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Palm Spacing

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Hammer Grand Master

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I've been looking online at an old issue of Palms Journal that detailed the discovery of Beccariophoenix alfredii. As best I can tell, it says leaf length on a B. alfredii are at least 82 cm long.

A photo in the same article, with a person for scale, looks like the leaf could be as long as 12 feet or more.

Anyone know what the typical length of leaves are on a mature tree? I'm trying space a couple trees so they close but not jammed together. Any insight would be much appreciated.

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NApalm Mentor

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That might be the length of the leaflet from the rachis, if thats the right terms. You know, the middle bit. Haha

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LJG Grand Master

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Last time I measured my Alfredii leaf on a non-mature palm it was at 10 feet. Larger now as seen in picture. My Madagascariensis was 15 feet tall and getting larger each leaf. I think these are the Parajubeas of Madagascar.

<Edit> Anyone know how to flip a photo once loaded? Dean? :)

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Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Mauna Kea Cloudforest Grand Master

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Palms can be planted pretty darn close together without being jammed, well, not all but this one is definitely one of those where more of them together looks better, see the way they grow in their natural habitat. It looks like it has a similar growth habit as parajubaea, and I have some of mine planted literally 2 feet apart.

Last time I measured my Alfredii leaf on a non-mature palm it was at 10 feet. Larger now as seen in picture. My Madagascariensis was 15 feet tall and getting larger each leaf. I think these are the Parajubeas of Madagascar.

Len, I am drooling over your palm, it looks incredible. it is indeed the parajubaea of Madagascar. i am putting three of these in, two in places that I know it will be bullet proof, and one in my frost pit at the bottom of the hill just to see what happens.

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Last time I measured my Alfredii leaf on a non-mature palm it was at 10 feet. Larger now as seen in picture. My Madagascariensis was 15 feet tall and getting larger each leaf. I think these are the Parajubeas of Madagascar.

<Edit> Anyone know how to flip a photo once loaded? Dean? :)

How the heck did you get it to that size so quickly?! So slow here, and not welcome news that they look so much like Parajubaeas.

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LJG Grand Master

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Rich, this was a 15 gallon when planted in Spring of 2008 from the first seed batch brought in. It gets lots of water and fertilizer and has responded well.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Hammer Grand Master

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Adam, I looked at the article, it's the leaf sheath that's at least 82cm long.

You're right. It is the leaf sheath. I looked again. For the life of me, I can't find any reference in the piece about length of a full leaf.

Right now I have them 6 feet apart. I think they may be just a little too close. Not for the tree's sake but for aesthetics.

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Mauna Kea Cloudforest Grand Master

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Last time I measured my Alfredii leaf on a non-mature palm it was at 10 feet. Larger now as seen in picture. My Madagascariensis was 15 feet tall and getting larger each leaf. I think these are the Parajubeas of Madagascar.

<Edit> Anyone know how to flip a photo once loaded? Dean? :)

How the heck did you get it to that size so quickly?! So slow here, and not welcome news that they look so much like Parajubaeas.

The fronds are much more graceful than a parajubaea even if the form is similar. What's wrong with a palm looking similar to a parajubaea?

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Last time I measured my Alfredii leaf on a non-mature palm it was at 10 feet. Larger now as seen in picture. My Madagascariensis was 15 feet tall and getting larger each leaf. I think these are the Parajubeas of Madagascar.

<Edit> Anyone know how to flip a photo once loaded? Dean? :)

DUDE! That thing is a monster. Looking good. How long has the palm been in the ground? Cute kid too.

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Adam, I looked at the article, it's the leaf sheath that's at least 82cm long.

You're right. It is the leaf sheath. I looked again. For the life of me, I can't find any reference in the piece about length of a full leaf.

Right now I have them 6 feet apart. I think they may be just a little too close. Not for the tree's sake but for aesthetics.

Yeah, six feet is a bit close. I have three in a row about that far, and I might move the one in the middle while I still can without a trained lifting elephant.

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Last time I measured my Alfredii leaf on a non-mature palm it was at 10 feet. Larger now as seen in picture. My Madagascariensis was 15 feet tall and getting larger each leaf. I think these are the Parajubeas of Madagascar.

<Edit> Anyone know how to flip a photo once loaded? Dean? :)

How the heck did you get it to that size so quickly?! So slow here, and not welcome news that they look so much like Parajubaeas.

The fronds are much more graceful than a parajubaea even if the form is similar. What's wrong with a palm looking similar to a parajubaea?

Just don't do anything for me. Neither do cocos for that matter. Too fibrous and coarse and lacking a crownshaft I suppose!

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Since the question was never answered, here's what the journal says:

The crown holds 30–36 pinnate leaves, which reach lengths of 4.5 m (15 ft).

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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