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Foxtail crossed with Manila Palm

fiji jim

By fiji jim
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fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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Hi All,

I have recently harvested seed from a Wodyetia bifurcata and a Adonidia merrellii and it is obviously a cross.

Here you can see the pure foxtail seed on the left side of the foxie and the smaller, red seed on the right side.

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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Here is a closer look.

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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A view of the 3 types of seed

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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3 type cleaned

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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some more cleaned fox by ado seed.

I have planted about 100 and have these 90 remaining.

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

Pedro 65 Grand Master

Pedro 65

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Great stuff Jim, if Adonidia liked it here Id put my hand up for seed :) Look fwd to future growth posts. Pete :)

Zeeth Grand Master

Zeeth

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Look about like what my Wodveitchia seed looked like. Good luck with growing them!

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Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

Lowey Experienced

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Could we see a picture of the whole tree ??

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Wow, nice. Did you split one to see if it viable?

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Eric F Community Regular

Eric F

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Any desire to send any to Australia? :)

Kennybenjamin Veteran

Kennybenjamin

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Any desire to send any to Australia? :)

Ditto to this question!! I saw one in a thread a couple of weeks ago and it's a cool looking palm!!!

Hopefully not as cold sensitive as the Adonidia? I would love to try one that's for sure!!!!!

Good luck with those babies!!!

Jeff Searle Grand Master

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Very interesting for sure. I would also be interested in seeing if the seed are good.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Funkthulhu Mentor

Funkthulhu

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I would love to see what this cross would look like as an adult.

Can anybody upload a Fox, Fox/Ado, Ado adult comparison photo(s)?

"Ph'nglui mglw'napalma Funkthulhu R'Lincolnea wgah'palm fhtagn"
"In his house at Lincoln, dread Funkthulhu plants palm trees."

redant Grand Master

redant

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Very cool, can't wait to see the babies!

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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Yes the seed does looks good.


Very hard and difficult to split but shows an embryo.


Seed is homogenous like the foxtail.

Does anyone have pics of one of these crosses as seedlings or later?

Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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Here is the best pic I have of the foxtail.

This group of palms is surrounded by other low vegetation and rather difficut to obtain a good shot.

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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Emasculating a foxtail.

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ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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Another of some mature foxtails.

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ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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I am not sure if I got this one right. Is this adonidia or Acrchontophoenix cunninghamiana?

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ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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This palm is in a field of foxtails and the owner assumed it was a foxy lady. It has grown at twice the speed as the foxtails around it. However the consenus is that it is not a foxy lady but maybe a foxtail crossed with something else. Maybe this is the same cross you have???

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Zeeth Grand Master

Zeeth

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I am not sure if I got this one right. Is this adonidia or Acrchontophoenix cunninghamiana?

Looks like Ptychosperma elegans

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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I think your right Zeeth. Thanks. Wrong palm either way.

Ken Johnson Grand Master

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This palm is in a field of foxtails and the owner assumed it was a foxy lady. It has grown at twice the speed as the foxtails around it. However the consenus is that it is not a foxy lady but maybe a foxtail crossed with something else. Maybe this is the same cross you have???

Looks like a Veitchia cross to me. Did someone say they knew of an Adonidia cross that was purposely made? I have heard of Carpenteria crosses too with Wod. Any pictures of that around?

BTW my faxylady back crossed to a Wodyetia has sprouted and some are variegated...proving the cross. That is to say the hybrid (with the father being a variegated foxylady in this case) will produce viable seed when pollinating a Wodyetia mother!

I DIG PALMS

Call me anytime to chat about transplanting palms.

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Zeeth Grand Master

Zeeth

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That's good to hear about your cross Ken! Here are some pics from another thread with some weird crosses in this group.

Here's a Veitchia X Carpentaria and a Foxtail X Carpentaria.

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Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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This palm is in a field of foxtails and the owner assumed it was a foxy lady. It has grown at twice the speed as the foxtails around it. However the consenus is that it is not a foxy lady but maybe a foxtail crossed with something else. Maybe this is the same cross you have???

Looks like a Veitchia cross to me. Did someone say they knew of an Adonidia cross that was purposely made? I have heard of Carpenteria crosses too with Wod. Any pictures of that around?

BTW my faxylady back crossed to a Wodyetia has sprouted and some are variegated...proving the cross. That is to say the hybrid (with the father being a variegated foxylady in this case) will produce viable seed when pollinating a Wodyetia mother!

Well Ken I remember in your previous posts about hybrids even on a earlier thread about the foxy lady. I belive you said people would be crazy to pay more then $5.00 for a 1 gallon hybrid. I would like to offer you $5.00 per seedling for every true hybrid you produce. Watcha say? I belive the Adonidia cross was found by Derek or Justin of seabreeze in someones yard. I think they said they said they had intended on doing this cross.

Mandrew968 Grand Master

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I am not sure if I got this one right. Is this adonidia or Acrchontophoenix cunninghamiana?

Neither--you got a Ptychosperma elegans, Erik.

Mandrew968 Grand Master

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This hybrid is certainly possible as I have seen an adult myself--they are called Christmas tail palms :)

coolricksfromtijuana Enthusiast

coolricksfromtijuana

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Ok, so where does any one buys hybrid seedlings?

Escondido: the Ideal place to grow palms

Could it be? I'll try.

Ken Johnson Grand Master

Ken Johnson

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I sure want to see a picture of the xmastail. How about some more stories from people that are putting pollen on female palm flowers?

I DIG PALMS

Call me anytime to chat about transplanting palms.

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fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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Now there are many germinating.

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

JD in the OC Veteran

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fiji jim, did you emasculate the inflorescence on your foxtail and screen it to prevent flying insects from visiting the female flowers? This is the only way to get an entire infructescence of viable seed. If not, I have a feeling you simply have foxtail seeds there. Bees can travel up to 3 miles from their hive in search of pollen. Your seeds look like they developed during a dry or cold season, leading to smaller size and shape. This is common in Florida as well. Also, I have a Foxtail x Christmas palm imported from Thailand- it was grown under controlled conditions and from what the grower told me, only one in several hundred seeds of this cross develop viable embryos, even after controlled pollination.

JD

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This palm is in a field of foxtails and the owner assumed it was a foxy lady. It has grown at twice the speed as the foxtails around it. However the consenus is that it is not a foxy lady but maybe a foxtail crossed with something else. Maybe this is the same cross you have???

Looks like a Veitchia cross to me. Did someone say they knew of an Adonidia cross that was purposely made? I have heard of Carpenteria crosses too with Wod. Any pictures of that around?

BTW my faxylady back crossed to a Wodyetia has sprouted and some are variegated...proving the cross. That is to say the hybrid (with the father being a variegated foxylady in this case) will produce viable seed when pollinating a Wodyetia mother!

Well Ken I remember in your previous posts about hybrids even on a earlier thread about the foxy lady. I belive you said people would be crazy to pay more then $5.00 for a 1 gallon hybrid. I would like to offer you $5.00 per seedling for every true hybrid you produce. Watcha say? I belive the Adonidia cross was found by Derek or Justin of seabreeze in someones yard. I think they said they said they had intended on doing this cross.

Yes Eric, we have just done adonidia x veitchia, and wodyetia x carpenteria. We'll see how they work.

Derek Batke

http://www.seabreezenurseries.com

fiji jim Veteran

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Yes JD,all due care was taken as much as possible.

There was no cold or dry time during seed development.

At the same time of commencing propagation of the cross seed, I also started the other seeds in the pic of comparing the 3 types.

More than a month ago the pure Adonidia seed germinated and as yet the pure foxtail are yet to show.

I will now plant all of these so as not to have them age past viability. When they have produced the first couple of leaves it will be better for comparison and tell the truth.

So far they look much more like Wodyetia than manilas.

Jim

Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

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ruskinPalms Grand Master

ruskinPalms

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I’m going to resurrect this thread. Any updates on this cross?

Parrish, FL

Zone 9B

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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On 12/26/2019 at 8:44 PM, ruskinPalms said:

I’m going to resurrect this thread. Any updates on this cross?

 

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Butch Mentor

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On 12/28/2019 at 4:43 PM, ErikSJI said:

 

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Those are beautiful palms... I wish they would grow here... AND I had one:rolleyes:...

Butch

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