Clinostigma Savoryanum - 4 year update in California

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Looks great. Mine are making good progress now. Here's a mid-winter shot but not the best photography! It would be a fair bit cooler here and a lot wetter.

cheers

Richard

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Wow! I'm amazed you've been able to grow C. savoryanum in New Zealand, and to perfection. Bravo! Are you north of Auckland? I've forgotten your location.

Jason, I am convinced this palm is a go in the Bay area's milder and cooler coastal climates, as long as you can keep frost off of it.

[cagary]

Here's mine after about 3 years in the ground. Never any winter damage at all. Five full fronds. About 10 miles inland from the Pacific in south Orange County, CA.

[dalmatiansoap]

Stunning!

[Hilo Jason]

Very nice Gary! What size was it when you planted it?

[Tassie_Troy1971]

Great looking palm jason grown to perfection !

[Hilo Jason]

Thanks Troy. Its opening another leaf right now. Here's a picture from this morning with the c. Hookeri begging for attention too!

[Jim in Los Altos]

Great shot, Jason. Both those palms are beauties!

[jeevesjank]

Beautiful palms! I used to live in Del Mar, and I've only drove through Fallbrook. I remember it looking like it got significantly harsher winters than the coast, but maybe that's not the case? What's zone is Fallbrook? I apologize if this was mentioned before and I missed it.

[Hilo Jason]

Great shot, Jason. Both those palms are beauties!

Thanks jim!

[Hilo Jason]

Beautiful palms! I used to live in Del Mar, and I've only drove through Fallbrook. I remember it looking like it got significantly harsher winters than the coast, but maybe that's not the case? What's zone is Fallbrook? I apologize if this was mentioned before and I missed it.

Thanks! We do get colder than the coast in winter and warmer in summer. There is quite a lot of difference as far as microclimates and zones in Fallbrook. I am fortunate to live on a bit of a hill so the cold drains nicely below me. In the 5 years I've been in this house I have seen 29 as a low. That was only one winter though. Most lows will be in the 40s and maybe dip down into the mid to high 30s. The highs can be 110 but its rare. The past few days have been 102-104 here.

[el-blanco]

Would love to see an update on these palms in your gardens.  I just bought a very large 20 gallon I am planting next week.  Pictures to follow.

 

[richnorm]

Still doing well unlike my photography!

[tim_brissy_13]

28 minutes ago, richnorm said:

Still doing well unlike my photography!

Amazing!

[WaianaeCrider]

Mine went in the ground last November from 1 gal pot.  I'll get an 10 month or so update tomorrow.

[WaianaeCrider]

13 hours ago, WaianaeCrider said:

Mine went in the ground last November from 1 gal pot.  I'll get an 10 month or so update tomorrow.

Here is the today photo...8 months in the ground...About the same size but it's putting out Pinnate leaves.  Took off shade cloth for about 3 days and it got sun burn so I put it back up.  Maybe I'll give it another year before I try again.  July sun in Wai`anae is HOT!

[Hilo Jason]

On 8/12/2014 at 6:10 PM, Hilo Jason said:

Clinostigma Savoryanum has been a good grower here for me in Fallbrook, CA. This palm gets some morning sun, and then shade in the afternoon.

It was planted from a 5 gallon pot in March of 2010. This picture is from October of 2010:

 

 

And here it is today, August 2014:

 

 

A view from the other side, looking at the base:

 

 

Here's the final photos I have of this Clinostigma Savoryanum.  We sold this house in October of 2019.  These photos below were taking in June 2019.  Hopefully the new owners are enjoying it still.  My daughter provides some good scale. 

 

[Billeb]

31 minutes ago, Hilo Jason said:

 

 

 

 

The trunks on these palms are awesome. I’ve got a small 5G that is acclimating as we speak. Plan is to throw it in the ground next spring. 

[Tracy]

On 7/30/2021 at 7:05 PM, Hilo Jason said:

My daughter provides some good scale. 

 

I think I need to up the water on mine based on seeing this photo with your daughter and the ring spacing on it.  Mine gets lots of abuse in that I'm not living in this house to pay attention to it and have to rely on a gardener and the tenants.  Fortunately, I just planted a baby in Leucadia, so will be giving it far better care and attention and I'll have my sights set on achieving the ring spacing you did in Fallbrook.

[Hilo Jason]

3 hours ago, Tracy said:

I think I need to up the water on mine based on seeing this photo with your daughter and the ring spacing on it.  Mine gets lots of abuse in that I'm not living in this house to pay attention to it and have to rely on a gardener and the tenants.  Fortunately, I just planted a baby in Leucadia, so will be giving it far better care and attention and I'll have my sights set on achieving the ring spacing you did in Fallbrook.

Honestly I wondered at times if that one in Fallbrook was a hybrid. I don’t see many (even here in Hawaii) with ring spacing like that. They always seem much more compacted. I had another in Fallbrook about 8 feet away from that one that was planted at the same time and was much slower and had compact spacing.   

Even here in Hilo where we have abundant rain, mine looks like this:

[realarch]

I’m still confused about how you can tell if it’s savoryanum or something else. One of the characteristics is a smaller stature than say, C. samoense, but what are the other identifiers? Mine is growing on fractured blue rock, so naturally it’s going to have a smaller habit, but it looks like a samoense. I did acquire it as C. savoryanum, but I’ve read where many specimens have been incorrectly labeled. Looking at some of the photos in this thread, I wonder if that is the case. 

It’s a handsome palm whatever it is.

Here are a few photos from this morning. It’s about ready to shed an old leaf.

Tim

[Tracy]

2 hours ago, realarch said:

I’m still confused about how you can tell if it’s savoryanum or something else. One of the characteristics is a smaller stature than say, C. samoense, but what are the other identifiers? Mine is growing on fractured blue rock, so naturally it’s going to have a smaller habit, but it looks like a samoense. I did acquire it as C. savoryanum, but I’ve read where many specimens have been incorrectly labeled. Looking at some of the photos in this thread, I wonder if that is the case. 

It’s a handsome palm whatever it is.

Here are a few photos from this morning. It’s about ready to shed an old leaf.

Tim

Tim, I was just over looking at mine a couple of days prior to when I took the last photo, and it had the identical look to the dying crownshaft as yours.  I snapped the picture after it had fallen off.  I guess here in California, since C savoryanum is the most cool hardy of the genus, anything that isn't really pure C savoryanum would likely have to be either a hybrid (with a little hybrid vigor, as Jason seems to be saying was possible about his in Fallbrook) or I've seen the photos of a couple of C harlandii on Palmpedia.  So for us, it's probably a simpler question because so many other Clinostigma just are no goes here.  You don't have the limitations there that we do, so it's a bit more complicated question as to whether this specimen you posted is smaller because of the constraints of soil where it's planted or if the size is an indicator that it really is C savoryanum.  Living here, I have too little experience with the other species in the genus to be of help in disproving or proving the assertion that yours is C savoryanum so will go on trust from the party you acquired it from.

[realarch]

An update of the palm in the above post, the leaf sheath finally fell off. It’s beautiful.

Tim

 

[MoPalm]

On 8/16/2014 at 8:24 AM, Jim in Los Altos said:

I thought I was through purchasing palms for the season but I got weak and ordered a one gallon C. savoryanum after looking at Jason's more than a few times. It's a stunning palm.

Hi Jim, 

Do you have a recent photos of your C. Savoryanum? I am wondering how are they doing in our cold-cool winters and hot summers. 

[Christopher Dillman]

On 8/12/2014 at 9:10 PM, Hilo Jason said:

 

I wish I had planted more of these in my yard when I had the space.

 

If you have Clinostigma Savoryanum growing in your garden (anywhere in the world, not just CA), please feel free to post pics here. I'd love to see them. Thanks!

I'd like to join the club. 😊

Know where I can score a 5g or 15g of these? I'm based in Encinitas.

[Hilo Jason]

1 hour ago, Christopher Dillman said:

I'd like to join the club. 😊

Know where I can score a 5g or 15g of these? I'm based in Encinitas.

I would think that Josh @ Fairview would be a good place to start, or Jungle Music there in Encinitas.  

[Jim in Los Altos]

5 hours ago, MoPalm said:

Hi Jim, 

Do you have a recent photos of your C. Savoryanum? I am wondering how are they doing in our cold-cool winters and hot summers. 

Mo, Until mid summer, mine was doing well. It suddenly stopped growing in late August and by mid September it was left with just a green spear and nothing else. It eventually snapped at its base. It was a good couple of years run but I think it’s just to cool overall for the species here. 

[MoPalm]

Thanks for the update. I will just skip trying this specie here then. 

[Hilo Jason]

I have 3 Clinistigma Savoryanum planted in my new garden. These were planted as 5 gallon palms about 3 years ago. Hard to get photos as this area is a bit jungly and has seen pretty incredible growth overall. 
 

 

Clinostigma is probably one of my favorite palm genus and I’m happy to have a bit more room in this garden to plant more of them. My previous 1/2 acre garden didn’t feel large enough for the Samonense and Ponapense species. The coloring on all Clinostigma is amazing. Love that lime green and white. 

[MoPalm]

They look beautiful Jason. I like your garden in Fallbrook too, I remember seeing many photos. Do you photos of your new garden? 

[Hilo Jason]

12 hours ago, MoPalm said:

They look beautiful Jason. I like your garden in Fallbrook too, I remember seeing many photos. Do you photos of your new garden? 

You can check out my newest garden here:  

 

[MoPalm]

19 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Mo, Until mid summer, mine was doing well. It suddenly stopped growing in late August and by mid September it was left with just a green spear and nothing else. It eventually snapped at its base. It was a good couple of years run but I think it’s just to cool overall for the species here. 

 

1 hour ago, Hilo Jason said:

You can check out my newest garden here:  

You are in real paradise! Very hard work too. Thanks for sharing everything. So many beautiful palms and dypsis that I never heard of. 

[Brad52]

Don’t know which this is?

[realarch]

22 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

I have 3 Clinistigma Savoryanum planted in my new garden. These were planted as 5 gallon palms about 3 years ago. Hard to get photos as this area is a bit jungly and has seen pretty incredible growth overall. 
 

 

Clinostigma is probably one of my favorite palm genus and I’m happy to have a bit more room in this garden to plant more of them. My previous 1/2 acre garden didn’t feel large enough for the Samonense and Ponapense species. The coloring on all Clinostigma is amazing. Love that lime green and white. 

Jason, those are so beautiful and reminds me of a trio I had a few years back. Because of their eventual size and some sort of a banana moth disease, I had to remove them. Here is a photo from 2012, just incredible palms. 

Tim

[Hilo Jason]

16 hours ago, realarch said:

Jason, those are so beautiful and reminds me of a trio I had a few years back. Because of their eventual size and some sort of a banana moth disease, I had to remove them. Here is a photo from 2012, just incredible palms. 

Tim

Amazing!

[Hilo Jason]

20 hours ago, Brad52 said:

Don’t know which this is?

I would guess that is Samoense due to the bottle like shape of the trunk and droopy leaflets. Looks just like mine that I got as Samoense from a reliable source. Did you plant it when it was young, and if so did it have entire leaves?  Seems like that’s also a trait of Samoense. Here’s a couple of mine:

 

[Brad52]

1 hour ago, Hilo Jason said:

I would guess that is Samoense due to the bottle like shape of the trunk and droopy leaflets. Looks just like mine that I got as Samoense from a reliable source. Did you plant it when it was young, and if so did it have entire leaves?  Seems like that’s also a trait of Samoense. Here’s a couple of mine:

 

Jason, yes, it was a one gallon without split leaves - thanks!

[realarch]

Another pic, looking good the other day. 

Tim

[Matt in OC]

I have one the ground with some trunk. So far, so good in SoCal.

[BS Man about Palms]

Decided to do a poor up date on mine.. It has flowered a couple times.. currently is now, too.

 

 

[Palms1984]

Here’s a Clinostigma savoryanum at the San Diego Zoo.  I believe it was planted back in 2007 or 2008.  I believe it’s approximately 25 ft tall.  Photo was taken on September 27, 2024.