Euterpe edulis

[Joe palma]

after reading Matts recent thread, questioning whether these do well here, I thought I would post a pic of mine which I've been wanting to do for awhile, all be it not an "orange crownshaft", .

Not sure how old it is (8-9 years?) but I grew it from seed and it didn't flinch in the 2007 freeze.

It's a triple and the trick to these is good, rich, organic soil and water!

The tallest trunk seems to have a really large crownshaft section to it (others in my yard don't seem to).

Anyway, it really took off when I started giving extra water by hose.

I have another mulit in some what more shade that is really green and nice looking. Will snap a shot ot two of that.

[nachocarl]

Looks great Joe!

Do those have remate (sp)? I have a funky Archon cunn (at least I thought it was, maybe its a hybrid) that looks an awful lot like those, with a somewhat keeled fronds, deep green leaflets, but the crown shaft isn't as nice as those above. It is very fast, thin and doesn't look anything at all like the rest of my A. cunn.

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Ben from NZ suggested I try Euterpe edulis. Apparently they grow in Brazil at elevations where archontophoenix fail. I grow some here and growth seems to be quite vigorous provided they get plenty of water and acidity in the soil.

[Alberto]

Ben from NZ suggested I try Euterpe edulis. Apparently they grow in Brazil at elevations where archontophoenix fail. I grow some here and growth seems to be quite vigorous provided they get plenty of water and acidity in the soil.

Juçara (Euterpe edulis) grows from sea level to higher in the mountains of the Atlantic Forest. The climate where a bangalow can grow is ideal for a juçara.

Some years ago I found them growing in araucaria forest in the county of Reserva (inland tableland) +- 100 km straight line north from here , at 850 km altitude. I have a lot of little palms from the seeds I collected there.

[Alberto]

This I photographed some years ago in the Itatiaia park at higher altitude

[Alberto]

I don´t know why but I cannot upload more than 1 pic/post.....

[joe_OC]

Nice palms, Joe.

My friend, Mike Wardlow, has an amazing one in HB. He got it from Bluebell nursery and planted it it a protected area where the water from his yard drains to. The trunk is staying green because it is not exposed. I will have to get him to post a pic. It has been in the ground two years and has grown quite a bit.

You are right about water...these palms seem to love it.

[Stevetoad]

Love these palms. they do pretty well with my winters too. and i got all mine for you Joe!

[KennyRE317]

I think they're one of the best palms for smaller yards

[joe_OC]

Mine, also from Joe...

[paulgila]

they seem to be highly susceptible to pink rot,imo.

[Hammer]

they seem to be highly susceptible to pink rot,imo.

I assume the applies to Euterpe and Orange Crownshaft?

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

I got two, that made it through my last 3 winters with some overhead protection.

The one without much protection lost about 25% of its leaf surface with a low temp around 27f.

When young they do not like our sun at all. I planted mine so that they have to grow up through the canopy of my Lychee tree to get a peek at the sun.

Jeff

[LJG]

Joe here are two of your babies I bought from you 4-5 years ago. They are great plants. They don't care for the cooler soil temps as the leaves yellow in full sun but in summer mine get no protection and look great. After reading up about them in habitat I added another popup sprinkler and as the second pic shows they exploded in girth.

[realarch]

Joe, Len & Joe, those look great! Glad to see them doing so well in Calif. Len & Joe, are yours solitary, or do cut the suckers off?

My clump of E. oleracea are prolific with suckers and I do prune them out. I was going to say prolific 'suckerers', but I wasn't sure it was a

word, plus it sounds just nasty.

Tim

[redant]

I had a real nice one for years, went through all our cold spells no problem, cold that killed plenty of my coconuts. Then one summer it just dropped dead. I have a replacement in the ground now which is starting to take off.

[Joe palma]

Looks great Joe!

Do those have remate (sp)? I have a funky Archon cunn (at least I thought it was, maybe its a hybrid) that looks an awful lot like those, with a somewhat keeled fronds, deep green leaflets, but the crown shaft isn't as nice as those above. It is very fast, thin and doesn't look anything at all like the rest of my A. cunn.

Hey Carl,

Not sure if it does and I forgot to look this morning but I will. Maybe you do have a Euterpe.

[richnorm]

Looks great Joe!

Do those have remate (sp)? I have a funky Archon cunn (at least I thought it was, maybe its a hybrid) that looks an awful lot like those, with a somewhat keeled fronds, deep green leaflets, but the crown shaft isn't as nice as those above. It is very fast, thin and doesn't look anything at all like the rest of my A. cunn.

Hey Carl,

Not sure if it does and I forgot to look this morning but I will. Maybe you do have a Euterpe.

ramenta, yes. The wide leaf scars are a dead giveaway...

[Joe palma]

This I photographed some years ago in the Itatiaia park at higher altitude

Real nice pic Alberto! Thanks

Almost looks a bit like Gulubia costata or I think they are calling it Hydriastele costata now. Hope mine get that big!!

[LJG]

Joe, Len & Joe, those look great! Glad to see them doing so well in Calif. Len & Joe, are yours solitary, or do cut the suckers off?My clump of E. oleracea are prolific with suckers and I do prune them out. I was going to say prolific 'suckerers', but I wasn't sure it was a word, plus it sounds just nasty. Tim

All single Tim. Joes are multi planted. They really need to be multi planted since they are so skinny and don't really have an impressive spread.

[Joe palma]

Nice palms, Joe.

My friend, Mike Wardlow, has an amazing one in HB. He got it from Bluebell nursery and planted it it a protected area where the water from his yard drains to. The trunk is staying green because it is not exposed. I will have to get him to post a pic. It has been in the ground two years and has grown quite a bit.

You are right about water...these palms seem to love it.

Thanks Joe.

I was just at Mikes 2 weeks ago and saw his. It is a nice specimen. And you are correct that it is keeping the green trunk and has no wood for how big it is. Definitely growing very nicely!! And he did mention it gets lots of water where it is at.

[Joe palma]

Mine, also from Joe...

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Looking good there Joe!!

[Joe palma]

they seem to be highly susceptible to pink rot,imo.

Paul,

I have grown tons of these and very close together in 5g containers. I have lost very few of them and I do not recall it being from pink rot.

I will keep my eye out for it but I don't seem to have that problem with them and I have seen it on some of the Archontos.

[Joe palma]

Joe here are two of your babies I bought from you 4-5 years ago. They are great plants. They don't care for the cooler soil temps as the leaves yellow in full sun but in summer mine get no protection and look great. After reading up about them in habitat I added another popup sprinkler and as the second pic shows they exploded in girth.

Wow Len! Those are pretty fat ones! They look real good. Guess you are giving them a good amount of water w/ another pop-up and it has paid off. Very glad to see they are doing so well.

[Joe palma]

Joe, Len & Joe, those look great! Glad to see them doing so well in Calif. Len & Joe, are yours solitary, or do cut the suckers off?

My clump of E. oleracea are prolific with suckers and I do prune them out. I was going to say prolific 'suckerers', but I wasn't sure it was a

word, plus it sounds just nasty.

Tim

Thanks Tim.

The E.edulis is a solitary palm, so no suckers. As Len mentioned I planted most of mine as triples but this last batch I did make a few singles and even some w/ 5 trunks.

I have heard the oleracea sucker aggressively but I have never been able to keep them alive. They really don't like our winters!

[Alberto]

E.oleracea is an equatorial species and suckers, while E.edulis has only onte trunk and grows in southeast and southern Brazil, but not very cold habitats, (generally not in araucaria forest)

[KennyRE317]

E.oleracea is an equatorial species and suckers, while E.edulis has only onte trunk and grows in southeast and southern Brazil, but not very cold habitats, (generally not in araucaria forest)

are the E.edulis fruit as good as the oleracea?

[Matt in SD]

Joe,

I hate to give you the bad news, but that super huge, beautiful Euterpe I got from you hasn't fared too well. Two of three trunks are dead, the third is OK and growing pretty fast, but is always sort of ratty looking. I feel bad, because I remember you saying something like "it's in good hands" when I got it. Mine is in an area that I thought would be prime for palms as it's at the top of a wall along the lawn, with several feet of backfilled loose soil. But there must be something going on with the soil or something because all the palms I've planted in that area have done poorly. It is also pretty exposed to wind, so that may be an issue as well. It's a bummer because it was in great shape when I got it.

I do have a couple 'orange crowns' that are doing well, but they're higher up the hill and more protected.

Matt

[realarch]

Thanks guys, learn something new and basic everyday.

Tim

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Joe,

I hate to give you the bad news, but that super huge, beautiful Euterpe I got from you hasn't fared too well. Two of three trunks are dead, the third is OK and growing pretty fast, but is always sort of ratty looking. I feel bad, because I remember you saying something like "it's in good hands" when I got it. Mine is in an area that I thought would be prime for palms as it's at the top of a wall along the lawn, with several feet of backfilled loose soil. But there must be something going on with the soil or something because all the palms I've planted in that area have done poorly. It is also pretty exposed to wind, so that may be an issue as well. It's a bummer because it was in great shape when I got it.

I do have a couple 'orange crowns' that are doing well, but they're higher up the hill and more protected.

Matt

They do much better in low pH soil. A good hit with iron sulfate really greens them up.

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

Here's my Euterpe Edulis after 3 years in ground from a Jeff Marcus $2 four inch plant.

As you can see its in morning shade of my Lychee tree, but it does get some afternoon filtered sun.

I bet theres some trunk under there but i'll wait till after the next leaf falls to check.

It does love are hot summer temps 95f/65f, but not direct sun at this age.

Like Axel mentioned, this one likes the soil a little on the acidic side. I correct my soil with a little sulphur.

Jeff

Edited August 16, 2013 by Jeff in Modesto

[mwardlow]

Here is mine taken this morning. This is the wettest area in my yard almost muddy all the time. One of my favorite palms right now.

[joe_OC]

Mike,

I am so jealous of that palm!

[Joe palma]

E.oleracea is an equatorial species and suckers, while E.edulis has only onte trunk and grows in southeast and southern Brazil, but not very cold habitats, (generally not in araucaria forest)

are the E.edulis fruit as good as the oleracea?

Hey Kenny,

That is a good question, one to which I am not sure of but I would venture to guess it is close. I know oleracea is more prolithic in producing fruit and at an earlier age, some reasons why they are used for the anti-oxident production purposes over edulis.

[Joe palma]

Joe,

I hate to give you the bad news, but that super huge, beautiful Euterpe I got from you hasn't fared too well. Two of three trunks are dead, the third is OK and growing pretty fast, but is always sort of ratty looking. I feel bad, because I remember you saying something like "it's in good hands" when I got it. Mine is in an area that I thought would be prime for palms as it's at the top of a wall along the lawn, with several feet of backfilled loose soil. But there must be something going on with the soil or something because all the palms I've planted in that area have done poorly. It is also pretty exposed to wind, so that may be an issue as well. It's a bummer because it was in great shape when I got it.

I do have a couple 'orange crowns' that are doing well, but they're higher up the hill and more protected.

Matt

Matt,

I am bummed to hear that. That was the biggest one I grew from my first batch. I kept that second largest one and that is the one pictured up top.

Sounds like they might have needed some better soil to grow in and maybe even more water. Might have been draining to fast being up behind a wall w/ loose soil.

Anyway, I did have a 5 trunker that I planted in the ground that lost 3 trunks, and I forget why, but now is growing really well.

Hope the remaining one keeps going! Throw some organics on it and maybe another sprinkler.

Glad the orange-crownshaft ones are doing good. Love to see those.

I actually have a pic of the one you bought. Memories......

[Joe palma]

Here's my Euterpe Edulis after 3 years in ground from a Jeff Marcus $2 four inch plant.

As you can see its in morning shade of my Lychee tree, but it does get some afternoon filtered sun.

I bet theres some trunk under there but i'll wait till after the next leaf falls to check.

It does love are hot summer temps 95f/65f, but not direct sun at this age.

Like Axel mentioned, this one likes the soil a little on the acidic side. I correct my soil with a little sulphur.

Jeff

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Looking good Jeff! And pretty fast growth as well. Nice and green.

[Joe palma]

Here is mine taken this morning. This is the wettest area in my yard almost muddy all the time. One of my favorite palms right now.

There it is. Glad you had some time to post a pic of it Mike. It is really nice!

One of the first things I noticed, as Joe pointed out, is that it didn't have any wood trunk for the size it is. It actually looks nicer than ones w/ wood trunk!

These are one of my favorites as well.

Thanks for the tour and the A. maxima seedlings!

You should post a pic of the triple you have sometime! What a beast! Real nice!

Not to mention all of the other nice palms your growing, such as the D. lanceolata. Wow!

[Alberto]

E.oleracea is an equatorial species and suckers, while E.edulis has only onte trunk and grows in southeast and southern Brazil, but not very cold habitats, (generally not in araucaria forest)

are the E.edulis fruit as good as the oleracea?

E.oleracea is an equatorial species and suckers, while E.edulis has only onte trunk and grows in southeast and southern Brazil, but not very cold habitats, (generally not in araucaria forest)

are the E.edulis fruit as good as the oleracea?

http://viajeaqui.abril.com.br/materias/palmito-jucara-polpa

http://www.inaceres.com.br/downloads/artigos/acai_jucara.pdf

With some additional benefits: compared to açaí, the juçara has more iron, potassium and four times more anthocyanin pigment that helps fight free radicals and protects against tumors, infections and vascular diseases. It is the same substance, for example, that gives color to red wine , only a dozen times higher concentration. Who lives in the Southeast Brazil has the advantage of being able to consume the pulp juçara fresh. Unlike açaí, which comes in frozen from the state Pará.

[KennyRE317]

Thanks for the info Alberto, gives me a great reason to plant a few more