Dypsis species "Stumpy "

[Tassie_Troy1971]

I stumbeled across this palm in Brisbane's Botanical gardens with Daryl . It is so spectacular looking and unique i feel it deserves a stand alone thread !

Pictures do not do this palm justice it epic when viewed in person - and to think this is a Rhopalhedycepehowea junkie talking ! that until now only had a passing interest in Dypsis !!

Troy

[Walter John]

Yes Troy, it is a dazzling palm, and never fails to capture the attention, there are three robustas planted near each other. I really like the accent plants around them and the actual positioning of these big Dypsis in that section between high and low pathways.

[Jeff Searle]

Dypsis carlsmithii is an extreamly beautiful palm and well deserving to be planted wherever it can grow. The large ones I saw in Madagascar were just incredible, probably about 60-70' tall and would take two grown men to wrap their arms around the trunk. Thanks for showing us these pictures!

[Mandrew968]

Wait, is this carlsmithii or robusta? It looks like robusta to me...

[Gtlevine]

Looks like Robusta or Prestoniana to me.

Gary

[Kim]

Beautiful palm, and great pics, Troy. It immediately brought to mind "robusta", but I'm no expert.

[LJG]

Looks like Robusta or Prestoniana to me.

Gary

Yep. This is why common made up names cause issues. Jeff probably remembered Dypsis "Stupmy II" in Australia is now Carlsmithii. "Stump I" is Robusta. Here it is young.

http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Dypsis/spStumpy.html

[Jeff Searle]

Yep...NOT D. carlsmithii. Thanks guys.

Jeff

[realarch]

Thanks for throwing a pic of your awesomeness for scale Troy.

You would never get a sense of how big that robusta is.

[Miccles]

Super pics Troy - thanks ! (I grabbed one of these when I was in Qld a few weeks ago....... mine's 1m tall.... I wonder how many decades until mine looks like the one in your pic..... eeek.)

What a stunning palm.....very "Jurassic"

Regards

Michael

[aussiearoids]

PACSOA suggest prestoniana as name for Stumpy .. robusta I have seen have much shorter internodes

Edited March 27, 2012 by aussiearoids

[bgl]

Troy,

Very impressive Dypsis! No matter what it is. And in the right environment, many of the large Dypsis aren't necessarily "slow". Thanks for posting those photos!

Bo-Göran

[Gtlevine]

PACSOA suggest prestoniana as name for Stumpy .. robusta I have seen have much shorter internodes

Thats what I think, prestoniana.

[bgl]

Here are two photos of the type specimen of Dypsis robusta (at Floribunda), for comparison. With Jeff Marcus in the first one, and (what could be more appropriate) Jeff and John Dransfield in the second one. Photos were taken in June and July 2008.

[Jastin]

Looks like robusta to me.

[LJG]

PACSOA suggest prestoniana as name for Stumpy .. robusta I have seen have much shorter internodes

Thats what I think, prestoniana.

If you look at the photo in the link I posted you will see regular leaflets and all on one plane. I THINK this is how Robusta starts out. Plus the color has the Robusta tomentosa coloration as a small plant, not Prestoniaina. All just my guessing of course. Doesn't anyone here from Oz know for sure? I wish Marcus posted here.

[Gtlevine]

PACSOA suggest prestoniana as name for Stumpy .. robusta I have seen have much shorter internodes

Thats what I think, prestoniana.

If you look at the photo in the link I posted you will see regular leaflets and all on one plane. I THINK this is how Robusta starts out. Plus the color has the Robusta tomentosa coloration as a small plant, not Prestoniaina. All just my guessing of course. Doesn't anyone here from Oz know for sure? I wish Marcus posted here.

When I was in Madagascar I saw dozens of those palms north of Faut Dauphin, exact copies. At the time I didnt know what they were and I guessed Big Curly which turned out to be Prestoniana. The reason I think that palm is Prestoniana is that Robusta is a type specimen from Marcus yard, not all over south Madagascar. But like you said Len, i'm just guessing also.

Gary

[Jastin]

If this is prestoniana then what is BS MANS palm? These pics have very fine leaves and Bill's palm has thick leaves that curl at the tips.Gary - I agree with you about it being from Jeff's place and that to my knowledge its not all over Madagascar. These pics look like the pics of Gary's prestioniana that I have seen on here though too.

[Pedro 65]

These are what is now called Dypsis Robusta. These were once called Stumpy or rightfully so "Marias Stumpy" ( Maria Boggs (decd) from Marias Palmatum who grew and introduced these new palms).Im pretty sure that Jeffs palm was also obtained from Maria.

[LJG]

Gary, we might find that the seed from these palms posted here and the Marcus type plant might have the same source in common like so many other of Jeff's plants.

<edit> Well it seems Pete and I posted the same time. So I guess this settles it

[Walter John]

Maybe when Dypsis robusta grow in Hawaii it actually takes on slightly different characteristics due to soil, climate etc (heaps more rain). Either way, Jeff's and the Mt Cootha palm are Dypsis robusta, no way are these prestoniana, I'm not sure why that palm is thought to be involved. Check out the leaflets for both of these species for starters, totally different. Search on Utopia, the two palms are usually posted in those threads.

I must admit though, the robusta at Utopia and Mt Cootha have a nicer look .

[Dypsisdean]

There was a long discussion about this controversy on Palmpedia with pics and all. If interested you can view HERE

[Gtlevine]

I still think prestoniana. You have to consider location as to why they look different in different locations. Just compare mine to BSMan, totally different due to humidity and heat variation.

[Cedric]

Isnit lovely like a rather large Queen or Sygarus romanzoffiana.

[aussiearoids]

just so typical Australian to call a 10m palm Stumpy

I get called Shorty sometimes ..

[edric]

Maybe when Dypsis robusta grow in Hawaii it actually takes on slightly different characteristics due to soil, climate etc (heaps more rain). Either way, Jeff's and the Mt Cootha palm are Dypsis robusta, no way are these prestoniana, I'm not sure why that palm is thought to be involved. Check out the leaflets for both of these species for starters, totally different. Search on Utopia, the two palms are usually posted in those threads.

I must admit though, the robusta at Utopia and Mt Cootha have a nicer look .

Hi Wal, I agree with you, looks nothing like D. prestoniana, do you guys really think if you dug up Bill's, and Gary's, and Bill Shafer's Prestoniana, and planted them next to the one in the first post, they would at some point in time, they would look like that? I think not, Ed

[Tassie_Troy1971]

Ohh boy ive opened a can of worms here LOL !

Does resemble robusta to me but i am far from being a Dypsis expert !

[Walter John]

Ohh boy ive opened a can of worms here LOL !

Does resemble robusta to me but i am far from being a Dypsis expert !

It's a Dypsis robusta Troy..no can of worms, no controversy......

[Kim]

Just received my March 2012 edition of Palms from the IPS, and the article on page 28 is "Dypsis robusta Found in the Wild" with some fine photos on pages 29 and 30. This is the same palm Gary saw, and later I saw, and probably anyone who's been to Madagascar has seen at the Ranomafana Arboretum. It's much larger than when I photographed it, and the inflorescence is a splendid 3 meters. (See what you're missing if you don't pay your IPS dues?)

Anyhow, Troy's photos brought to mind this very palm, and I couldn't possibly confuse it with Dypsis prestoniana.

The crazy thing is to state this palm "has been found in the wild". (my italics) Well, it's been known to be growing in this Arboretum for years. But the confirmation of the species and publication of that fact have just now made their way through the "system", as it were. For positive identification of the palms in Troy's pix, you'd have to collect herbarium samples and send them to Kew I suppose. Is that correct? Perhaps it's already been done? Nevermind, Wal confirmed it, that's good enough for me.