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Trithrinax schizophylla

Geoff

By Geoff
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Geoff Mentor

Geoff

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Not sure why this palm is not more available... only seen one for sale once, so i got it... Never seen a mature palm... or at least I don't think I have . Below is a photo of a larger plant (about 4' tall) growing in the San Diego Botanical Gardens... yet to me it says Trithrinax campestris all over it... maybe I just don't have any experience at identifying T schizophylla.... below that photo is my own photo of my seedling, now over a foot tall (got as a once leaf seedling 8 years ago, so not too bad....?)

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yachtingone Grand Master

yachtingone

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Goeff,

Campestris not pointy

Schizophilla very pointy! It will poke to make one bleed easily!

Randy

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George Sparkman Veteran

George Sparkman

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Goeff,

Campestris not pointy

Schizophilla very pointy! It will poke to make one bleed easily!

Randy

I will pass this information on to my workers Randy. They will be thrilled that T.campestris is not pointy and they are not being poked thru the gloves.

But really, I am pretty sure the stiffer leaves of the T.campestris make it more difficult to deal with compared to the longer and more flexable leaves of T.schizophylla (I am just going off Geoff's pictures and descriptions in publications).

Happy growing,

George Sparkman

Cycads-n-Palms.com

Alberto Grand Master

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The seedlings of my T, schyzophilaa (seeds from gaston) show at this stage a very similar plant to my T. campestris.............

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Phoenikakias Grand Master

Phoenikakias

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Campestris not pointy?!?!?! Show me please such a specimen! My campestris is simply lethal. The undisputed champion in palm's world as far as leaflet tips are concerned. Next follows the Phoenix theophrastii.

gyuseppe Grand Master

gyuseppe

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I had a Trithrinax schizophylla, very slow growth
I said I had ,because my dog one day dug with legs :(
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Phoenikakias Grand Master

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I had a Trithrinax schizophylla, very slow growth
I said I had ,because my dog one day dug with legs :(

If this was the only casualty you are a very lucky dog owner Giuseppe. My dogs have been urinating near three of my palms, which led ultimately to their demise in combination of having previously used a 4 month instead of a 6 month slow releaser. Trachycarpus oreophilus, Pritchardia hillebrandii and a Brahea (last one may still have some chances to recover) are dog victims.

Alberto Grand Master

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One of my T.schyzophilla that was planted out last year

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

palm student Contributor

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I hope someone decides what the actual difference is between a Trithrinax Schyzophilla ( which I didn't know existed until now) and a T. Campestris which I have had for years --too long in a pot but now planted. It is very pointy on the ends of the leaves.

Charles, Thank you for the link to the 2006 discussion about Trithrinax.

It has been sad to learn that Dick Douglas recently passed away.

Suzanne Rowlands

yachtingone Grand Master

yachtingone

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sorry for my brain fart! just reverse what I said... :mrlooney:

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Phoenikakias Grand Master

Phoenikakias

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One of my T.schyzophilla that was planted out last year

Alberto your Schizophylla has not yet split segments! BTW how one should pronounce Schizophylla maybe like "schizo" :mrlooney: ?

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Geoff Mentor

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So then... all the botanical gardens and all the palm enthusiasts in Southern California that have been growing Tritrhinax campestris for over 40 years have been stabbed thousands of times, sold and shown off their plants, were actually growing Trithrinax schizophylla all this time? Because I can tell you, as one above already commented, this plant we have been calling Tritrinax campestris is easily the most dangerous of all palms in southern California... leaves can penetrate even soft shoes, not to mention gardening gloves, pants and, of course, fingers. Phoenix theophrastii is a close second in terms of dangerously pointy leaflets, but cannot compare to the overall stiffness and lance-like quality of these lethal leaves. It seems all the books I have on palms have it wrong, too, as their photos of T campestris match our plants... hmmmm... this is hard to believe, but I know worse mistakes in palm identification have happened before (though this would be one of the top bungles)... I have always been under the impression that T campestris- danger! T schizophylla, not pointy... it is a coincidence that this plant I just got as a seedling shown above fits my own description (in my head) of T schizophylla as it is not a lethal plant... even small seedlings of T campestris (or what we have all thought of as T campestris) are lethal.

Below are just some of the photos I have taken of what I assumed (and what the botanical gardens have identified (two different gardens represented below) as well as prominent so Cal palm IPS members (5 different members represented) have assumed as well) to be Trithrinax campestris... all without fail have incredibly, painfully pointed leaflets. Only the plant in the San Diego garden, which exactly matches these palms below, is labeled as T schizophylla... so only this botanical garden got it right and all the rest got it wrong? Amazing.

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Stevetoad Grand Master

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I have 2 t.schizophylla one in the ground and the other still in a pot (not sure if ill plant it or not). The tips don't seem sharp at all. My father in law has campestris that are scary sharp.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Mandrew968 Grand Master

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Geoff, I think a couple of the pics in your last post are regular Euros...

Stevetoad Grand Master

Stevetoad

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Geoff, I think a couple of the pics in your last post are regular Euros...

Which ones? The only one that looks a little like chamaerops to me is photo 4 but the flowers are spot on for trithrinax.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Mandrew968 Grand Master

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Geoff, I think a couple of the pics in your last post are regular Euros...

Which ones? The only one that looks a little like chamaerops to me is photo 4 but the flowers are spot on for trithrinax.

4 and 10--where do you see flowers in the number 4 photo, Steve?

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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Geoff, I think a couple of the pics in your last post are regular Euros...

Which ones? The only one that looks a little like chamaerops to me is photo 4 but the flowers are spot on for trithrinax.

4 and 10--where do you see flowers in the number 4 photo, Steve?

Just zoomed in on the photos. I see the flower in number 4. maybe it is a Trithrinax--just looks exactly like a Euro and the others don't... Steve, I think you see what I am saying. Maybe it's just variation...

Phoenikakias Grand Master

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I agree with you Andrew, it looks somewhat different, a laxer appearance overall but same seems to be the case in number 11.

tank Grand Master

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One of my T.schyzophilla that was planted out last year

Alberto, your T. schyzophilla does not look at all like mine at a similar stage. Mine has a look similar to Geof's 3rd picture in the 1st post. Is there quite a bit of variation in this species, or maybe I have something different? I only have one left after 5 were planted out. They were killed during a very bad freeze (14F low) a couple of years ago. The survivor benefited from some overhead protection. I'll try and post a picture.

Jason

Gainesville, Florida

Mandrew968 Grand Master

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I agree with you Andrew, it looks somewhat different, a laxer appearance overall but same seems to be the case in number 11.

11 is the real deal--just looks stretched from lack of sun.

Stevetoad Grand Master

Stevetoad

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I agree with you Andrew, it looks somewhat different, a laxer appearance overall but same seems to be the case in number 11.

11 is the real deal--just looks stretched from lack of sun.

they all look like the real deal to me. #10 looks to be in some shade too so maybe its a little floppy due to that.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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I agree with you Andrew, it looks somewhat different, a laxer appearance overall but same seems to be the case in number 11.

11 is the real deal--just looks stretched from lack of sun.

they all look like the real deal to me. #10 looks to be in some shade too so maybe its a little floppy due to that.

Maybe(probably) they are all the real deal, but pics 4 and 10 do not look like it--there is noticable differentiation and those resemble Chamaerops more so IMO. I no longer dispute what they are, just that they really looked like Euros to me...

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edric Grand Master

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One of my T.schyzophilla that was planted out last year

Alberto your Schizophylla has not yet split segments! BTW how one should pronounce Schizophylla maybe like "schizo" :mrlooney: ?

Hi Konstantinos, Here's my suggested pronunciation, thanks, Ed

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Trithrinax_schizophylla

MOSQUITO LAGOON

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