Mycorrcin

[richnorm]

i'm thinking about trying some of this product. anyone got any information or opinions to share? it is designed for pasture.

cheers

richard

MYCORRCIN

Mycorrcin - the Soil inoculant activates Mycorrhizal Fungi already in your soil .

Mycorrhizal fungi are the heart of soil fertility, at the tip of plant roots and often visible as ‘white mould ’going down into the soil depths in cracks etc. They are the roots feeders and source phosphate, calcium, trace elements and moisture for the plants in exchange for simple sugars. They stimulate other bacteria in the root zone to create humus, new root tips, improve aeration, moisture retention and drainage plus converting nutrients into plant available forms, raising the Olsen P, sodium, calcium and potassium levels etc.

We can put heavy rates of fertiliser on regularly to build up soil fertility, but it’s these guys that convert it into plant available forms and actually make the grass grow. Obviously they are there naturally but we now have the technology to stimulate them to increase their population/activity and start a chain reaction that benefits a whole range of dynamic soil life that has an important place in soil structure and plant growth.

With more root growth, new root tips growing, old root systems dying and decomposing into humus (not thatch), pasture is better able to withstand insect attacks, pugging and compaction, plus stand up to grazing and environmental pressures. New pasture establishes quicker and the established pastures perform for longer growing seasons.

Greater utilisation of fertiliser, higher mineral content in pasture, aeration of compacted soils, plus greater root mass for summer growth are benefits which are there for a long time after an application of Mycorrcin.

[John Case]

Seems to me that this product is aimed at food crops, based their website.

I am not certain whether it would make a difference (if it really does anything at all) for trees of any type, since the fungi already exist in the ground and will attach themselves to the roots over time. Perhaps for seedlings it may make a difference, but if you are dealing with rare species, it may add a level of hazard that you may not want to approach.

All in all, it does not interest me and I will not be using it. (FWIW).

Good luck!

[Palmə häl′ik]

All I can say is seeing is believing. I innoculated every palm on my wittle 1/4 acre piece... Roots gone wild, I say.... Any botanist and horticultural professional will tell you that the plants root system is a key element to the plants survival. Its a no-brainer. Any expansion of the root system will ne beneficial. Edible or ornamental, it dont much matter.

- Ray.

[John Case]

All I can say is seeing is believing. I innoculated every palm on my wittle 1/4 acre piece... Roots gone wild, I say.... Any botanist and horticultural professional will tell you that the plants root system is a key element to the plants survival. Its a no-brainer. Any expansion of the root system will ne beneficial. Edible or ornamental, it dont much matter.

- Ray.

Ray,

Is that the product you used?

[Palmə häl′ik]

No I havent used that specific brand, but have used the fungi in the past and present....

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=28848&view=&hl=&fromsearch=1

[richnorm]

Thanks for the comments and link. This stuff isn't actually micorrhyzae but is meant to promote it. It's cheap enough that may as well give it a go but would like to know what's in it. I have noticed that the most fertile parts of my garden also grow a lot of fungi.

[Pedro 65]

Get a truck load of fresh mushroom compost Rich, Gardens LOVE it and so do all the worms , plus its "packed with microbes". Pete

[Ken Johnson]

Rich, I went to a SFPS lecture by a researcher from FTBG who was a palm root specialist wherein he described the relationship between the fungus and the root. He showed examples from work he did which included photos of the roots infested with the fungus.

After a the talk I asked him if palms that were well fed with man made fertilizer would grow better than ones with fungus only and he said the fertilizer is far better. BTW fertilizer has a tendency to kill the fungus so you will be even better off because the infestation of fungi nodes in your roots, clogging them up, will be gone!

[Rusty on Pine Is.]

To begin, VAM or any other Mycorirzza isnt a magic bullet...it is a very simple mutualistic environment whereby the fungi derives energy from the plant, and the plant benefits from increased surface area in the rhizophere due to the increased fungal hyphae....that's it, folks, no magic, no hype...

Unless the soil has been severely compromised, inoculation with mycorrhiza fungi will yield only mixed and superficial results.....

...simply put, if the fungi isn't lacking, its addition will yield little benefit,

[Palmə häl′ik]

The fungi will not just die off unless there is nothing for them to eat on. Phosphate based ferts dont just kill the fungi like you may think Ken.

I think were looking for the term 'carbs', that is what the beneficial bacteria grub on. Lack of, could, and I'm sure would kill off benes eventually...

I'm looking for the initial root stimulation, and filaments for root expansion, and thats it. I don't intend to continue use, say for organics.... Thats a whole different ball game.... That's when you'd have to feed the benes in order for them to do their thing breakin down the shhh tuff. McCo eats sugars. molassass. This practice of continued use, and applications of MyCo and molassass is used on food crop production, organic style.

- Ray.

[Rusty on Pine Is.]

BTW, there is no palm that is 'well fed'...i hate to keep harping on this, but it is impossible to

'FEED; a palm, or for that matter any green plant! Most plants are AUTOTROPHS, which means that they make their own food...thus they cannot be fed, since the make their own food...........

so you cannot feed a plant, you can only fertilize it!

...and the researcher forgot to include some elementary knowledge about mycorrhiza ....if the rhizosphere is healthy, there is little need for the fungi, and it's numbers decline....unless fertilizer is compromised with fungicide it isn't toxic to the fungi......it simply has an unfavorable environment in which to grow......

[Pedro 65]

Broad acre grain growers ( 10,000 acres plus in Australia, prob not the US) are backing off on the amount of chemical fert they use and plough in the harvested crops to build up the microbes and humas in the soil which have been decimated by years of chemical ferts. Their crops now are yielding "much heavier" and they are "much healthier"

[LJG]

To begin, VAM or any other Mycorirzza isnt a magic bullet...it is a very simple mutualistic environment whereby the fungi derives energy from the plant, and the plant benefits from increased surface area in the rhizophere due to the increased fungal hyphae....that's it, folks, no magic, no hype...

Unless the soil has been severely compromised, inoculation with mycorrhiza fungi will yield only mixed and superficial results.....

...simply put, if the fungi isn't lacking, its addition will yield little benefit,

I disagree. There is certainly more to the symbiotic relationship then what you stated. From increased resistance to disease to the ability to live in soils a plant normally wouldn't be able to, to the fact some plants simply can not live without them should tell you it goes beyond "more surface area".

[Rusty on Pine Is.]

To begin, VAM or any other Mycorirzza isnt a magic bullet...it is a very simple mutualistic environment whereby the fungi derives energy from the plant, and the plant benefits from increased surface area in the rhizophere due to the increased fungal hyphae....that's it, folks, no magic, no hype...

Unless the soil has been severely compromised, inoculation with mycorrhiza fungi will yield only mixed and superficial results.....

...simply put, if the fungi isn't lacking, its addition will yield little benefit,

I disagree. There is certainly more to the symbiotic relationship then what you stated. From increased resistance to disease to the ability to live in soils a plant normally wouldn't be able to, to the fact some plants simply can not live without them should tell you it goes beyond "more surface area".

I would be more than willing to read the published research upon which you derive your post...always willing to be proven wrong.....

[LJG]

Rusty, the Net is loaded with details from PhDs and Botonist. Type "benefits of mycorrhizae in plants" in Google and you will get tons of info. I am a firm believer in mycorrhizae inoculation for some tough to grow palms like difficult NewCals. At least until large enough to go it alone.

[trioderob]

After a the talk I asked him if palms that were well fed with man made fertilizer would grow better than ones with fungus only and he said the fertilizer is far better.

Ken-

you talked about this before in another thread.

it was about organic fert vs man made . some folks went on about how the organic has natural properties and is better for the palms.

you defended the man made. so i decided to go heavy on the man made fert on a few palms this year and got crazy growth.

you did not get proper credit on that thread for a guy who is a palm guru.

please tell me more on this subject

I am all ears.

Edited November 26, 2012 by trioderob

[Ken Johnson]

After a the talk I asked him if palms that were well fed with man made fertilizer would grow better than ones with fungus only and he said the fertilizer is far better.

Ken-

you talked about this before in another thread.

it was about organic fert vs man made . some folks went on about how the organic has natural properties and is better for the palms.

you defended the man made. so i decided to go heavy on the man made fert on a few palms this year and got crazy growth.

you did not get proper credit on that thread for a guy who is a palm guru.

please tell me more on this subject

I am all ears.

[trioderob]

for example:

this Baronii was almost dead and did not grow last summer.

this year I gave it an extremelly heavy dose of man made fert and it was my fastest grower.

keep in mind that I did give it alot of organic ferts before

[Palmə häl′ik]

Organic ferts N P K aren't as readily available as the chemical alternatives.... That's why palms will always look better with chem'd stuff... Its instant N P K.

- Ray.

[BS Man about Palms]

Rob.. Just to play Devils advocate here on your "growth" story.. How much of a factor do you think "the warmest summer in Southern California" in over 25 years played in that growth, compared to the 2 years prior also being 2 of the coolest?

Since I fix AC systems, I am well aware of the length of the summer heat!

That Dypsis looks great btw.

[trioderob]

Bill-

this subject is one for the pro's and way beyound my experience level.

i was under the impression that organics were the way to go also.

last year there was a thread where Ken Johnson made some statements about the advantages of going man made on the ferts.

maybe we can get him to explain the advantages again.

as far as the hot summer being the cause i really dont think so.

now my Bizzie doubling in size over the summer - thats all about the heat.

Edited November 27, 2012 by trioderob