesting. Believe or not, I did not INTEND to leave out the palm name!

The Label was a Ptychosperma elegans....

Anyone know the cold hardiness?

And it sure looks like that schefferi

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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The weird part is that if you look at the lower leaf, it WAS pinnate...It went back to entire leafed... :blink:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

richnorm Grand Master

richnorm

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Interesting. Believe or not, I did not INTEND to leave out the palm name!

The Label was a Ptychosperma elegans....

Anyone know the cold hardiness?

And it sure looks like that schefferi

They grow here, albeit very slowly. Chuck it in a warm spot with a dripper and forget about it for a couple of decades!

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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bleah

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Gbarce Grand Master

Gbarce

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My guess is that it's a mutant form

Fingers crossed that it get even weirder

Hope those leaves stay entire-- That would be awesome!!!

Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

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sarasota alex

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Looks exactly like my P. schefferi did when it was younger, with the exception of one detail - I've never had the leaflets be as narrow, as they are on the older divided leaf. Maybe it's an elegans x schefferi hybrid.

sarasota alex Veteran

sarasota alex

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Also I was just thinking that it looks like a P. lineare that I recently saw at a nursery that was about the same size

Hilo Jason Grand Master

Hilo Jason

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Looks like a Ptychosperma that I have. I'll try to get a picture up on here today of it. Mine does great in summer, but hates the winter. It spotted up real bad this winter, and then this spring it threw a couple of leaves like that and now it's back to normal, pinnate leaves.

Hilo Jason Grand Master

Hilo Jason

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Here's a picture of the palm I have. It's some sort of Ptychosperma, planted as a triple. I got this from a local place that didnt know what it was and it was in pretty bad shape. It grows fast, but burns really bad in the winter. I'm no expert, especially when it comes to Ptychosperma, so I'm not saying yours is the same as whatever mine is. Its just interesting about the leaflets not dividing which I just saw mine do for a season.

You'll see the largest of the 3 plants on the left has a large un-divided leaf. It's the second newest leaf to emerge.

Hilo Jason Grand Master

Hilo Jason

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Here's closer up on the backside of that leaf. I definitely think it was due to shock and coming out of the winter. Sorry the picture isn't great

Hilo Jason Grand Master

Hilo Jason

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And here's one more of the entire palm:

That's Dypsis Sp. Mayotte on the left of it.

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Bill - Did it grow out of it or maintain its mutant form ? :huh:

This species is so prolific in South Florida, it has become naturalized. Interestingly with such an abundance, I've yet to see a variegated one. :interesting:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Looks like a Ptychosperma of some kind.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Hmmm, I never saw this thread. I'm pretty sure it's Ptychosperma elegans that got cold whacked and that triggers some weird entire leaf thing for a while. I had a large trunking one that did the same thing.

$100 says that palm is dead now.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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hhhmmmm again.. I might win this bet I have to check.. It was around as recently as a few months ago. :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Hmmm, I never saw this thread. I'm pretty sure it's Ptychosperma elegans that got cold whacked and that triggers some weird entire leaf thing for a while. I had a large trunking one that did the same thing.

$100 says that palm is dead now.

Has not seen his palm in months? Hey Matty, can I get a piece of that action ? :floor:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

JEFF IN MODESTO Mentor

JEFF IN MODESTO

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Sure it isn't a Dypsis Var Ficus Dammaropsis?

:floor::floor::floor:

Modesto, CA USDA 9b

July/August average 95f/63f

Dec/Jan average 55f/39f

Average lowest winter temp 27f

Record low temp 18f

Record high temp 113f

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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sooo. do I collect $200 now? :P

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Joe palma Mentor

Joe palma

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Gotta find it first Bill!!! :rolleyes:

Joe Dombrowski

Discovery Island Palms Nursery

San Marcos, CA

"grow my little palm tree, grow!"

Moose Grand Master

Moose

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I'm from Missouri :P

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Gotta find it first Bill!!! :rolleyes:

Oh I found it yesterday.. trying to decide if I should wait for the next leaf to open... so it will have 2 :P

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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when it hurts to win you know you have a problem

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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That's some kinda climate where a Ptychosperma elegans doesn't grow...

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Its a tough grow in a neglected pot..

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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It probably has not been looked at in 16 days. Height of the growing season and it may not have the energy or hydration to open up the spear.

If it ain't dead, it will not celibrate another Christmas ... :bemused:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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That's some kinda climate where a Ptychosperma elegans doesn't grow...

Yea...it's called Bill's yard. One of those very unusual micro climates.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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That's some kinda climate where a Ptychosperma elegans doesn't grow...

Yea...it's called Bill's yard. One of those very unusual micro climates.

:P

Unless its in the ground.. then gophers are the only problem... really ...

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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That's some kinda climate where a Ptychosperma elegans doesn't grow...

Yea...it's called Bill's yard. One of those very unusual micro climates.

:P

Unless its in the ground.. then gophers are the only problem... really ...

Not gophers, but similar I reckon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/23666803

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Gotta find it first Bill!!! :rolleyes:

Oh I found it yesterday.. trying to decide if I should wait for the next leaf to open... so it will have 2 :P

27 days and the leaf spear has not opened during the prime time of the growing season? <_<

This is a pretty quick palm - it could be dead. :rolleyes:

May be possible that Bill has not laid eyes on it since 8/15. :interesting:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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