Variable colours of Euterpe edulis var Orange c/shaft

[Pedro 65]

Ok, I know these are still young and they will certainly gain more colour as they age especially grown in full sun, but at this early stage they all vary in colour , do yours , please post a close up to show colour of your Euterpe E var Orange crown. Heres 4 to get started. btw Im using white paper behind so the colour "stands out" Pete

[Peter G]

Nice Pete! I have a few of these, too small at this stage to show any colour.

For me Euterpe Edulis do well in the Winter and the Summer and the orange form is no exception.

[sgvcns]

Peter

Pardon my ignorance but is this edulis or Euterpe catinga?

I thought catinga was the orange crownshaft Euterpe.

See photo from recent Colombian trip of catinga near Mocoa.

Steve

[Peter G]

There is an orange crown shaft variation of Euterpe Edulis.

[Pedro 65]

Peter

Pardon my ignorance but is this edulis or Euterpe catinga?

I thought catinga was the orange crownshaft Euterpe.

See photo from recent Colombian trip of catinga near Mocoa.

Steve

Steve, Catinga can certainly be very orange as all Hawaii pics show ( below pic is from Palmpedia of Jerry A near his, now "thats Orange", sorry the pic can't be enlarged ) but its quite thinner and smaller than Edulis that can be green, yellow or orange which my above pics are ( Info thanks to this "Fantastic book" below ) btw Arden told me this is a must buy..It is.. btw 2. did you get seeds of Catinga ? Pete

[sgvcns]

No Pete seed free on the catinga front.

Next year maybe. Luckily I have met people who are on the prowl for more babies.

Catinga is only one I've asked for eyes peeled alert.

ps I'm sure Arden would have some(who wouldn't) but next year I believe aroids are again his focus in Colombia.

Steve

[Eric in Orlando]

I have a couple planted out, about 2ft tall. They aren't showing much color yet. They are also much slower growers than "regular, green" Euterpe edulis and more picky about conditions.

[richnorm]

Did they all come from the same seed batch Pete? That third shot looks more like the yellow one. Reading between the lines I think maybe you still have doubts that the yellow ones around different to the orange. Side by side the ones here are distinguishable and came from different seed (at least they were sold as different!). The two grow quite differently too. Must be the ugliest day of the year in my garden but the yellows look awesome.

[Pedro 65]

Rich , I got 9 from FNQ so Id assume they where all the same seed batch, re the 3rd which 'so far" is just green with some red tomentum, there is 2 like this here, below pic is 1 of and right at the base some colour is appearing , is this what you have as Yellow? I look fwd to seeing pics of 'everyones" Edulis variants to see their colours, Pls post some pics. I know Bill Austins which is gaining colour and size "has" the red tomentum , Pls post Bill and tell us if it started green , or with a little colour.

As Lorezi's book states, Euterpe Edulis colour "Varies", I look fwd to seeing the colour differences on all 9 here , Orange, Yellow and Green . Pete

[Bencassa]

I dont have a pic handy but will look to try and get a few up to depict the differences between my orange crown, which is starting to colour up nicely, and the yellow espiritosantanensis, which is growing well and starting to display the weeping foliage but none show much yellow colouration at this stage.

Post soon.

[richnorm]

Here's the yellow. Shows none of those orange/red/purple tones which are prominent on my orange plants.

[Bill Austin]

Peter this is today this had no color at all until it was at least a 5 gal. plant 3 to 4 feet and just a little color. It didn't show much color till about 6 feet in the ground . It was sold as euterpe sp. orange crown shaft. It still has the red tomentum.

[Pedro 65]

Peter this is today this had no color at all until it was at least a 5 gal. plant 3 to 4 feet and just a little color. It didn't show much color till about 6 feet in the ground . It was sold as euterpe sp. orange crown shaft. It still has the red tomentum.

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Thank you Bill, these pics "made my day", true, Im excited about the future of my 9 now Great Colour on yours Bill, I too got mine as Euterpe sp orange c/shaft but call them Euterpe edulis var orange c/shaft here on PTalk and here at home just so folks Know these are "not" Espirtosantensis.

Added pic with Bills is a pic from RPS of Euterpe edulis var Orange c/shaft from Argentina. Pete

[Jonas]

Here is my Euterpe... I dont know if it qualifies as a orange crownshaft or yellow... I have two of them ned to each other and they are some 15 years old and produce tons of seeds. Most goes on the compost...!

It is a lovely palm with nice shade... I love to look at it in the afternoon when the light is passing through the leaves...

[LJG]

Rich why do you call the Espititosantensis the "yellow crownshafted" one? When this came out it was said to have an "orangeish" crownshaft and all pictures of it show this too. I think calling it yellow is a little misleading. It is more orange than yellow soon after the leaf base falls off. I think I read once it was yellow right after the base falls off though, is that why?

[richnorm]

Rich why do you call the Espititosantensis the "yellow crownshafted" one? When this came out it was said to have an "orangeish" crownshaft and all pictures of it show this too. I think calling it yellow is a little misleading. It is more orange than yellow soon after the leaf base falls off. I think I read once it was yellow right after the base falls off though, is that why?

The seed was distributed here as a yellow crownshaft form of Euterpe edulis which some call Euterpe espiritosantensis. Not sure if that is a valid species yet but certainly there was a bit of discussion around the nomenclature. RPS distributed seed of both the orange form and espiritosantensis at the same time so referred to them as orange and yellow to avoid confusion. Anyway, the reason to buy this palm is not the crownshaft colour but the stunning leaf arrangement! Edulis grow well here but for some reason maintain the flat leaf look of juveniles. I would be very keen to see if any of the RPS espiritosantensis seed has produced that gorgeous weepy form yet. Sounds like it might have, we need pics Bencassa!

[Pedro 65]

Heres 2 pics taken by Paul Craft ( PTalk Licuala) in 2009 at Jill Menzels in Brazil, Wow, what a beautiful Orange. Jill calls it Euterpe edulis Orange c/shaft

Jonas, great looking Euterpe, can you pls take a pic of the whole palm ?

Pete

[Jonas]

Hmmm.... Just learned that my Euterpe is NOT the Edulis.... But Oleracea....

Anyway here are some more pics... I cant get a good picture of the whole palm....

On the first pic you see how this palm clusters like mad... I remove the suckers all the time...

Second picture is the Euterpe seedlings in the middle, Washingtonia to the right and Mauritia flexuosa on the left.. I desperately need bigger bags for the Mauritias

The small one right next to the Euterpe clusters are a Licuala Grandis... 1 year old..

[Gbarce]

Heheh that IS nice. I should check on my Euterpes. I can't remember if they were the orange variety, but they are a pretty tall now. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. That's really cool looking.

[Alberto]

Here is my Euterpe... I dont know if it qualifies as a orange crownshaft or yellow... I have two of them ned to each other and they are some 15 years old and produce tons of seeds. Most goes on the compost...!

It is a lovely palm with nice shade... I love to look at it in the afternoon when the light is passing through the leaves...

Jonas,also a very nice yelow on the crownshafts of E. oleracea;

Last I bought a "juçara-de-pescoço-laranja" (orange neck juçara") that comes from Bahia, I have no much hope for it because of its tropical provenance, but it will be intersting to see the difference in hardiness with my Reserva juçaras (county 100 km from here).

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[Bencassa]

So as promised these are a few pics of E. edulis orange c/s, and E. espiritosantensis.

Heres three pics of each to differentiate between the two. Both similar ages grown in similar conditions.

Firstly, edulis orange c/s with its tall, elegant, upright frond structure and crown beginning to colour up nicely.

And E. espirtosantensis, seems slightly more robust with recurved, weeping fronds and at this stage still displaying a green crown.

[Cindy Adair]

These photos show my only Euterpe edulis 'orange crownshaft'. Look hard for the silver measuring stick by enlarging the photos to get some idea of size. This one has been in the ground 3 years and has recently picked up speed.

It is great to see all the beautiful photos and I'm encouraged to read mine may still turn out to show that glorious orange later!

[richnorm]

Bencassa, have you noticed differences in the ramenta? I don't have enough plants to draw conclusions but from looking at a few plants it appears espiritosantensis might have more ramenta and they are in three lines whilst the orange edulis has less and mostly along the leaf midrib. Possibly the leaflets are slightly more numerous on espiritosantensis too.

[Bencassa]

Rich, I think it's fair to say that espi's have more ramenta than o/c eduils, at least from my three plants, a different colour too. O/c edulis is a much darker coloured ramenta than that of espiritosantensis. That being said its not only colouration that is variable within these species or genus but the quantity of ramenta from plant to plant seems to be too.

[Pedro 65]

Ben, they are certainly "variable" these E edulis O c/shafts , the larger of these 3 below is green with tomemtum "at the moment" but has the upright leaflets like the coloured 1s, not droopy, is yours in the shade? As Bill A said, his didn't have any colour when young and is now very orange as it ages with true tomemtum and very Edulis leaves .

Ben, did you get yours off TNQ Palms? It was "me" that "wrongly" told Jan to call the Euterpes she got off Daishy espiritosantensis. All mine may vary in colour but the leaves and leaflets are "all the same". Cant wait till they look like Jill Menzels beautiful bright orange Edulis. Pete