Pictures of a Roystonea Regia in Athens, Greece

[greekpalm]

on the sidewalk, in normal redish soil ...

no idea how old it is ... any idea?

seems to look happy where it is

[sonoranfans]

no way to tell how old it is because you don't know if its was container grown for years, stunting it. In florida that palm is ~ 5-7 years from seed. In a warm Mediterranean climate it may be 10 years old. But it looks healthy, good even spacing of the rings, looks like it will grow to be a nice big palm if its taken care of(water,fert) and it doesn't see a nasty winter...

Edited July 1, 2013 by sonoranfans

[dalmatiansoap]

Great find!

[DoomsDave]

Wow, that's great!

R. regia will take a lot more cold than they're credited for, providing that the cold spells are few and far between.

As for how old that one in Greece is, it's hard to say, for the reasons mentioned above.

That said, assuming good care all along (it does not appear stunted in any way) I'd say it's about 4-5 years old. If they're kept well watered, they're rockets in a Med clime, too.

The specimen below, in La Habra, CA, is about 10-11 years old from seed. It was a finger-sized baby when it was planted in October of 2004. I give it a lot of water, every week in the summer.

[basilios]

This must be the roystonea of Voula (or Glyfada?)...if it is, then it hasn't grown that much since 2009 that I saw it, but I imagine that this is due to underwatering and total lack of fertilizer. It looks very healthy though.

I'm very curious to see how it will take the next big cold spell that inevitably will come some day in the next few years and I would really like to know if it was at the same spot back in February 2008, when all that area was covered with snow for almost 2 days and the nightime lows reached a record breaking -4C (25F). If it was indeed there, then we have a champion.

Edited July 1, 2013 by basilios

[DoomsDave]

This must be the roystonea of Voula (or Glyfada?)...if it is, then it hasn't grown that much since 2009 that I saw it, but I imagine that this is due to underwatering and total lack of fertilizer. It looks very healthy though.

I'm very curious to see how it will take the next big cold spell that inevitably will come some day in the next few years and I would really like to know if it was at the same spot back in February 2008, when all that area was covered with snow for almost 2 days and the nightime lows reached a record breaking -4C (25F). If it was indeed there, then we have a champion.

My big monster withstood four solid nights of 24.9 F, or -4 C in January 2007. It was about the same size as the one in Greece at the time. It got nipped, but came through well.

[basilios]

Roystoneas (especially regias) turn out to be much tougher than it was once thought. I strongly believe that they could grow really well all over coastal southern Greece, where even the coldest spells usually generate lows just below freezing, and they occur very rarely.

[Kostas]

Very nice Manolis,great to see an updated picture of it!

How are your R. regia(Florida geographic variety) doing?

Dave,great to hear such info! I wouldnt have thought your garden has seen such temperatures with such long of a duration with the variety of the palms you are growing to perfection!

I planted 2 R. regia(Florida) seedlings in my garden last fall,one died(cold damage then rot) but the other that had big Arum maculatum's towering over it(frost protection),did fine. Will be growing my others up some and hopefully plant 4 total in my garden,love the look!

[Daryl]

That looks nice and healthy...better than the Queen palm next to it and better than my Royals in Queensland!

Daryl

[Phoenikakias]

That looks nice and healthy...better than the Queen palm next to it and better than my Royals in Queensland!

Daryl

Very observative, I can confirm it.

[Kostas]

I went touring around in Voula and found it! Here is an updated photo of the palm taken mid-March

[Phoenikakias]

Shame that it has such a small bowl of free space available around its thunk's base. There will come a day, maybe has already arrived, that watering and fertilizing through this bowl will be inadequate.

[Alicehunter2000]

Nice, may have to give it a go here....then pray for a string of warm winters.

[DoomsDave]

Nice, may have to give it a go here....then pray for a string of warm winters.

I know they plant them in JAX, though they're borderline there.

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

I went touring around in Voula and found it! Here is an updated photo of the palm taken mid-March

Hey! So we can confirm some theory in this forum.

This year what temperature arrived in Athens. I know that it snowed and also it frozed. Remember the day from the temp. chart on the "Winter 2015 in South Europe" ? What arrived in Athens, -2ºC or -1ºC?? If yes, this palmy stand at least a light freeze, which is very impressing thinking that it's a Roystonea. This shows your theory on the thread "Med palms" because as you said R. are hardier than Howeas. I least I think this so. Howeas grow on Lord Howe... the lowest recorded there what is, 8ºC? Instead Howeas are grown very largely during Florida even in 10a zones of Florida which get light frozens almost every year and they don't suffer very much with the sun of Florida. But what about Howeas, do you even heard of very much amount of Howeas in the north of Florida? Me not, but doing a quick Street View you can see tens of Roystoneas... for me makes me think that Roystonea is hardier.

Looks good that one from Athens! Better than the Syagrus next to it like @Daryl said!

[Janni]

I went touring around in Voula and found it! Here is an updated photo of the palm taken mid-March

Hey! So we can confirm some theory in this forum.

This year what temperature arrived in Athens. I know that it snowed and also it frozed. Remember the day from the temp. chart on the "Winter 2015 in South Europe" ? What arrived in Athens, -2ºC or -1ºC?? If yes, this palmy stand at least a light freeze, which is very impressing thinking that it's a Roystonea. This shows your theory on the thread "Med palms" because as you said R. are hardier than Howeas. I least I think this so. Howeas grow on Lord Howe... the lowest recorded there what is, 8ºC? Instead Howeas are grown very largely during Florida even in 10a zones of Florida which get light frozens almost every year and they don't suffer very much with the sun of Florida. But what about Howeas, do you even heard of very much amount of Howeas in the north of Florida? Me not, but doing a quick Street View you can see tens of Roystoneas... for me makes me think that Roystonea is hardier.

Looks good that one from Athens! Better than the Syagrus next to it like @Daryl said!

I just went through the weather stations located near to that palm. Apparently the temperature in the southern suburbs did not drop that low, although they also dropped very low. One the nearest station has a low record of 0,9°C for this year (weather station Varkiza) and the other has a low of 0,1°C (weather station Anavyssos).

Besides of the record low temperature, I think it is the daily maximum what is limiting the tropical palms in Athens. Cold spells in Athens often are accompanied with very cool daily maximum temperatures. So that is what a palm must survive as well. And obviously that Roystonea is strong enough!

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

I went touring around in Voula and found it! Here is an updated photo of the palm taken mid-March

Hey! So we can confirm some theory in this forum.

This year what temperature arrived in Athens. I know that it snowed and also it frozed. Remember the day from the temp. chart on the "Winter 2015 in South Europe" ? What arrived in Athens, -2ºC or -1ºC?? If yes, this palmy stand at least a light freeze, which is very impressing thinking that it's a Roystonea. This shows your theory on the thread "Med palms" because as you said R. are hardier than Howeas. I least I think this so. Howeas grow on Lord Howe... the lowest recorded there what is, 8ºC? Instead Howeas are grown very largely during Florida even in 10a zones of Florida which get light frozens almost every year and they don't suffer very much with the sun of Florida. But what about Howeas, do you even heard of very much amount of Howeas in the north of Florida? Me not, but doing a quick Street View you can see tens of Roystoneas... for me makes me think that Roystonea is hardier.

Looks good that one from Athens! Better than the Syagrus next to it like @Daryl said!

I just went through the weather stations located near to that palm. Apparently the temperature in the southern suburbs did not drop that low, although they also dropped very low. One the nearest station has a low record of 0,9°C for this year (weather station Varkiza) and the other has a low of 0,1°C (weather station Anavyssos).

Besides of the record low temperature, I think it is the daily maximum what is limiting the tropical palms in Athens. Cold spells in Athens often are accompanied with very cool daily maximum temperatures. So that is what a palm must survive as well. And obviously that Roystonea is strong enough!

Ah! I didn't know. Kostas or Phoenikakias, I don't remember who, said me that climate differences in Athens are quite important depending on the zone, and the station of Athens in Wetterzentrale I think it's at the north part of the city, that one shown -1 or -2. In Melissia arrived to -2ºC I thought in the entire city the temps were below the freezing mark hehe. Ah well if it not arrived to -2ºC I can't say what I've said in my last comment... the thing about the hardiness.

[Phoenikakias]

There are no official weather stations either in Varkiza or in Anavyssos. Those are only amateur private stations connected in the WU net and we know nothing about their equipment. Some thermometers respond faster and other much slower to temperature fluctuation for example. Another private station in Lagonissi (50m fro seashore and almost at sea level) recorded freezing temp during one night (-1 C). Lagonissi lies exactly in the middle between Varkiza and Anavyssos...Some palms are not fussy about mean temps but have a very strict limit of frost tolerance while others demand higher mean temps. Adonidia, Hyophorbe and Wodyetia belong to second group. This particular Roystonea is reported to have survived the cold spell of 2004 on that very same spot.

[Cikas]

Hey! So we can confirm some theory in this forum.

This year what temperature arrived in Athens. I know that it snowed and also it frozed. Remember the day from the temp. chart on the "Winter 2015 in South Europe" ? What arrived in Athens, -2ºC or -1ºC?? If yes, this palmy stand at least a light freeze, which is very impressing thinking that it's a Roystonea. This shows your theory on the thread "Med palms" because as you said R. are hardier than Howeas. I least I think this so. Howeas grow on Lord Howe... the lowest recorded there what is, 8ºC? Instead Howeas are grown very largely during Florida even in 10a zones of Florida which get light frozens almost every year and they don't suffer very much with the sun of Florida. But what about Howeas, do you even heard of very much amount of Howeas in the north of Florida? Me not, but doing a quick Street View you can see tens of Roystoneas... for me makes me think that Roystonea is hardier.

Looks good that one from Athens! Better than the Syagrus next to it like @Daryl said!

Howeas are rare in Florida. They dislike Florida climate.

You will find more info about Howea cold hardiness here.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/3013-howea-forsteriana/

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Hey! So we can confirm some theory in this forum.

This year what temperature arrived in Athens. I know that it snowed and also it frozed. Remember the day from the temp. chart on the "Winter 2015 in South Europe" ? What arrived in Athens, -2ºC or -1ºC?? If yes, this palmy stand at least a light freeze, which is very impressing thinking that it's a Roystonea. This shows your theory on the thread "Med palms" because as you said R. are hardier than Howeas. I least I think this so. Howeas grow on Lord Howe... the lowest recorded there what is, 8ºC? Instead Howeas are grown very largely during Florida even in 10a zones of Florida which get light frozens almost every year and they don't suffer very much with the sun of Florida. But what about Howeas, do you even heard of very much amount of Howeas in the north of Florida? Me not, but doing a quick Street View you can see tens of Roystoneas... for me makes me think that Roystonea is hardier.

Looks good that one from Athens! Better than the Syagrus next to it like @Daryl said!

Howeas are rare in Florida. They dislike Florida climate.

You will find more info about Howea cold hardiness here.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/3013-howea-forsteriana/

I was refering to Roystoneas.

I was wrong, I've made a mistake! You can read "But what about Howeas, do you even heard of very much amount of Howeas in the north of Florida?" this is exactly I was saying, Howeas don't grow very much in Florida. I wanted to say "instead Roystoneas grow largely in Florida, even in 10a zones) not howeas. I've mixed the words howea and roystonea and i've made a mistake . Yep I've don't seen very much Howeas in Florida... instead Florida has thousands of Roystoneas and in a lot of parts grow enormous.

Edited April 30, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[southathens]

Also a station to look out in the extreme south of Attica is the one in Lavrio.

http://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/lavrio/

All time low +0.6C. So Lavrio has never seen air frost since observations began in that area.

 

 

Edited May 30, 2016 by Manos33

[southathens]

Just to add that Anavyssos station (an official NOA station) had an all time minimum of -0.8C and the nearby official NOA station of Vari an all time minimum of -0.9C. Btw the Lavrio station is also an official one again from the National Observatory of Athens.

http://poseidon.hcmr.gr/wstations/anavyssos/

http://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/vari/

Edited May 30, 2016 by Manos33

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

On April 30, 2015 at 3:41:44 PM, pRoeZa* said:

I was refering to Roystoneas.

I was wrong, I've made a mistake! You can read "But what about Howeas, do you even heard of very much amount of Howeas in the north of Florida?" this is exactly I was saying, Howeas don't grow very much in Florida. I wanted to say "instead Roystoneas grow largely in Florida, even in 10a zones) not howeas. I've mixed the words howea and roystonea and i've made a mistake . Yep I've don't seen very much Howeas in Florida... instead Florida has thousands of Roystoneas and in a lot of parts grow enormous.

Roystoneas don't grow for long in Northern FL.  Yes, there is a good looking installation in Jacksonville in the warmest possible microclimate along a very wide part of a river, but that's an exception, and, eventually cold will likely kill them.  Even the warmest microclimates inJacksonville have record lows around -10c.  We are in a warm Period at the moment and Royals have been planted in about 1/2 the state.  Howeas would survive the winters anywhere the Royals do, but the summers here kill them.  There are a few successful plantings, but not many.  Most are in collectors gardens.  I don't live in Jacksonville any more, but I can say with confidence, most royals planted in that city wouldn't last 2 winters.  On the west side of town it gets to -8c almost every winter and they have 30 or more frost events.  Even Washingtonia scorch out ther sometimes.

[RedRabbit]

1 hour ago, Keith in SoJax said:

Roystoneas don't grow for long in Northern FL.  Yes, there is a good looking installation in Jacksonville in the warmest possible microclimate along a very wide part of a river, but that's an exception, and, eventually cold will likely kill them.  Even the warmest microclimates inJacksonville have record lows around -10c.  We are in a warm Period at the moment and Royals have been planted in about 1/2 the state.  Howeas would survive the winters anywhere the Royals do, but the summers here kill them.  There are a few successful plantings, but not many.  Most are in collectors gardens.  I don't live in Jacksonville any more, but I can say with confidence, most royals planted in that city wouldn't last 2 winters.  On the west side of town it gets to -8c almost every winter and they have 30 or more frost events.  Even Washingtonia scorch out ther sometimes.

Keith is right, there may be some royals in Jax but there sure aren't many. I give them a lot of credit though, in Florida they're the next step up from Queen palms.  

[RedRabbit]

On 5/30/2016, 8:37:15, Keith in SoJax said:

Roystoneas don't grow for long in Northern FL.  Yes, there is a good looking installation in Jacksonville in the warmest possible microclimate along a very wide part of a river, but that's an exception, and, eventually cold will likely kill them.  Even the warmest microclimates inJacksonville have record lows around -10c.  We are in a warm Period at the moment and Royals have been planted in about 1/2 the state.  Howeas would survive the winters anywhere the Royals do, but the summers here kill them.  There are a few successful plantings, but not many.  Most are in collectors gardens.  I don't live in Jacksonville any more, but I can say with confidence, most royals planted in that city wouldn't last 2 winters.  On the west side of town it gets to -8c almost every winter and they have 30 or more frost events.  Even Washingtonia scorch out ther sometimes.

I've got some data for the Mayport Naval Station (must be the best microclimate, right?) and it put up a pretty respectable 28.19f avg annual low. Based on the numbers there it looks like Royals have about a 49% chance of making it 10yrs. The last time it got cold enough to kill mature royals was in 2003 with a low of 21f. All things considered I think that's actually pretty good... Do you know of any royals older than 03 up there? 

Edited June 1, 2016 by RedRabbit

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

On 30/5/2016 14:37:15, Keith in SoJax said:

Roystoneas don't grow for long in Northern FL.  Yes, there is a good looking installation in Jacksonville in the warmest possible microclimate along a very wide part of a river, but that's an exception, and, eventually cold will likely kill them.  Even the warmest microclimates inJacksonville have record lows around -10c.  We are in a warm Period at the moment and Royals have been planted in about 1/2 the state.  Howeas would survive the winters anywhere the Royals do, but the summers here kill them.  There are a few successful plantings, but not many.  Most are in collectors gardens.  I don't live in Jacksonville any more, but I can say with confidence, most royals planted in that city wouldn't last 2 winters.  On the west side of town it gets to -8c almost every winter and they have 30 or more frost events.  Even Washingtonia scorch out ther sometimes.

Hello, but I didn't say that the north of Florida is full of Roystoneas. I was referring that they grow enormous on 10a zones on Florida. I've asked if he has seen/heard about large amounts of Howeas in Northern Florida ("I wanted to say "instead Roystoneas grow largely in Florida, even in 10a zones"). 10a zone starts in Cape Coral and goes through all Florida until West Palm Beach (http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-florida-usda-plant-zone-hardiness-map.php) 

But I'm seeing that they not only do well on 10a zones, Tampa is under 9b zones but I see that Tampa has many of them (https://goo.gl/maps/UXVXqomctK62 , https://goo.gl/maps/xyJzc7a22gm) also those "puffies": https://goo.gl/maps/pxAaY3yyKus and seeing older Street View images they are planted there from many years ago. Not the most common palm but they appear to grow great and big.

Anyways I also seeked in Palm Bay for several minutes and I've found nothing. In fact, I've found a couple of Dypsis Arenarum or Lutescens, but they were dead from some time ago as they were burnt and only the trunk can be identified. I want to ask, why happens this on Palm Bay? Is Palm Bay really cold on winters? Looking at the official climate chart is way enough to hold Roystoneas, but it gets often cold waves with freezing temps during winter?

I only found this Roystonea (it's an Elata?) after several minutes of searching: https://goo.gl/maps/m8eXsf49k662 it looks a bit burnt, but nothing major. I wonder if it's still alive... The photos were from March 2011. There is also available an older image of the street from November 2007, where the Roystonea has almost the same size as in 2011 and a couple more of leaves. 

Sorry for not explaning myself well at all but I'm not a native English speaker. 

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

That one from Palm Bay ( https://goo.gl/maps/m8eXsf49k662  ) it's a Wodyetia Bifurcata. I can't edit my last post so I have to correct that after some more several minutes of seeking... I've found nothing about Roystoneas on Palm Bay, that was the only Wodyetia and all the others were Syagrus, Washingtonias and Phoenixes. I've seen also many Butias and Sabal palms, but the most predominant from far is Syagrus.

Someone from Florida please could tell me why in such a warm place like Palm Bay a Roystonea can't grow? Thanks !

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

5 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

I've got some data for the Mayport Naval Station (must be the best microclimate, right?) and it put up a pretty respectable 28.19f avg annual low. Based on the numbers there it looks like Royals have about a 49% chance of making it 10yrs. The last time it got cold enough to kill mature royals was in 2003 with a low of 21f. All things considered I think that's actually pretty good... Do you know of any royals older than 03 up there? 

Indeed Mayport is one of the best microclimates.  Another is San Marco. I would certainly plant Roystonea in those neighborhoods if I lived there!  And, judging by the nice installation in Green Cove Springs/South Jax on the St Johns River, I think your 50/50 chance of living 10 years is good.  But those microclimates represent a very small part of the Jax metropolitan area.  Look at the records for Cecil Field to get the contrast to Mayport.  My home there was in a decent microclimate, and Royals would have suffered there every winter and probably died in 09-10 and 10-11.  I could have driven to a place just a few miles away where that wasn't the case (in fact, thats where the successful planting grows).  I do not know of any Royals that have been in since 2003.  But in a city the size of Jax, I could have missed dozens!  

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

31 minutes ago, pRoeZa* said:

Hello, but I didn't say that the north of Florida is full of Roystoneas. I was referring that they grow enormous on 10a zones on Florida. I've asked if he has seen/heard about large amounts of Howeas in Northern Florida ("I wanted to say "instead Roystoneas grow largely in Florida, even in 10a zones"). 10a zone starts in Cape Coral and goes through all Florida until West Palm Beach (http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-florida-usda-plant-zone-hardiness-map.php) 

But I'm seeing that they not only do well on 10a zones, Tampa is under 9b zones but I see that Tampa has many of them (https://goo.gl/maps/UXVXqomctK62 , https://goo.gl/maps/xyJzc7a22gm) also those "puffies": https://goo.gl/maps/pxAaY3yyKus and seeing older Street View images they are planted there from many years ago. Not the most common palm but they appear to grow great and big.

Anyways I also seeked in Palm Bay for several minutes and I've found nothing. In fact, I've found a couple of Dypsis Arenarum or Lutescens, but they were dead from some time ago as they were burnt and only the trunk can be identified. I want to ask, why happens this on Palm Bay? Is Palm Bay really cold on winters? Looking at the official climate chart is way enough to hold Roystoneas, but it gets often cold waves with freezing temps during winter?

I only found this Roystonea (it's an Elata?) after several minutes of searching: https://goo.gl/maps/m8eXsf49k662 it looks a bit burnt, but nothing major. I wonder if it's still alive... The photos were from March 2011. There is also available an older image of the street from November 2007, where the Roystonea has almost the same size as in 2011 and a couple more of leaves. 

Sorry for not explaning myself well at all but I'm not a native English speaker. 

I'm sorry, I read your post incorrectly.  What you are saying makes sense.  Royals are not at all uncommon in the zone 9B parts of Florida either.  And they do attain quite a large size.  Palm Bay should be able to grow Royals, its probably just that they aren't as common as queens at the stores.  Also, its widely understood here that Royals that have gray wood/trunk are more likely to survive a cold snap than young plants without gray wood.  There is a large planting along I-95 about mid-way between Jacksonville and Miami (inland from Titusville/Cape Canaveral, and Merritt Island).  Thats a very cold spot despite being very close to the Atlantic Ocean just a few miles east.  In 09-10 and 10-11 the Royals were all but defoliated in that locale.  I suspect it was right around 20F.  Further south and inland from Vero Beach, there were lows in the high teens (F) those winters.  It caused damage to the citrus crop and the trees.  So the Royals further north may have been exposed to temps below 20!  Virtually all survived and recovered, and they've increased the planting size.  Today the trees installed before the freezes are twice the size they were back then.  So, in my experience those winters makes me think Royals can take a cold 9A winter (even a "warm" 8B) as long as they have a long growing season to recover, and it doesn't occur very often.  

 

Regarding Howeas, I have seen a few in North FL, but they are in the warmer parts of the state (microclimates around Jacksonville in particular).  Inland it just gets too cold.  Keep in mind that anywhere from the West side of Jacksonville to the Alabama state line and along I-75 all the way to Ocala is essentially an 8B climate with lows below 20 almost every year.  Yes there are a few exceptions along the coast, but its just too cold in winter for Howeas.  Like I mentioned before, its not uncommon for Washingtonia robusta to scorch, and Livistona chinensis to be defoliated unless under some kind of canopy.  Thats just too cold for Howeas, I think.  

[Laisla87]

Are those regias growing under powerlines???

[DoomsDave]

How are they now, after the cold?

[bubba]

I certainly wish we could grow Howeas in large numbers in Florida. The inability to do so has little to do with low minimum temperatures but rather Florida’s extreme high humidity and heat. Lord Howe Island has a relatively cool, temperate climate with little heat and humidity. Although you may see an occasional Howea in Florida, it is undoubtedly a specimen that is pampered and sheltered as much as possible from the unHowelike conditions.

[southathens]

On 4/29/2015 at 5:11 PM, Kostas said:

I went touring around in Voula and found it! Here is an updated photo of the palm taken mid-March

Does anybody know the name of the street in Voula so I will go and take some pics of it?

It's been 4 years from the last update we had on this Royal Palm.

Edited June 27, 2019 by Manos33

[NikoPalms]

On 6/27/2019 at 8:57 PM, Manos33 said:

Does anybody know the name of the street in Voula so I will go and take some pics of it?

It's been 4 years from the last update we had on this Royal Palm.

Found it on Google Maps! Unfortunately the street view image is from 10 years ago...

Anyone in the Athens area to let us know how it's doing?

I might swing by sometime soon.

Address 117 Leof. Vasileos Pavlou

[southathens]

7 hours ago, NikoPalms said:

Found it on Google Maps! Unfortunately the street view image is from 10 years ago...

Anyone in the Athens area to let us know how it's doing?

I might swing by sometime soon.

Address 117 Leof. Vasileos Pavlou

Hello Niko and welcome ! I am planning to visit it soon but I keep postponing it! Now with the baby it might be a bit more difficult but once I find a free weekend I ll pay a visit!!!

Edited April 25, 2022 by Manos33

[NikoPalms]

Was in the Voula area today and went buy to check out the Cuban Royal...

It looks happy and healthy. Minimal leaf burn/browning. I don't even think it is frost burn more like lack of water. It's growing but a bit slower than in the tropics. 

Athens should plant them all along the coastline of the city. A beautiful palm indeed!!

[Phoenikakias]

Damage wqs caused by the cold, but it is minimal, even im cosmetic terms, given the severity and  prolonged time of last winter.  Unfortunately we have also suffered two consecutive cold spells in past March, which in my opinion turned out more destructive that the Elpis incident, as northern wind and origin of cold (north east) must have caused even lower temps than in January. Fortunately those late cold spells were not accompanied by any serious precipitation and unfortunately we will never be sure, whether pictured damage is the result of the cold spell in January (and of the snow fall)  or of those in March.  Personally I suspect as exclusive culprit the March cold spells. The Elpis was of longer duration but min temp was higher than the one during last year's Ifigeneia. 

Edited May 8, 2022 by Phoenikakias

[Apostolos05]

Wow the roystonia is doing pretty well and growing fast (for Athens conditions). There are some new archontophoenix cunninghamiana planted in Leoforos Poseidonos Alimos which are not doing so well. Even though they are 9b zone and roystonia is 10a i think thay suffer from the wind as they are at the coastal street of Alimos

[Phoenikakias]

4 hours ago, Apostolos05 said:

Wow the roystonia is doing pretty well and growing fast (for Athens conditions). There are some new archontophoenix cunninghamiana planted in Leoforos Poseidonos Alimos which are not doing so well. Even though they are 9b zone and roystonia is 10a i think thay suffer from the wind as they are at the coastal street of Alimos

welcome to the forum first. No, I think that exclusive cause of poor look is inadequate watering. This spot is very hot and very dry too. In the warm and dry months they need watering daily. Btw how do you know they are cunninghamiana? Have they bloomed?

[Apostolos05]

35 minutes ago, Phoenikakias said:

welcome to the forum first. No, I think that exclusive cause of poor look is inadequate watering. This spot is very hot and very dry too. In the warm and dry months they need watering daily. Btw how do you know they are cunninghamiana? Have they bloomed?

They are for sure archontophoenix if not cunninghamiana but i think because cunninghamiana is the toughest and easiest to find they must have put these. And of course it looks like cunninghamiana! I will get some photos as soon as possible. As for the water you might be right but because my countryhouse is a very windy area, I have spent hours studying every spieces wind resistance. Archontophoenix is one of the weakest one. Here is an alexandrae in a protected spot at my country house.