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Waiting on Keith

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Got these sabals from Faith Bishock at a South Florida Palm Society sale at Montgomery awhile back. They were 1 gallon plants that my intentions were to plant out in my garden. After some time elapsed, it was realized that I had neither the space nor a sunny enough area for these palms.

They were offered to Keith which he readily showed an interest. At that point I stepped them up to 7 gallon containers as they were very difficult to keep hydrated in the threes. Keith is very well traveled but has as of yet made it down to South Florida. More time has passed. Problem is that although they may not appear that large crown wise, the roots are very extensive and the subterranean trunk is rapidly expanding. They were set on pavers and the roots found their way into the cracks. If Keith does not get here soon, I have no choice but to step them up into 15 gallon containers.

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Sabal causiarum roots wandering from drain holes. Its getting crowded in there.

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Keith in Louisiana, right?

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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Oh man, make me feel guilty why don't you. :winkie: OK. this my highest priority. I'll make it happen.

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I have an idea.... :sleep:

Ken, are you driving this way?

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I have an idea.... :sleep:

Ken, are you driving this way?

Yep! Now if Moose could bring them Monday night? :greenthumb:

Sounds like a plan - saves me the task of stepping them up. My intention was to keep them getting bigger. Theory being that bigger would be be hardier for Keith's cold events.

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Keith in Louisiana, right?

Yes, Louisiana Keith. Sorry if you got enthused, should have specified. :blink2:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Oh man, make me feel guilty why don't you. :winkie: OK. this my highest priority. I'll make it happen.

Nothing to feel guilty about Keith. Weeding, fertilizing and watering them was fun. Problem is that they are starting to look pretty good and I would be less then honest by not admitting contemplating guerrilla planting them across the street. The Sabal mexicana should do fine for you. The question remains if you could get the Sabal causarium large enough fast enough that it can make it through your winters. Its the Sabal causarium in southern Louisiana experiment. Hopefully documented here on Palm Talk. :interesting:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Keith in Louisiana, right?

Yes, Louisiana Keith. Sorry if you got enthused, should have specified. :blink2:

NA, just kidding around.

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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Ken, you should drop these off with Keith on the way to delivering some of your massive Kentiopsis to Norcal! :mrlooney:

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My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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looks like they need to go to someones garden soon :greenthumb:

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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They will have a very good home here. And I think I know just the right Thank You gift to send the Moose in return.

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This is a good read by the way. Look forward to seeing these inground.

Happy Gardening

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Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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I will be preparing the holes this weekend.

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They will have a very good home here. And I think I know just the right Thank You gift to send the Moose in return.

Don't send food, with Ken driving it has about as much of a chance making it here as a Pigafetta surviving through your winter :floor:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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I have an idea.... :sleep:

Ken, are you driving this way?

Yep! Now if Moose could bring them Monday night? :greenthumb:

These will be well traveled palms. Sprouted and nurtured to one gallons by Faith Bishock in Old Myakka, Florida. Went to South Florida Palm Society Sale at Montgomery, then on to the Moose Land. Heading tonight to Fairchild Tropical Botanical Garden to visit the South Florida Palm Society Holiday Party where they will be handed off to Ken Johnson. They will then move down to Goulds, Florida until delivered to Keith in Southern Louisiana.

Keith - your palms are ...

Here they are loaded up and waiting to head to Fairchild.

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Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Got some pretty little yellow landscaping flags marking their spots.

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Don't worry about causiarum in the river parishes. I have two up in Natchez ten years in the ground from YuccaDo 1gal plants. Big, beautiful, carefree and never damaged by cold. Same of course for Mexicana. My experience under those climatic conditions is that they are slower than Mexicana, which are slower than Palmetto.

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Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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Don't worry about causiarum in the river parishes. I have two up in Natchez ten years in the ground from YuccaDo 1gal plants. Big, beautiful, carefree and never damaged by cold. Same of course for Mexicana. My experience under those climatic conditions is that they are slower than Mexicana, which are slower than Palmetto.

Michael - That sounds most promising for their survival in Keith's garden. Especially since they are already established 7 gallon container palms. I am speculating that when Keith plants them that there will not be many new emergent fronds, most of the energies will be dedicated to root expansion and further subterranean trunk development. After a couple of years, they will really start to crank.

When dealing with young Sabals, you pretty much need to trust the source from whom they were acquired. My experiences with these two palms correlates with your experiences. The S mexicana is faster then the S causarium.

By the way Keith, I no longer have the palms. They were delivered Monday night as promised. Its now the Keith and Ken Johnson show.

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Keith and Ken Johnson show ? Is that touring Australia ? Which one's the straight guy ?

Happy Gardening

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Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Experimental arm b here in houma, la I have a 2 gallon causarium from jungle music

I wonder who else is out there in SW Louisiana with us, Chad, pushing the envelope.

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Keith and Ken Johnson show ? Is that touring Australia ? Which one's the straight guy ?

Santa is going to be a bit late. The show continues December 28th, the anticipated delivery date. Keith, its your thread now.

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Spot I had picked out got vetoed by the spousal unit :-) today. Of course I had a plan B. Now all I need is a couple yard of dirt. :-(

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Ken's gonna swing a few cycads my way....who knew he was a cycad lover. Will post pics. Been getting quite the collection going on cold hardy cycads.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

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Ken's gonna swing a few cycads my way....who knew he was a cycad lover. Will post pics. Been getting quite the collection going on cold hardy cycads.

Ken's gonna swing a few cycads my way....who knew he was a cycad lover. Will post pics. Been getting quite the collection going on cold hardy cycads.

Make sure to put some photos in the other forum! Im a secret cycad lover :yay:

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Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

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Plan B under construction. This 16x16x18x8 bed will give it plenty of room to grow. There is a Trachy off in the far corner. Trying to figure out what companion plantings will go in there. Probably a row of Hamellia across the back. Front left, some sort of specimen small tree, maybe a Mexican Buckeye. Also, maybe some Chamaerops.

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Keith whats you lowest temp that you have recorded thus far in you garden since you got the palm bug????????????????

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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In 2002 it was 23, in 2010 we got 20, 19, 21. I lost all of my marginal stuff that year did not replace. Last year was really bad, not quite the ultimate Lowe's we had in 2010 but two different hits in the very low 20's, with an ice storm between the two. Things have recovered, but a few still look bad. On an average year we might have one night 28, 29. We have had many years with no freezes.

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And a warm December like this one is enough to give a crazy Cajun palm grower "ZDS" zone denial syndrome

sssssh. What a winter so far, I'm loving it. Out in the yard every weekend working in the garden in shorts and a t-shirt. Kind of making up for last year.

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Don't Jinx us buddy....

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

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I guess you don't want to know what the weather was like the week before the Epic 100+ year 1989 freeze. :evil:

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