Clinostigma Savoryanum - 4 year update in California

[Hilo Jason]

Clinostigma Savoryanum has been a good grower here for me in Fallbrook, CA. This palm gets some morning sun, and then shade in the afternoon.

It was planted from a 5 gallon pot in March of 2010. This picture is from October of 2010:

And here it is today, August 2014:

A view from the other side, looking at the base:

This palm has seen low temperatures of 29 and highs of 110+. I don't recall any burn from cold or heat. The only issue it seems to have is that white fly and ants love it. But as long as I spray it down with a hose, it doesn't get too bad. I have removed some nearby Hibiscus lately that were white fly breeding grounds, so that seems to have helped as well.

I wish I had planted more of these in my yard when I had the space.

If you have Clinostigma Savoryanum growing in your garden (anywhere in the world, not just CA), please feel free to post pics here. I'd love to see them. Thanks!

[Jim in Los Altos]

I had a C. ponapence in a mostly shaded position for several years until the freeze of 2007 that was just too much for it. I'd love to try C. savoryanum. Jason, yours is striking!

[LJG]

Nice work Jason. Grown perfectly.

[richnorm]

Looks great. Mine are making good progress now. Here's a mid-winter shot but not the best photography! It would be a fair bit cooler here and a lot wetter.

cheers

Richard

[Capnrey]

I've got a very young one of these - a seedling . I dunnno . . .I hope I can keep it alive - let alone see it grow bigger.

[comic097]

Great pics Jason and Richnorm, i absolutely love this palm, hoping to get a few in my yard in the not to distant future.

Thanks for posting guys

[Walter John]

Nice growth, well done, we saw a few nice ones of these in California.

[Tyrone]

What a beautiful palm. Seeing it grow to perfection in NZ is quite exciting. I have a few little seedlings which I hope I can grow as good as the ones pictured in this thread. How does harlandii compare?

[Tyrone]

I had a C. ponapence in a mostly shaded position for several years until the freeze of 2007 that was just too much for it. I'd love to try C. savoryanum. Jason, yours is striking!

That's quite tropical isn't it. I think you'd be able to grow savoryanum and harlandii to perfection. You've got the gift.

[Jeff Searle]

Very nice Jason. A real accent to the gardens.

[Firepalm]

Wow Jason, I'm impressed. Almost makes me want to try one again. I lost a large five gallon sized one this spring that had been in the ground for about a year. Considering that we had a very mild winter and it still gradually succumbed to rot, I figured it was just too cold sensitive to bother with. All of my petioles gradually collapsed over a two month period. I was treating it with hydrogen peroxide and Daconil, but it just got uglier and uglier until I tore it out and replaced it with a Kentiopsis Oliviformis which seem to grow much better for me.

[Hilo Jason]

Firepalm- you can't go wrong with Kentiopsis Oliviformis, but I would encourage you to give Clinostigma another shot. Heck, try a couple in different spots and maybe you'll get at least one to root in nice and get moving for you

[BS Man about Palms]

Looking Sweet Jason! Mine has about a foot of trunk now, very happy.

Actually a GOOD purchase from Clark.

[Kostas]

Looking awesome Jason!!!

[Jim in Los Altos]

I had a C. ponapence in a mostly shaded position for several years until the freeze of 2007 that was just too much for it. I'd love to try C. savoryanum. Jason, yours is striking!

That's quite tropical isn't it. I think you'd be able to grow savoryanum and harlandii to perfection. You've got the gift.

I thought I was through purchasing palms for the season but I got weak and ordered a one gallon C. savoryanum after looking at Jason's more than a few times. It's a stunning palm.

[MattyB]

Nicely grown Jason! I took out a temp canopy tree a, couple of years ago and was pleasantly surprised at how mine took to full midday sun for many hours.

[Hilo Jason]

Jim - good to hear you ordered one. I'm sure it will do great at your place.

Matty - nice to know about the sun yours is taking. I am slowly trimming and thinning out the jacaranda over mine with the long term plan of eventually taking it out entirely.

[MattyB]

It'll fatten up more that way.

[BS Man about Palms]

Well, heres mine.. a little too bright for great pix... but a bonus Lepidorachis in the foreground left!

I think because one side of the palm was on a mini slope, the base grew towards stabilty and moisture, however, the top leans back towards the slope because thats where the sun is...

[BS Man about Palms]

And the foliage.... This has been a great grower for me in coastal So Cal.. It looks like it could easily handle half day sun or more.

[Hilo Jason]

Thanks for the pics Bill

[Jim in Los Altos]

Okay, I succumbed. Two weeks ago I had zero. Last week I planted a tiny one. Today I planted six plump one gallon C. savoryanum throughout my front yard in mostly shady positions. There should be enough time for them to settle in and root out in the warm soil before winter hits. I'm crossing my fingers.

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

He he, I am a bad influence on Jim. Those clinostigma are awesome. But beware, all the stuff in this Floribunda order is super, super tender, the stuff really needs major hardening off. Seems like they have Florida style weather In Hawaii with the warmer waters, and the hurricane and torrential rains plus Jeff pushing the hell out of the plants means more time is needed to get stuff acclimated. One of my clinostigma was in a little bit of sun, just one hour was enough for some burn marks. Three of my other plants in the order were exposed to full sun for just one hour at 95F, that was enough to fry at least one of the seedlings, the other two will be ok but with some burn marks.

Glad you didn't see the rest of my order, the archont. crinita are beautiful!

[Jim in Los Altos]

Axel, I've learned my lesson with most Floribunda palms as far as sun exposure goes. I've heard that C. savoryanum are pretty sensitive to full sun until mature anyway so all mine are in shady protected spots. What is Archont. crinita that you mentioned?

[KennyRE317]

He he, I am a bad influence on Jim. Those clinostigma are awesome. But beware, all the stuff in this Floribunda order is super, super tender, the stuff really needs major hardening off. Seems like they have Florida style weather In Hawaii with the warmer waters, and the hurricane and torrential rains plus Jeff pushing the hell out of the plants means more time is needed to get stuff acclimated. One of my clinostigma was in a little bit of sun, just one hour was enough for some burn marks. Three of my other plants in the order were exposed to full sun for just one hour at 95F, that was enough to fry at least one of the seedlings, the other two will be ok but with some burn marks.

Glad you didn't see the rest of my order, the archont. crinita are beautiful!

i was hoping to get a floribunda order in this season but i'll wait until next season since i spent the whole year planting what i have and more prepping but i got a pair of Dypsis leptocheilos from florida were large 1gal plants (going to assume it's floribunda sized 1gal since i heard their plants are pretty large) but they went out in full all day sun until around 4pm-5pm and they only had burned on the original fronds and everything else has been flawless, i think 4 leaves so far since planting 1/1/14

[MattyB]

Here's my triple C. savoryanum. These were 1 leafers in 2006. I originally had about 10 of them, but many died in pots, so I ended up with three that I planted out in Spring of 2011 . Before the canopy filled in, they were taking about a half day in full midday sun.

[Mandrew968]

I just don't know how you guys get around all those water restrictions, in California. Looking good, Matty--almost like a Carpoxylon, at that size.

[Jim in Los Altos]

I just don't know how you guys get around all those water restrictions, in California. Looking good, Matty--almost like a Carpoxylon, at that size.

The only restrictions waterwise here are: Don't water the cement, Wash your car with a nozzle, and don't water to the point of waterlogged runoff. None of my palms have suffered this summer. In fact, with the consistantly warmer humid nights this year, lot's of my palms have grown more than usual. Now, if we have another skimpy rainy season, it will be a different story. Our rainy season starts later in October and I'm keeping my fingers crossed tightly.

[Mandrew968]

I hope for the best for you, Jim. You and Axel seem to be in a good place, water wise. SoCal from what I hear(GTlevine and Stevetoad) is cracking down on water usage and that sucks, since they have little water in the first place.

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Those look very nice Matty, super healthy. But 2006, that's a long time, talk about slow! That's 5 years just to get something you can plant, and another 3 years just to get to the size you have now. I guess I should reset my expectations and plant mine in some place where I can wait a long time.

Andrew, I can't speak for others, but I water my palms within the restrictions because there is a $50 fine per excessive unit going over our allotment. My palms each get about 4-6 gallons per week, and that seems to work. I provide some supplemental drip by taking a hose with a more rapid drip end to various palms that look like they could use a little extra help, mostly those palms that are recently planted and therefore don't have a good established set of deep roots to leverage the regular drip delivery. I have to admit that I am paying the price with less growth. Jim has no water restrictions. Not only do I have water restrictions, but my garden is on a hillside where stuff tends to drain fast.

[Mandrew968]

With our rainy season wanning, now is the time I get clients sending me pictures of their palms looking half dead. I also tend to lose more at this time, than any other--the past rains make you lazy with watering, and when that rain stops and the sun keeps on going, things shrivel up and die quickly! We have no water restrictions, currently, but you still have to go out there and shoot the hose; my sprinklers don't get everywhere...

[neoflora]

Here is a picture of mine. I have 6 foot tall 15 gal size plants grown from this seed. Has been seeding for years. Seeds germinated underneath the palm.

[MattyB]

Those look very nice Matty, super healthy. But 2006, that's a long time, talk about slow! That's 5 years just to get something you can plant, and another 3 years just to get to the size you have now. I guess I should reset my expectations and plant mine in some place where I can wait a long time.

Andrew, I can't speak for others, but I water my palms within the restrictions because there is a $50 fine per excessive unit going over our allotment. My palms each get about 4-6 gallons per week, and that seems to work. I provide some supplemental drip by taking a hose with a more rapid drip end to various palms that look like they could use a little extra help, mostly those palms that are recently planted and therefore don't have a good established set of deep roots to leverage the regular drip delivery. I have to admit that I am paying the price with less growth. Jim has no water restrictions. Not only do I have water restrictions, but my garden is on a hillside where stuff tends to drain fast.

Patience is a virtue

[mwardlow]

Here are mine from 10/09 until today.

[Mr Rare]

Very nicely done Jason.

C. savoryanum is an excellent and handsome addition.

[Mandrew968]

Patience is a virtue

A virtue I thought I knew. Not until I was a parent did I really begin to understand all this word entails. Palms are just plants we wait on--they don't involve the same care, dilligence, lack of sleep and true altruistic approach. In the end, it has given me perspective and made me a better grower. Hope that was not too off topic...

[Hilo Jason]

MattyB - good idea planting as a triple. Looks good already and will be very nice as they get larger.

[JasonD]

Looks great. Mine are making good progress now. Here's a mid-winter shot but not the best photography! It would be a fair bit cooler here and a lot wetter.

cheers

Richard

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Wow! I'm amazed you've been able to grow C. savoryanum in New Zealand, and to perfection. Bravo! Are you north of Auckland? I've forgotten your location.

[JasonD]

Here's my triple C. savoryanum. These were 1 leafers in 2006. I originally had about 10 of them, but many died in pots, so I ended up with three that I planted out in Spring of 2011 . Before the canopy filled in, they were taking about a half day in full midday sun.

Looking great. They'll be very ornamental as they start trunking and leaning.

[richnorm]

Looks great. Mine are making good progress now. Here's a mid-winter shot but not the best photography! It would be a fair bit cooler here and a lot wetter.

cheers

Richard

IMG_6158.JPG

Wow! I'm amazed you've been able to grow C. savoryanum in New Zealand, and to perfection. Bravo! Are you north of Auckland? I've forgotten your location.

West of Auckland in a hilly rainforest setting. Less heat and less cold than the low laying parts. Fraction warmer than Darold's I would guess but never freezing.