Local Arizona Thread

[96720]

@xoRudy there are enough people working there that you don’t need to talk to “shamus”

[96720]

I’ve posted this elsewhere but thought I would share it here my Chambyronia opening a new frond!!!

[bubba]

The Pseudophoenix that Aztropic has pioneered in AZ. have a cleaner, crisper look than those in native Fl/Carribean. Those Royals and others, including but not limited to the C. mac, look great. Makes me want to try a Smokie and the Bandit run to AZ full of goodies.

[96720]

Was up at Greenlife nursery this morning bought me a Pseudophoenix

[xoRudy]

1 hour ago, 96720 said:

Was up at Greenlife nursery this morning bought me a Pseudophoenix

2 for the price of 1? Looks great!

[aztropic]

I thought that double looked kind of neat! Glad you kept them together. Both look very healthy. 😀 

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[96720]

Talked to “Shamus” this morning he is going to join palmtalk so he can see what people want!!

[AZ_Palm_Guy]

2 hours ago, 96720 said:

Talked to “Shamus” this morning he is going to join palmtalk so he can see what people want!!

Maybe when and if he joins we can create an AZ Palm wishlist forum topic so he doesn't have to go through pages/years of comments. Just a thought.

[Desertlife4me]

perhaps as part of this we can create a spreadsheet/list of palms that can be grown in Arizona, heat/sun tolerance, salt tolerance and cold tolerance?

I picked up another Pindo yesterday, local nursery had them on sale, 15 gal for $39, also planted a Areca palm grouping next to the pool house, it will get 2-3 hours of direct overhead sun, then shade after 2 o clock or so. 

I really need to make a trip to Phoenix to get some mule palms and a Pseudophoenix or two

 

[aztropic]

Royal poinciana trees are awakening! Blooms in another 5 or 6 weeks... 😄 

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[96720]

I just planted 2 last Sunday planning on planting another tomorrow hope they grow good!!

[aztropic]

Very fast growers here! 3 feet per year or more,once they are established. 

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[AZ_Palm_Guy]

Summer in AZ is in full effect. I was able to finally open up some date palm transplants. Thankfully little to no shock and they are starting to push new growth. 

[aztropic]

Noticed the first of thousands of Royal poinciana flowers open today. Also,Arenga engleri orange flowers getting ready to pop. Looks like a very showy season ahead!

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[96720]

Does Arenga engleri grow here what conditions does it require 

[Silas_Sancona]

10 minutes ago, 96720 said:

Does Arenga engleri grow here what conditions does it require 

Scott should be able to tell you how larger ones might do, but have two i started from seed ( collected &  started in FL ) that have done fine here ..albeit probably a bit slower than they could grow if planted in the ground ..and i watered them more.

Mine are in a mostly grit soil mix, and kept in shifting shade, esp. this time of year.  I let them do their thing ..though they may go into 5gals sometime before next winter.

[aztropic]

44 minutes ago, 96720 said:

Does Arenga engleri grow here what conditions does it require 

It grows just fine here,but does best on a northern or eastern exposure,or even full shade. It definitely will just burn up in all day Arizona sunshine. This is a clustering species,which is good,because once a stem flowers,it usually dies within 2 years. I started a batch of these from seed about 10 years ago. Planted 2 in the yard,and already sold off the rest as 5 gallon plants. Flowers are a very bright orange and fragrant,the scent reminding me of juicyfruit gum.

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[aztropic]

Royal poinciana trees are now in full bloom! Always catches passer by's eyes...

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[AZ_Palm_Guy]

Went to visit family this past weekend in NM. Ended up finding some sabals for sale at a local nursery in El Paso, TX which caught me by surprise. Ended up snagging up one. Also took some photos of palms at my parents house that have been in the ground for over 20+ years and have survived multiple freezes.

[96720]

Bum deal my Nannorrhops is blooming maybe I will get some seeds 

[xoRudy]

My little front yard looks right from this angle 

[Garcia3]

What variety of Plumeria is that? Is it strongly fragrant? That bismark blue is stunning against all that green, and that Lisa looks happy!

[xoRudy]

4 hours ago, Garcia3 said:

What variety of Plumeria is that? Is it strongly fragrant? That bismark blue is stunning against all that green, and that Lisa looks happy!

To be honest, I have no clue what variety my plumeria is. I know that it flowers white and yellow lol love the Bismarckia in the desert, it’s my favorite palm

[aztropic]

Plumerias are poppin in AZ! Here's a couple of mine.

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[AZ_Palm_Guy]

Another great weekend and another great haul. Got myself a couple of Blues from a local grower. Time to add a little more color to the yard.

[aztropic]

1 hour ago, AZ_Palm_Guy said:

Another great weekend and another great haul. Got myself a couple of Blues from a local grower. Time to add a little more color to the yard.

Excellent choice for our desert conditions! Rarer than Bismarcks now. They are slow growers; maybe a third to half as fast as Bismarckia. I just started a new batch from seed last summer... 

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[DesertCoconut]

I'm enjoying all the new activity on this thread! So I wanted to get some advice. I have this Livistona Decora I've grown from seed and it's getting to a nice size now and picking up speed. Any experienced AZ growers of this one? From what I've read they can take more sun than chinensis. Which is odd since you see chinensis being sold here all of the time, but the only one I ever tried burned and died.

 

[aztropic]

Nothing to worry about with a ribbon palm. It will withstand anything the desert can throw at it. A local nursery (tree land) has mature seeding examples planted in full,all day,western exposure that have been there forever.

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[AZ_Palm_Guy]

On 6/11/2023 at 2:12 PM, aztropic said:

Excellent choice for our desert conditions! Rarer than Bismarcks now. They are slow growers; maybe a third to half as fast as Bismarckia. I just started a new batch from seed last summer... 

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

Yes it is! It is pretty difficult to find a size that is not too small but not too big! And I know they are super slow but definitely a beautiful palm. And very nice! Continuing future generations of Mexican blues!

[bubba]

Love that lack of humidity! You are just beginning to hit your potential as pioneers begin to widen the Palm landscape!

[DesertCoconut]

First trim of my 4 year old double Medemia Argun! I love this plant. I really hope I got a male and female. I would love to distribute some of these seeds around Phoenix someday.

[96720]

I can’t believe yours is that big in 4 years mine is much older than that and you have to take out a magnifying glass to find it!!

[RANN]

 I am wondering if there is a thread on Palmtalk Arizona where we can see pictures of all types of “ new start” palms growing. How are we able to identify new seedlings? 
In my yard and nearby, besides the Mexican or California fan,  Pindo,  Mediterranean date,  Pygmy,  (Majesty and Bismarck - no seeds yet), do they all look the same as seedlings? I can’t save all of them because I’m sure most of them are Mexican fans so it would be nice to reference a chart. Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks in advance!

[aztropic]

1 hour ago, RANN said:

 I am wondering if there is a thread on Palmtalk Arizona where we can see pictures of all types of “ new start” palms growing. How are we able to identify new seedlings? 
In my yard and nearby, besides the Mexican or California fan,  Pindo,  Mediterranean date,  Pygmy,  (Majesty and Bismarck - no seeds yet), do they all look the same as seedlings? I can’t save all of them because I’m sure most of them are Mexican fans so it would be nice to reference a chart. Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks in advance!

You can't just grab any seedling,and be sure you have identified it correctly...  Soo many palm seedlings look EXACTLY the same. Take the species Coccothrinax for example. You could plant seeds of 30 different Coccothrinax species. If you didn't label them when planted,it could take 5 years or more of growing before you noticed  any actual differences between the 30 biologically different plants. Even then,you still may not be able to identify them correctly. 🤷‍♂️ 

Here are 2 community pots of seedlings for you to compare. The left bucket is Washingtonia species. The right bucket is Chamaerops species. Maybe different shades of green,otherwise,they look identical to me... 🤷‍♂️ 

That's why it's so important to label everything you plant. If it's something that just popped up in your yard that you didn't plant,it's anybody's guess as to what it could be until it develops some character leaves after a few years of growing. If you can retrieve the original seed from the sprout,it definitely helps to give a general ID.

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[RANN]

Thank you. I was afraid that might be the case. I will, however, be more observant of the seed when I lift from the ground!

[RANN]

Aztropic, I am back to seek more info regarding a King Palm (archontophoenix cunnunghamiana).  I posted this on a different thread so I apologize if you see it twice. I love the look of this palm and would like to know if you grow this? I’d love to know all the specifics to growing this palm and if it  does grows here when is the best to plant. 
Thanks again for your help in advance!

[96720]

I’m not aztropic but have tried to grow more than my normal 3 and done with this palm!! One of the hardest palms to grow in Phoenix even in dense shade they do not like any sun even the one jungle music says is so tuff doesn’t grow here!!!

[aztropic]

2 hours ago, RANN said:

Aztropic, I am back to seek more info regarding a King Palm (archontophoenix cunnunghamiana).  I posted this on a different thread so I apologize if you see it twice. I love the look of this palm and would like to know if you grow this? I’d love to know all the specifics to growing this palm and if it  does grows here when is the best to plant. 
Thanks again for your help in advance!

I DO grow king palms,but like Don says,they are not the best choice to grow in the ground in Arizona. They DO require full shade with only early morning sun. They DO love tons of water too. That being said,I had one planted in the ground for 20 years, growing up through an orange tree. Once it finally outgrew the canopy of the orange tree though,the fronds would get burned off every summer,until the tree finally gave up. If you absolutely have to grow a king palm,it would be best done,in a decorative ceramic pot, under the shade of a patio cover in AZ. Here's an example of some I have in pots. I grow them in half day sun,until temps hit 105F,then they get moved to more shade. As you can see, that is their extreme limit as the fronds have already started to burn. 

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

[Silas_Sancona]

2 hours ago, aztropic said:

I DO grow king palms,but like Don says,they are not the best choice to grow in the ground in Arizona. They DO require full shade with only early morning sun. They DO love tons of water too. That being said,I had one planted in the ground for 20 years, growing up through an orange tree. Once it finally outgrew the canopy of the orange tree though,the fronds would get burned off every summer,until the tree finally gave up. If you absolutely have to grow a king palm,it would be best done,in a decorative ceramic pot, under the shade of a patio cover in AZ. Here's an example of some I have in pots. I grow them in half day sun,until temps hit 105F,then they get moved to more shade. As you can see, that is their extreme limit as the fronds have already started to burn. 

 

aztropic

Mesa, Arizona 

Agree w/ Scott.. Kings can survive here while in shade, if you keep them watered.. Once in sun,  you can almost hear them fry.. Had brought a bunch of King X Alexander seedlings i'd started while still in FL. Fried by mid - summer after the move here.. Even in shade, and watered well.

  As far as Feather- type Palm options, Royals, Mules, and Buccaneers ( Pseudophoenix sargentii ) would be the 3 types which seem to tolerate our flavor of full sun / heat the best.

Should mention:  I did ok with both Chambeyronia oliviformis ..and the standard Flame Thrower ( C. macrocarpa )... in containers,  in the shade of a large Mesquite for awhile here in Chandler though.

Assuming ..Scott can correct me if wrong..  they'd probably fry too once reaching into full sun though.

[96720]

I’m surprised about how many palms grow here if you give them shade C.macrocarpa, Dypsis prestoniana, Dypsis leptocheilos, I know the new name isn’t Dypsis but that’s the easiest to spell I also have a Pinanga coronata that is doing surprisingly well we will see after our next 2 weeks or so above 110!!! Almost forgot also a Dypsis hovomantsina!!!