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Posted

I really like this palm and I think that it's underused in the landscape probably because people hear Chamerops and immediately dismiss it as common. But it has a beautiful blue color and is amazingly drought tolerant. I have two of these; one I've left clumping to grow wild, and the other I'm pruning to a single stem. I'd love to see some more pics of this species growing in other gardens.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

I just learned that the proper name is actually Chamerops humilis v. 'argentea'. I wonder why the name 'cerifera' is so common?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

Mine has also been a star performer - went in as a 1 gallon and has never looked back.It easily throws a dozen or more new fronds per year.

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

Posted

The fruit is also very ornamental!

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

Posted

Cerifera has inertia, been around. That's what everyone seems to call it.

I've got a couple in the ground, will post pics when I get home from {dark chord] the Dark Tower.

My favoriite name for them is "Hi-oh-SILVER."

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Posted

Wont you scar its trunk by pruning it?

Posted

MattyB....

I'm with you on this...Love the way you have created 2 unique looks with the same species. I really enjoy the "blue" variety. But I want to also stand up for the "common folk". Dec. 2009, I germinated my first palm species...the "green" variety. This month, I am finally getting a fan to open up...pretty exciting times for a newbie at this palm stuff....I have earthquakes where I'm at more often then being able to report on a change in my palms. Here is my pride and joy along with the donor palm that has been in this box for about 30 years. Scott

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Survived Feb. 9, 1971 & Jan. 17, 1994 earthquakes   Before Palms, there was a special airplane

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Posted

Those are beauties. Really like the way both of you have planted them in the landscape. I've heard these are native to North Africa.

Question about the silvery blue leaves. Will they retain their color in a cooler, more coastal climate (ie San Francisco)? Or do you need more consistent heat? Looks like both of you live in warm climates.

Outer Richmond District
San Francisco, California

Posted

I bet Darold would know.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

Very nice Matty :drool: - one of my favorite palms but seemingly impossible to obtain in Australia even at the Brisbane palm show that was choc a block with rare species ??

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

Posted

I believe "cerifera" means 'having wax-like...', wax being the central component.

 

 

Posted

dismissed-common.

:interesting:

Paulgila told me to say that.

I think.

I forget now. :blink:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Posted

its blue color contrasts well with your weeds so at least you'd be able to find it

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted
:floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: Ha HA HA HA

Aloha!

 

Always looking for "Palms of Paradise"

 

Cardiff by the Sea 10b 1/2

1/2 mile from the Blue Pacific

Posted

I really like this palm and I think that it's underused in the landscape probably because people hear Chamerops and immediately dismiss it as common. But it has a beautiful blue color and is amazingly drought tolerant. I have two of these; one I've left clumping to grow wild, and the other I'm pruning to a single stem. I'd love to see some more pics of this species growing in other gardens.

certainly nothing wrong with that palm, a real beauty.

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

Posted

They do lose the intense blue color in the cool, humid San Francisco microclimate. Years ago I made a special trip to SoCal to purchase the largest one available at that time. It is now more grey than blue. :( Individual plants also vary a lot in the color tone, even from the same seed batch, I have 5 plants of Chamaerops in my tiny yard. If I had a large garden in a really hot climate I would have a Chamaerops section showing the endless variety of leaf and color tone.

San Francisco, California

Posted

As Darold notes, they vary a lot.

Some are almost white, others are blue, and others are dark, almost steely gray.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Posted
drool.gifI just got one of these today from the man quaman! I'm excited to replace my " regular" one with it.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Posted

its blue color contrasts well with your weeds so at least you'd be able to find it

Yeah, but I would get all cut up when I get around to weeding it....:winkie:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Posted

Matty, That big clumper really looks good, and the single trunker is interesting because it's holding it's leaves almost horizontally. I like the way these palms contrast amongst the 'greens' of the garden.

Here's mine grown in a cool climate, holding it's color even under a fair amount of canopy. The second one is a normal C. humilis. I picked it out for it's silvery color and small leaves.

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Perry Glenn

SLO Palms

(805) 550-2708

http://www.slopalms.com

Posted

hi

...beautiful pics about this palm!!

Here I show two ceriferas in the Botanical Garden of Sóller (Mallorca Island).

place with high humidity and cold winter nights.

looks like it loses the blue in older leaves...

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...also show this chamaerops with glaucous leaves.

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regards.

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Posted

Matty, That big clumper really looks good, and the single trunker is interesting because it's holding it's leaves almost horizontally. I like the way these palms contrast amongst the 'greens' of the garden.

Here's mine grown in a cool climate, holding it's color even under a fair amount of canopy. The second one is a normal C. humilis. I picked it out for it's silvery color and small leaves.

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hi Perito.

beautiful palms!

the second one reminds me a bit to Vulcano.

may be hybrid??

regards.

Posted

Matty, That big clumper really looks good, and the single trunker is interesting because it's holding it's leaves almost horizontally. I like the way these palms contrast amongst the 'greens' of the garden.

Here's mine grown in a cool climate, holding it's color even under a fair amount of canopy. The second one is a normal C. humilis. I picked it out for it's silvery color and small leaves.

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hi Perito.

beautiful palms!

the second one reminds me a bit to Vulcano.

may be hybrid??

regards.

I don't know Serg. It was with a lot of other 'normal' Chamaerops when I found it in the Nursery.

Perry Glenn

SLO Palms

(805) 550-2708

http://www.slopalms.com

Posted

They do lose the intense blue color in the cool, humid San Francisco microclimate. Years ago I made a special trip to SoCal to purchase the largest one available at that time. It is now more grey than blue. :( Individual plants also vary a lot in the color tone, even from the same seed batch, I have 5 plants of Chamaerops in my tiny yard. If I had a large garden in a really hot climate I would have a Chamaerops section showing the endless variety of leaf and color tone.

Thanks for chiming in, Darold.

Yeah, I think I remember you mentioning that when we visited your garden. When I looked at purchasing a cerifera, I asked the same question and the salesperson said it should maintain its bluish color even in a cooler climate, but as you can attest, that doesn't seem to be the case.

I have three regular Chamerops. One is dark green, one is yellow-green and one is somewhere in the middle. Glad to know they vary, and the color difference isn't because I'm not caring for them properly!

Outer Richmond District
San Francisco, California

Posted

Summers here are similar to habitat with 100F on many days, combined with deep sandy loam and medium water- all seems to suit this one very well here in my cold hardy garden.

This one is in the backyard.

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Glenn

Modesto, California

 

Sunset Zone 14   USDA 9b

 

Low Temp. 19F/-7C 12-20-1990         

 

High Temp. 111F/43C 07-23-2006

 

Annual Average Precipitation 13.12 inches/yr.

 

             

Posted

And a big one in the front yard.

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Glenn

Modesto, California

 

Sunset Zone 14   USDA 9b

 

Low Temp. 19F/-7C 12-20-1990         

 

High Temp. 111F/43C 07-23-2006

 

Annual Average Precipitation 13.12 inches/yr.

 

             

Posted

Here are some of mine.

The first one has been in the ground for more than a year

and is currently experiencing a growth spurt.

I am not particularly happy with the colour even though it reveals itself when photographed with a flash.

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Posted

These two grow at a glacial pace (in the ground for about a year).

The main trunk of one of them has rotted and all that remains are the suckers.

I am hoping the colour will improve as they grow larger.

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Posted

My latest purchase has been in the ground for a few months.

It seems to be in a state of shock (even though it was pot bound) but it is growing.

Colour is a bit yellowish but new spears are coming out silver.

I have noticed that the silver wax tends to rub off the older fronds as they sway in the wind.

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Posted (edited)

At 47n, the color only last three years here before they fad out, but the new growth is nice.

I only have three months of warm weather so they are very slow growing but much more hardy than the green variety.

Here's a few of mine.

MartyB I like the cordylines next to yours really makes it pop!

I use hot pink for that effect.

Click photos to see bigger image.

New silver growth so far this year.

No growth on this one yet.

Edited by Palm crazy
Posted (edited)

Morning sunlight only.

Six years in the ground from a 5 gallon.

6'6" wide by 4'6" tall.

In a cold rainy winter place like mine the color sometimes washes off!

Edited by Palm crazy
Posted

Not all Chamaerops variants grow at the same rate! The cerifera is one of the slowest (a genuine cerifera that is, which has blackish thorns on petiole). On the other hand it is more resistant to overhead irrigation (always the genuine variant), while other variants rot freely in this case.

Posted (edited)

hi...

Here I show you two of my ceriferas ...

grow faster than my Vulcanos.

they lose the wax in older leaves, but the leaf tissue is white, and black spines.

the female

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the male

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I have never seen a blue cerifera like Matt,...

...or an adult multitrunked cerifera...

humilis in habitat, Mallorca.(Balearic IslandS)

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regards.

Edited by sergiskan
Posted

hi Perito.

beautiful palms!

the second one reminds me a bit to Vulcano.

may be hybrid??

regards.

I don't know Serg. It was with a lot of other 'normal' Chamaerops when I found it in the Nursery.

hello Perito

this one was found in a sea of chamaerops humilis, but for sure, not is a standard humilis .

the leaves are costapalmate...

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regards.

Posted

Here is mine... top leaf tip about 5'8" tall (same as top of my head).

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Posted

I saw a couple at a local nursery and I just had to get one. These are pretty cool! I like the fact that they grow slowly too. A perfect little specimen for next to the driveway.

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Posted

They do lose the intense blue color in the cool, humid San Francisco microclimate. Years ago I made a special trip to SoCal to purchase the largest one available at that time. It is now more grey than blue. sad.gif Individual plants also vary a lot in the color tone, even from the same seed batch, I have 5 plants of Chamaerops in my tiny yard. If I had a large garden in a really hot climate I would have a Chamaerops section showing the endless variety of leaf and color tone.

Thanks for chiming in, Darold.

Yeah, I think I remember you mentioning that when we visited your garden. When I looked at purchasing a cerifera, I asked the same question and the salesperson said it should maintain its bluish color even in a cooler climate, but as you can attest, that doesn't seem to be the case.

I have three regular Chamerops. One is dark green, one is yellow-green and one is somewhere in the middle. Glad to know they vary, and the color difference isn't because I'm not caring for them properly!

They're definitely less silvery in cool-summer SF, but I've seen established specimens in a microclimate not too dissimilar to Darold's (Balboa Terrace) that's much more silvery. I think it's as much the slow pace of growth as the humidity: at Lyon Arboretum on O'ahu there's a stunningly silver specimen and that place gets well over 100 inches of rain a year.

Jason Dewees

Inner Sunset District

San Francisco, California

Sunset zone 17

USDA zone 10a

21 inches / 530mm annual rainfall, mostly October to April

Humidity averages 60 to 85 percent year-round.

Summer: 67F/55F | 19C/12C

Winter: 56F/44F | 13C/6C

40-year extremes: 96F/26F | 35.5C/-3.8C

  • 3 weeks later...
Posted

Lots of great specimens.

I've got a handful in pots here and no two have the same color. Here's a closeup of one.

Someday might get one into the ground.

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Posted

I will post some pics tomorrow of the beast I have in the ground. It has the widest spread of any I have seen.

I have this for now........

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Joe Dombrowski

Discovery Island Palms Nursery

San Marcos, CA

"grow my little palm tree, grow!"

Posted

Here are some pics of the beast from a couple of years ago......more pics tomorrow of what it looks like now!!!!

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Joe Dombrowski

Discovery Island Palms Nursery

San Marcos, CA

"grow my little palm tree, grow!"

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