IPAC Club House, meet here for fun and to think out loud!

[sarasota alex]

I'm for keeping it together. I fear where this is going. Soon we are going to have a Med-climate and a trop-climate forums, because climates and palm selections are that much different also. You also have palm experts in the tropics that may not be visiting a cold-hardy forum, when their opinions could be important in a "what's wrong with my Sabal minor" topic of some kind.

We have a great community here and it would be a step towards dividing it.

[LJG]

I'm for keeping it together. I fear where this is going. Soon we are going to have a Med-climate and a trop-climate forums, because climates and palm selections are that much different also. You also have palm experts in the tropics that may not be visiting a cold-hardy forum, when their opinions could be important in a "what's wrong with my Sabal minor" topic of some kind.

We have a great community here and it would be a step towards dividing it.

Alex, have you seen anyone start a Med climate forum or tropical forum on the web? I know a few cold related forums on the web. I think people are digging too much into this. The goal is to gain members. Well why can't the IPS get a bunch of those members that only go to the euro or cold hardy growing forums and are members there? Something keeps those people from coming here.

Personally I wouldn't read the cold hardy forum. But I don't read threads related to them now anyway. So it really doesn't matter to me. I just want to see PT grow to help the IPS. And I think creating a sub forum for it might gain traction with all those users on those other forums. I guess we should ask those users that frequent those forums as I am sure their opinion would matter more then mine or anyone else's that doesn't post there.

[LJG]

Considering there are many cold hardy forums I couldn't agree more that the IPS should add that section to our forums to attract those users. It really is a different world from the more sub tropical - tropical world.

I'm keeping an open mind and can bring it up again with the PT Committee. But I'm curious - suppose someone starts a topic in "Discussing Palms" on Brahea, Trachycarpus, or Washingtonia - should topics about cold hardy genera be moved to the Cold Hardy Forum?

.

Dean, I think people would be smart enough to figure it out where to post. What little cross posting you get wouldnt be anymore then what happens now with travel, etc..

So, if someone asks me where to post pics of their Braheas and Butias, what do I tell them? In other words, when should a topic about Braheas and Butias go in a cold hardy forum? If it's just pics, where should it go? If it's about pests, fertilizing, or transplanting? Or is it only when it's about climatic concerns? Or should any and all topics about cold hardy genera go in a Cold Hardy Forum?

I have submitted the consideration to the PT committee, but I'm sure this question will be raised in any discussion.

How does it work at huge forums now? My mountain biking forums have over 100 places to start new threads. People figure it out.

[paulgila]

imo further subdivision of PT will only compartmentalize people more & isolate them from each other. take the spanish speaking forum for example. i used to interact with those folks often in the main

forum but now never see them or chat with them.

[dalmatiansoap]

Agree. This way one gets more palm knowledge, wanted or not, by reading more stuff.

[Ken Johnson]

PalmTalk is a unique entity established by the IPS to provide members with a way to communicate on line (more or less). It has grown into a repository of many great palmy things and then some. It seems the most important thing is its educational value but many of the people here also use it for communicating and sharing personal palm experiences. This more personal feeling leads people to find others who share common bonds and palmy experiences...this is what is happening when some ask for a special section.....so they can more readily meet people that have common experiences.

Veterans here know where to look for information and people easily. There are buttons all over the place that will let you quickly navigate. Yes you will need to learn those buttons but they work. If you search for "cold hardy" you may even find a picture of Esther ice skating in Holland! Then you will see her snow covered palms and realize you have found nirvana. Nirvana is palms covered in snow? For some people it is!

IPAC is committed to making sure that PalmTalk becomes a popular part of the IPS experience. Almost every member I speak too knows more about PalmTalk than they do the IPS.The IPS is working towards an interface between the two that will get closer and better!

[sonoranfans]

I also think a cold hardy forum would benefit in gaining new cold hardy members, but Im not sure that is a good goal for IPS, not for me to say. This forum is overwhelmingly zone 10 and a newbie would have a lot of work to find a cold hardy discussion at even zone 9, much less zone 8. But perhaps cold hardy palm growers represent a very small slice of the pie and it isnt worth having a separate sub forum. I can say from my experiences where you live really matters in getting help when you start growing palms. When I was in arizona, palm talk didnt provide much help in caring for palms as the number of members in AZ was small, the discussions were quickly buried in the forum, and even inland california doesnt have nearly as dry a hot spring season. So I learned from an experienced grower in AZ, Rod Anderson, who seemed to know way more about what palms I could grow in AZ. After I moved to florida, I found the florida folks were the best bet because they knew much more about the weather and soils. Fortunately, there were plenty of them on palmtalk. If I were outside florida, california or australia, I would have a much tougher time getting the info or interaction I needed. So, for growing tips I now just manually filter all the others out who are away from my area, regardless of whether they are growing the same palm. For just brousing, I now like to see what others in all areas are doing. But a new person getting started in growing is likely not very interested in information they cannot use. they dont want to kill palms unnecessarily because they got the wrong information or advice. It could be a tedious task at times for the new cold hardy grower as the new topics can quickly overflow even recent cold hardy topics off the front page. It appears that people from the different areas are separated by their interests anyway if they stick around long enough. But some that dont stick around might leave because their interests are being buried in a mound of topics and they just think there is no information that is useful in their situation. The impression for some could be that cold hardy doesnt exist in the discussion forum, when in fact there are a number of threads. It might be useful to have a "zone filter"( eg 7,8,9,10) that has to be manually set by the user in viewing topics. the zones of each poster could be entered in the user information and tagged on the topics they initiate. In this way you might retain some new cold hardy users who find information too tedious to come by. In my opinion, you would not want such a zone filter to be automatic, as that would blind people (unknowingly) of the possibilities of this board...

[PALM MOD]

How does it work at huge forums now? My mountain biking forums have over 100 places to start new threads. People figure it out.

And I hate those hundred topic forums.

For information on all kinds of topics, and to keep up on how other forums operate, I visit a ton of forums. And even though I know how to glean information from them, I hate the ones that have dozens and dozens of sub-forums. The first thing I do is look for the 2 or 3 sub_forums that have the most posts.. And then if I ask a question there it is usually moved to where the mod thinks it should have been posted. If I end up using the forum again (or regularly) I do eventually learn how they run things and where my questions should be posted. But I find it irritating to have to study the layout of a forum before my posts stay where I put them.

So that is why I asked the question you still haven't answered. Where do topics on cold hardy genera go? Do I move them all to a Cold Hardy Forum? I do I have to make an executive decision as to if they are what a cold hardy crowd is interested in? Or do I just ignore them and let "people figure it out." I know it must appear to the casual user that topics are just automatically finding their way to the proper forums now. I only wish it happened that way.

But we will have an answer for you soon. Two more committee members to hear from still.

[Stevetoad]

keep it simple! i think its easy to see what threads are about cold hardy palms vs ultra tropical.

[George Sparkman]

What is the definition of "Cold Hardy" anyway ? Would that not depend on who is checking ? Or is there a clear definition ?

I for one think that having it the way it is now is much more educational since one goes down a list of topics to come across topics that one would never look for.

My two pennies.

[sonoranfans]

with a zone screening tool for threads as I have suggested, you could make your own definition with a "thread filter". or at least you would find someone in your zone/area more quickly to discuss. As far as educational, yes I agree it is more educational to read all posts here. But I doubt most new hobbyists want to be educated to that extent right off. Being able to identify palms that they cannot grow anyway as seedlings is not a priority for some, Im sure. Most start out wanting to know about growing palms in their gardens. Later on, perhaps some of these develop a passion for an education about palms in general. If education is the goal of IPS, it might be useful to consider that not all want to be broadly educated before they can successfully grow palms in their area. It might be that, for some, the education happens more gradually, after developing a passion that can in some cases only develop fully after successful experiences in the garden. It could be that IPS/palmtalk caters to the more experienced crowd and other boards to gardeners that just like to grow some palms in their gardens...

[George Sparkman]

That is a good point Tom.

[PANGEA EXPRESS]

with a zone screening tool for threads as I have suggested, you could make your own definition with a "thread filter". or at least you would find someone in your zone/area more quickly to discuss. As far as educational, yes I agree it is more educational to read all posts here. But I doubt most new hobbyists want to be educated to that extent right off. Being able to identify palms that they cannot grow anyway as seedlings is not a priority for some, Im sure. Most start out wanting to know about growing palms in their gardens. Later on, perhaps some of these develop a passion for an education about palms in general. If education is the goal of IPS, it might be useful to consider that not all want to be broadly educated before they can successfully grow palms in their area. It might be that, for some, the education happens more gradually, after developing a passion that can in some cases only develop fully after successful experiences in the garden. It could be that IPS/palmtalk caters to the more experienced crowd and other boards to gardeners that just like to grow some palms in their gardens...

So we could call this separate thread the "kiddy pool" and once these hobbyists learn to "swim" they can ease their ways into the Discussing palms worldwide thread. lol but seriously good point.

[LJG]

How does it work at huge forums now? My mountain biking forums have over 100 places to start new threads. People figure it out.

And I hate those hundred topic forums.

For information on all kinds of topics, and to keep up on how other forums operate, I visit a ton of forums. And even though I know how to glean information from them, I hate the ones that have dozens and dozens of sub-forums. The first thing I do is look for the 2 or 3 sub_forums that have the most posts.. And then if I ask a question there it is usually moved to where the mod thinks it should have been posted. If I end up using the forum again (or regularly) I do eventually learn how they run things and where my questions should be posted. But I find it irritating to have to study the layout of a forum before my posts stay where I put them.

So that is why I asked the question you still haven't answered. Where do topics on cold hardy genera go? Do I move them all to a Cold Hardy Forum? I do I have to make an executive decision as to if they are what a cold hardy crowd is interested in? Or do I just ignore them and let "people figure it out." I know it must appear to the casual user that topics are just automatically finding their way to the proper forums now. I only wish it happened that way.

But we will have an answer for you soon. Two more committee members to hear from still.

Dean, your personal beliefs on larger forums doesn't stop the fact they have hundreds of thousands of members. So it doesn't seem to stop all those people from joining and figuring it out.

As far as your question I think you dig are digging too deep into things. Leave them. Who really cares? New post go in the new section and old post stay. If someone adds one to a wrong forum, leave it too. Does it really matter?

Again, I dont care what the PTC does in regards to this. I will enjoy PT all the same. As seen by many members here that resist change, I know some of those PTC members (not you, I know your struggles to get new things approved ) will do the same. My question would then be - why not try new things to fix the obvious issues surrounding membership with the IPS? Baby steps are better than sitting on your hands. When I see hundreds of posters on cold hardy forums that are not here I want to know how I can get them over here.

Of course not every new thing works. In this case if it did not work, the fix would be simple to sweep all those threads in the new forum and put them back to the regualr forum and close it up.

[PALM MOD]

OK - enough of this topic in this thread. I pinned a topic with the PT Committee response and some suggestions, etc. here.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/35889-cold-hardy-forum-request/

[Texeltropics]

If you search for "cold hardy" you may even find a picture of Esther ice skating in Holland!

Ken, believe me..you dont want to see me ice skating ...lol

[Ken Johnson]

I hope everyone that has joined IPAC can now see how this can work. Ideas come out, they get passed around a little, the PalmTalk Committee gets stimulated and work towards a solution begins.

Next?

[PANGEA EXPRESS]

ok next topic.

I think Plamtalk needs a Youtube channel. Or some other way to collectively gather palm related videos and make them readily accessible. There are alot of cool palm videos on youtube, many by members here. We could have Biennial videos, garden videos, how to videos, etc all uploaded by members or submitted to a Mod to upload idk. Or maybe even a video companion of the palms journal that would enhance the journal.

A Palmtalk youtube channel would be a great way to get this forum more attention and to educate the masses.

Lots of cool options and opportunities with this idea.

[PALM MOD]

ok next topic.

I think Plamtalk needs a Youtube channel. Or some other way to collectively gather palm related videos and make them readily accessible. There are alot of cool palm videos on youtube, many by members here. We could have Biennial videos, garden videos, how to videos, etc all uploaded by members or submitted to a Mod to upload idk. Or maybe even a video companion of the palms journal that would enhance the journal.

A Palmtalk youtube channel would be a great way to get this forum more attention and to educate the masses.

Lots of cool options and opportunities with this idea.

We have a gallery here already. But nobody uses it. I can enable it to accept videos and each user could have their own "channel" right here on PT - absent the ads and links to other irrelevant videos. If we had a YouTube channel, each video would first have to be sent to a Mod to review and then uploaded - a lot of extra 'back and forth' of large files. I doubt the IPS would want to allow (if it's even possible) free for all uploading of video to their channel.

[PANGEA EXPRESS]

ok next topic.

I think Plamtalk needs a Youtube channel. Or some other way to collectively gather palm related videos and make them readily accessible. There are alot of cool palm videos on youtube, many by members here. We could have Biennial videos, garden videos, how to videos, etc all uploaded by members or submitted to a Mod to upload idk. Or maybe even a video companion of the palms journal that would enhance the journal.

A Palmtalk youtube channel would be a great way to get this forum more attention and to educate the masses.

Lots of cool options and opportunities with this idea.

We have a gallery here already. But nobody uses it. I can enable it to accept videos and each user could have their own "channel" right here on PT - absent the ads and links to other irrelevant videos. If we had a YouTube channel, each video would first have to be sent to a Mod to review and then uploaded - a lot of extra 'back and forth' of large files. I doubt the IPS would want to allow (if it's even possible) free for all uploading of video to their channel.

Think of it not just as a way to share videos but also as a marketing tool for IPS/Palmtalk. Hundreds of millions of people use youtube, thousands use palmtalk. If we get our name out there with some cool videos people will visit and research IPS/palmtalk. MORE MEMBERS!

No offense but the gallery is kinda funky, so i think that might deter users. Youtube is a site designed for easy access to videos. Making an IPS channel would be simple and streamlined allowing for easy sharing, organizing and education.

I agree a moderator would have to be running things. But youtube already filters out nudity and copyrighted material. So that kinda limits stuff we dont want on the channel.

[PANGEA EXPRESS]

Heres a link to the options for a Non profit youtube channel, even has a donate button

http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits

[PALM MOD]

ok next topic.

I think Plamtalk needs a Youtube channel. Or some other way to collectively gather palm related videos and make them readily accessible. There are alot of cool palm videos on youtube, many by members here. We could have Biennial videos, garden videos, how to videos, etc all uploaded by members or submitted to a Mod to upload idk. Or maybe even a video companion of the palms journal that would enhance the journal.

A Palmtalk youtube channel would be a great way to get this forum more attention and to educate the masses.

Lots of cool options and opportunities with this idea.

We have a gallery here already. But nobody uses it. I can enable it to accept videos and each user could have their own "channel" right here on PT - absent the ads and links to other irrelevant videos. If we had a YouTube channel, each video would first have to be sent to a Mod to review and then uploaded - a lot of extra 'back and forth' of large files. I doubt the IPS would want to allow (if it's even possible) free for all uploading of video to their channel.

Think of it not just as a way to share videos but also as a marketing tool for IPS/Palmtalk. Hundreds of millions of people use youtube, thousands use palmtalk. If we get our name out there with some cool videos people will visit and research IPS/palmtalk. MORE MEMBERS!

No offense but the gallery is kinda funky, so i think that might deter users. Youtube is a site designed for easy access to videos. Making an IPS channel would be simple and streamlined allowing for easy sharing, organizing and education.

I agree a moderator would have to be running things. But youtube already filters out nudity and copyrighted material. So that kinda limits stuff we dont want on the channel.

Well, the Gallery is a newer add-on and has already improved quite a bit. But I agree, it could use more improvement, which I'm sure will be forthcoming. You lose a lot of control on YouTube, and I don't think there is anyway to avoid the ads and links to videos that the IPS would find offensive.

At any rate, if it isn't to be hosted on PT, then this is a suggestion that should probably be proposed and taken up by the Marketing Committee (I forget the official name). But FYI - the IPS would need a lot more filtering than just nudity and copyrighted material.

[PANGEA EXPRESS]

ok next topic.

I think Plamtalk needs a Youtube channel. Or some other way to collectively gather palm related videos and make them readily accessible. There are alot of cool palm videos on youtube, many by members here. We could have Biennial videos, garden videos, how to videos, etc all uploaded by members or submitted to a Mod to upload idk. Or maybe even a video companion of the palms journal that would enhance the journal.

A Palmtalk youtube channel would be a great way to get this forum more attention and to educate the masses.

Lots of cool options and opportunities with this idea.

We have a gallery here already. But nobody uses it. I can enable it to accept videos and each user could have their own "channel" right here on PT - absent the ads and links to other irrelevant videos. If we had a YouTube channel, each video would first have to be sent to a Mod to review and then uploaded - a lot of extra 'back and forth' of large files. I doubt the IPS would want to allow (if it's even possible) free for all uploading of video to their channel.

Think of it not just as a way to share videos but also as a marketing tool for IPS/Palmtalk. Hundreds of millions of people use youtube, thousands use palmtalk. If we get our name out there with some cool videos people will visit and research IPS/palmtalk. MORE MEMBERS!

No offense but the gallery is kinda funky, so i think that might deter users. Youtube is a site designed for easy access to videos. Making an IPS channel would be simple and streamlined allowing for easy sharing, organizing and education.

I agree a moderator would have to be running things. But youtube already filters out nudity and copyrighted material. So that kinda limits stuff we dont want on the channel.

Well, the Gallery is a newer add-on and has already improved quite a bit. But I agree, it could use more improvement, which I'm sure will be forthcoming. You lose a lot of control on YouTube, and I don't think there is anyway to avoid the ads and links to videos that the IPS would find offensive.

At any rate, if it isn't to be hosted on PT, then this is a suggestion that should probably be proposed and taken up by the Marketing Committee (I forget the official name). But FYI - the IPS would need a lot more filtering than just nudity and copyrighted material.

If IPS/palmtalk can have an official Facebook page than there should be no problem with a youtube.

Im looking at the Facebook page now and i see multiple adds and links that are completely unrelated to anything palmy.

Im not suggesting a complete free for all of videos. Maybe just a few unloaders who would upload interesting videos of gardens, biennials, and anything related to or representing IPS.

These videos would definitely attract attention and could result in some needed growth of the IPS.

You must see the potential?

[PALM MOD]

Again Eric - not my dept. The problem is there is no FaceBook or social media dept. - mostly because the participation has been so minor and most Directors don't visit or have a clue what it's all about.

The IPS has stressed to PalmTalk that, among other things, that they want control of their content, want nothing political, religious, sexually provocative, libelous, or even controversial. They want nobody advertising or selling anything who is not an IPS Member. And this is not going to happen on the social media sites. If the use of these sites ever became as busy as PT, they eventually will have to decide if the same standards apply, and that will be difficult to maintain. As it is now, it is virtually unregulated, with no real rules and guidelines - something that PalmTalk has been beaten over the head to comply with.

Of course there is potential, but like Twitter which is becoming increasingly subject to porn and filthy language - moderating something that is not yours, and that you don't have total control over, can be difficult. And maintaining security and privacy is another important consideration. I know it is a constant struggle here to do all these things and keep the site "clean" and unoffensive for everyone.

[_Keith]

Said what I had to say in this thread. I am done.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/35889-cold-hardy-forum-request/#entry563946

[PANGEA EXPRESS]

[Texeltropics]

and Facebook is a good idea. I have a several Facebookpages.

People that hardly use Facebook are usually very negative about it. Just let someone that uses FB a lot be responsable for what happens. Its just the same as a forum. If people put theire porn, religious etc stories there....he/she is out... Same with people that advertice. Facebook is just the same. I think as a society you have to be open for new modern things. A lot...almost everyone

uses Facebook. I think you can attract a lot of people on facebook for the IPS.

Twitter is something else...i use it too. But its difficult to moderate..

For my job i had to follow some lessons about social media. And its the cheapest, easiest, way to get peoples attention!

[PALM MOD]

Said what I had to say in this thread. I am done.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/35889-cold-hardy-forum-request/#entry563946

Keith,

Instead of reasoning that, "You are wasting your breath on getting a cold hardy forum......the Zone 10+ people are always the first to crush the idea." --- I would suggest better reasoning would be "You are wasting your breath on getting the 'Discussing Palms Worldwide' forum split up, for any reason."

If you wanted a separate understory palm forum, or a separate drought tolerant forum, or an interior palms forum, or a separate pinnate/palmate forum, a heat tolerant desert forum....... or a cold-hardy forum - they would have all been rejected for the same reason. The present Committee Members simply do not want to fragment the Main Palm Forum. It has nothing to do with being anti-cold hardy. It has everything to do with wanting all people discussing all palms as one.

[Ken Johnson]

There is a party Friday night at Montgomery before the sale.

[Ken Johnson]

Just sayin

[Mandrew968]

There is a party Friday night at Montgomery before the sale.

Really? We clear that with Patrick?

[Ken Johnson]

There is a party Friday night at Montgomery before the sale.

Really? We clear that with Patrick?

That's funny Droid...we do this every year but I have not been to one in a while. This year I am running it. Well now that you asked maybe you can help too. We will have free beer and wine plus snack food and soda.

Sound like something fun? Plus if you are a paid member you get to preview the sale and maybe even work a deal in for a much sought after palm?

[Ken Johnson]

I understand that there will be a cold hardy post started and the idea behind it is to keep bumping it so it stays on the front page. Each bumper must have a picture.

lol

[sonoranfans]

"If
you wanted a separate understory palm forum, or a separate drought
tolerant forum, or an interior palms forum, or a separate
pinnate/palmate forum, a heat tolerant desert forum....... or a
cold-hardy forum - they would have all been rejected for the same
reason. The present Committee Members simply do not want to fragment the
Main Palm Forum. It has nothing to do with being anti-cold hardy. It
has everything to do with wanting all people discussing all palms as
one."

I the realilty is that the market tells you what people want. I am unaware of ANY of these forum suggestions existing on the internet, except cold hardy. Why is that? Its because there is a demand, obviously. When a demand exists and you do not fill it, someone else will, its really quite simple.

[PALM MOD]

"If

you wanted a separate understory palm forum, or a separate drought

tolerant forum, or an interior palms forum, or a separate

pinnate/palmate forum, a heat tolerant desert forum....... or a

cold-hardy forum - they would have all been rejected for the same

reason. The present Committee Members simply do not want to fragment the

Main Palm Forum. It has nothing to do with being anti-cold hardy. It

has everything to do with wanting all people discussing all palms as

one."

I the realilty is that the market tells you what people want. I am unaware of ANY of these forum suggestions existing on the internet, except cold hardy. Why is that? Its because there is a demand, obviously. When a demand exists and you do not fill it, someone else will, its really quite simple.

Your point is well taken. And there is no question that IF we decided to have palm sub-forums, Cold Hardy would be the first, as it holds the most interest.

[Ken Johnson]

Well I see IPAC members have got a cold hardy forum going thanks to their work to push IPS. Good job everyone. I hope it works but don't worry if it does not. We can continue to come up with ideas to help PalmTalk and to build membership not only here but at IPS too!

[Ken Johnson]

I have been gauging reactions to the IPAC efforts and most member are happy so far. There are still some interesting questions about our future. It would be interesting if Dean were to come up with some new ways to make posting photos and movies easier for example. Even if it costs a few dollars more we can swing it because PalmTalk earns money for IPS. It would be hard for the Directors to forget about that when approving spending. Just saying...

[PALM MOD]

I have been gauging reactions to the IPAC efforts and most member are happy so far. There are still some interesting questions about our future. It would be interesting if Dean were to come up with some new ways to make posting photos and movies easier for example. Even if it costs a few dollars more we can swing it because PalmTalk earns money for IPS. It would be hard for the Directors to forget about that when approving spending. Just saying...

Not up to me, not is it an issue of money - that is all defined by the software. But presently it takes me one click to upload a handful of pics using the Flash Uploader, so not sure how much easier it could be.

Re: uploading from mobile devices - that does need improvement. The latest Forum software update states that they are still working on a whole new experience for mobile. They have abandoned the app route and are pursuing something I am not totally familiar with. It is supposed to debut within 6 months.

And video: the best way is still using a hosted account like You Tube. And it can't get much easier than that.

[_Keith]

I have been gauging reactions to the IPAC efforts and most member are happy so far. There are still some interesting questions about our future. It would be interesting if Dean were to come up with some new ways to make posting photos and movies easier for example. Even if it costs a few dollars more we can swing it because PalmTalk earns money for IPS. It would be hard for the Directors to forget about that when approving spending. Just saying...

Not up to me, not is it an issue of money - that is all defined by the software. But presently it takes me one click to upload a handful of pics using the Flash Uploader, so not sure how much easier it could be.

Re: uploading from mobile devices - that does need improvement. The latest Forum software update states that they are still working on a whole new experience for mobile. They have abandoned the app route and are pursuing something I am not totally familiar with. It is supposed to debut within 6 months.

And video: the best way is still using a hosted account like You Tube. And it can't get much easier than that.

Dean, I have not tried the new Flash Uploader. Does it resize the photos automatically on the upload? It was having to resize photos that was always the pain for my lazy rear.

[Ken Johnson]

Hmmm. We all can learn something here on PalmTalk every time we log in. I remember the flash uploader but i changed it IDK why but now I will look for it and try again.