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FINALLY a PALM HEEL VIDEO (tillering too)

BS Man about Palms

By BS Man about Palms
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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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After MUCH forkin around I think I have a pretty video to look and link too..

Hope the above makes a picture..

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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YAAAYY!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Kim Grand Master

Kim

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Happy Day!

Bring tea for the tillerman

Steak for the son

Wine for the woman who made the rain come

Seagulls sing your hearts away

cause while the sinners sin, the children play

Oh lord how they play and play

For that happy day, for that happy day

http://youtu.be/ghoS6iJTrYc

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

QUINNPALMS Experienced

QUINNPALMS

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I like the vid ! But I like the palm more, how much$. ??

NApalm Mentor

NApalm

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Great Vid and good info. Cheers

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I like the vid ! But I like the palm more, how much$. ??

How much what? You may be "newish" here and under the assumption that because you see a box around the palm you think it it not planted or is for sale.... uuhhhh hahaahah nope, sorry.

:bemused:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

John in Andalucia Grand Master

John in Andalucia

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Bill, is this also a heel? rock.gif

Sabal maritima

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QUINNPALMS Experienced

QUINNPALMS

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I like the vid ! But I like the palm more, how much$. ??

How much what? You may be "newish" here and under the assumption that because you see a box around the palm you think it it not planted or is for sale.... uuhhhh hahaahah nope, sorry.

:bemused:

Hahaha I kinda figured that , are you going to plant it , or is it planted? But everything's has a price , right ? ...... Beautiful palm!

Hammer Grand Master

Hammer

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Great info. I learned something new today! Thanks.

edric Grand Master

edric

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Great job Bill, Ed

MOSQUITO LAGOON

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Glad some are able to learn something from the Video.. that was the idea because I hear this question a fair amount..

John... It sure is!

Nickolas...uuuuhhh Sure. $8,000.00 and You can dig it... no guarantees..

And this may show it "planted" as such..

Interesting.. something between my new computer and my old computer will not allow me to link youtube in a "picture window" darn stupid new technology.. (or lack thereof)

I had to log into my old computer to allow you folks to "see" the picture link.

And there is a part 2 of the one above, but its pretty close to the one at the top of the page...

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Jastin Veteran

Jastin

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Here is a Sapida that has dug its way into the soil. The top of the Superthrive bottle is below the soil surface. My question is...when do they stop going under?

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Grateful to have what I have, Les amis de mes amis sont mes amis!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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THAT, my dear Jastin, IS the question!!!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Bill, is this also a heel? rock.gif

Sabal maritima

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John, are you going to update your Clinosperma macrocarpa thread?

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Jastin Veteran

Jastin

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THAT, my dear Jastin, IS the question!!!

I was hoping you could answer that dear

Grateful to have what I have, Les amis de mes amis sont mes amis!

John in Andalucia Grand Master

John in Andalucia

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Bill, is this also a heel? rock.gif

Sabal maritima

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John, are you going to update your Clinosperma macrocarpa thread?

Too painful Len. It perished. sad.gif There's still rock and roll though!

Chris Chance Mentor

Chris Chance

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Bill that was very informative. Thanks for the post.

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Bill, is this also a heel? rock.gif

Sabal maritima

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John, are you going to update your Clinosperma macrocarpa thread?

Too painful Len. It perished. sad.gif There's still rock and roll though!

Boo. Well, it was a long shot anyway and you gave many others hope for this thing by showing deliding works.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Just1MorePalm Community Regular

Just1MorePalm

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THAT, my dear Jastin, IS the question!!!

I was hoping you could answer that dear

From my experience...The Tillering will stop when the palm starts to trunk...

DALION Experienced

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THAT, my dear Jastin, IS the question!!!

So my follow up question to this is, should tillering palms be planted up on a small mound to then much later in the future clear the mound and expose the trunk? I know that we are only talking about less than a foot of trunk but it does make a difference when you are talking about palms that grow as slow as snails with anchors.

Leo

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Leo, Jose, Dalion, :winkie:

The point of mound planting is to prevent the palm from rotting out when the growing point is BELOW ground level. On a mound, it can always drain off. FEW heeled palms will ever "push the trunk above" the ground. If it does.. its very simple, ADD soil or mulch. IF the growing point is say... 4" below ground level on poor draining soil...... uuuhh see the point? A drowning palm is not long for this world.

ALSO, I will add NOT ALL HEELED PALMS GROW THE SAME OR HAVE THE SAME MOISTURE REQUIREMENTS

Rhopy's and to a lesser extent Sabals are fairly tolerant of very moist enviroments...

DYPSIS are not. Safest thing to say about heeled Dypsis is if in doubt, "don't water".

And Jastin.. Thats the point.. I still have no idea what prompts the timing of a heeled palm to go "up". At best I think its when the base of the trunk/heel/etc. hits something firm enough it will start to push back up.. just dunno.

Also was listening to the video, I guess in reality the palm is "pulling" itself down in, it can't push against "air". I have said this in the past, just neglected to on this video.

Glad its helping.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Oh yeah... sorry to hear that news john. :( But it was a great effort!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

richnorm Grand Master

richnorm

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Bill, is this also a heel? rock.gif

Sabal maritima

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John, are you going to update your Clinosperma macrocarpa thread?

Too painful Len. It perished. sad.gif There's still rock and roll though!

Sorry to hear that. You must try again!

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Slick Wily, Bef, Brevinodis? Maybe our viewers are asking, exactly WHAT species is this Dypsis. :D

Great little video though.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Thanks Bill, good work, I'm with Jeff though, a little confused as to what that palm really is, it is not clumping either so it's a .......................

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Well.... The above are GOOD questions.. By my copy of the POM there is NO Dypsis bef, or brevinodes.. and certainly no slick willy. BUT They are all the same palm sold under those names. As to if its unnamed...? I would bet YES.

There are long discussions about this "species" in the past and Jeff knows that :) He's just stirring the pot.

But Wal, they are Usually they are clumpers, but its a rare single trunk.... some say its an "upright onilahensis".. ?? BUT .. one distinguishing characteristic is WHEN it clumps, it does all its splitting UNDER the ground and AND this is a heeled palm OBVIOUSLY .. many sold as D. onilahensis are NOT heeled.

So.. ANOTHER Dypsis mystery..:rolleyes:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Bill,

Seriously, a very nice video. Thanks! Can we expect to see this in stores soon? And how much.....? :D

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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If I could reach over and poke you in the gut right now i would... :P:angry::winkie:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Indeed Bill, it appears a rare single Dypsis sp.bef. There are clumping forms of this at Utopia I photographed and posted many moons ago. From memory the trunks were slimmer though, more Dypsis mystery. It's a ripper palm for sure.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Indeed Bill, it appears a rare single Dypsis sp.bef. There are clumping forms of this at Utopia I photographed and posted many moons ago. From memory the trunks were slimmer though, more Dypsis mystery. It's a ripper palm for sure.

Found some old pics of the clumping version, a real beauty. Do you think this is the same palm ? My guess is the clumping ones didn't have a heel though, rumour has it Clayton's back in town, he might clarify.

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Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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I may have missed it but I can't find it. The number of my Palm Books is over 50. I can not find any scentific or botanical naming the part of the palm Bill (and many others) call "the heel". Geez, they assign a term to everything else. :blink: Also, the tillering action during development is not rare - but is quite uncommon and unique. My search for finding the proper terminology for "tillering" produced negetative results as well.

Bill - I think you should submit an article to Palms (formerly known as Principes) describing this heel and tillering phenomenon. Perhaps we could get an "official terminology and/or description" from our palm reseaching gurus after your publication ? :D

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

Darold Petty Grand Master

Darold Petty

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The term 'saxophone axis' has been used since 1973. Refer to Tomlinson and Esler, (1973). There is also a very good discussion of the feature in 'Structural Biology of Palms', by P.B. Tomlinson, Oxford Press, 1990, on page 83.

I will try to post an image of the line drawing and text in the next few days. :winkie:

San Francisco, California

Cindy Adair Grand Master

Cindy Adair

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So I enjoyed your informative video. I can't check this little one for a heel as it's far away from me today. I labelled it what was written when I bought it which was sp. bef/Slick Willy. Does that seem to be what I should continue to use now until it grows up and looks like something else OR someone comes up with a better name? My size 7 women's boot and the PVC pipe is all I have to indicate size. If I gently dig in the soil would I maybe find a heel?

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I apologise for dumb youtube.. Have no Idea what shows up in those links now. The original was "tillerheel".. Just now saw when I loaded this page was showing my Kentiopsis magnifica.. :unsure:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Bump so I don't lose it..

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Shirleypalmpaws Community Regular

Shirleypalmpaws

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BS Man :wub: thank you for the educational video...it's just exactly perfect for newbies like me!

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There are several mature Wodyetia bifurcata in my neighborhood--that helps determine my zone, right? :blink:

SanDimas Rising Star

SanDimas

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Here is a Sapida that has dug its way into the soil. The top of the Superthrive bottle is below the soil surface. My question is...when do they stop going under?

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you use Superthrive?

I started a thread on Red Bull & Steroids for palms.

How does that Superthrive work or worked for you?

You would use only 1 mL per gallon of water.

Are you root or foliar feeding or both?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Cheers. Ritchy

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