2014/2015 Winter in south Europe

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Come on guys - I've deleted a few posts that got too personal and/or not written in the friendly courteous manner we prefer here.

Please get back on topic and don't address each other personally with impolite terms and language. This is a great thread, with a lot of good info and photos. I don't want to have to delete the whole thing.

Agreed.

[Cikas]

Hahahahaha OMG PEOPLE !! Come on !!

We can grow citrus in spain and Croatie that the most important ! Enought !! Ww3

Yes, but Cikas can't stop writing as we are seeing

pRoeZa* I think you should stop being so rude & claiming to know everything about other forum members climates from a few bits & pieces you find off the internet. And stop your obsession to try & discredit everyone elses climate to try & make yours look better, it is very immature...

Anyway getting back on topic...

It's raining here at the moment but the weekend looks warmer with sunshine thankfully

I agree. pRoeZa* is very rude and constantly attacking everyone.

He cleary does not know anything about any of our climates. Maybe he does not know much about his own climate too.

I have to admit that you are a funny guy. I don't invented anything I was just arguing with official data, from TuTiempo, from a official government Croatian website (at the first) and now from the FAO, which is the most important organization for agriculture in this world. I will not start talking again about climates with people like you that state you're a lier showing them official data. You saying to me that i'm rude telling me liar even without checking the link i've putted as source... from the United Nations. But i'm the rude guy.

For example SouthSeaNate showed me i'm wrong and I finally agreed with him. But you... mate... you don't change your opinion even showing you official data from trusted sites so this can't go anywhere.

But ok, whatever you say. This ends now, please keep going with the thread. 2014/2015 winter in South Europe.

Official data that is not for Dubrovnik. And you are constantly deliberately ignoring the official data for actual Dubrovnik.

Because you know that you are wrong,

1. http://www.tutiempo.net/clima/Dubrovnik_Cilipi/144740.htm which has marks from 1996 to 2014

2. http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/est/COMM_MARKETS_MONITORING/Citrus/Documents/CITRUS_BULLETIN_2012.pdf which englobes ALL NATIONS FROM THE WORLD.

What I've used: Official data from TuTiempo which is based on croatian weather stations and the other one is from the FAO, Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. But huh! I'm an liar, inventer, and I don't know about what i'm talking. Those are your accusations, but i'm the rude guy here. Seeing is believing!

Look at your statement: "because import ones from Spain are very cheap, even if their quality is not good" that is a real lie. I'm sure that the FAO don't put Croatia in the list not because you don't have extended commercial exportations, because they are against Croatia. Of course.

Ok mate whatever you say. You "won". I don't want to keep going with this. I wrote all I needed to, official data and official charts. I don't want to keep it with this nonesenseless conversation.

Again you are using data for Cilipi. High altitude village, that is the coldest in whole Konavle area. And has nothing to do with Dubrovnik.

I already gave you Dubrovnik data from Tutiempo, which you are constantly and deliberately ignoring.

I also gave you photos, articles, videos. Many proofs. So like I already said, you are trolling this topic and you are very rude.

Avocado

lemons

Edited January 28, 2015 by Cikas

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

You gave me articles, videos, and whatever you want... but all of them are nonesenseless, they haven't got nothing related with the fact as the United Nations say.

Now you put me the photo of an avocado plant. Is this a joke ? What has that to see with the reality? The reality is that as FAO shows Croatia only as an importer.

Croatia is not a notable producer, it has only a few production, Little to be considered, like i've said you some few times ago, El Salvador is counted in the list with only "71" which is about 45 times less than Italy production and 90 times less than Spain's production. And it's still counted; even having a little production but enough to be considered. Croatia is not even that, and that's what the FAO says; i'm not saying that or inventing the data, that's the unique official data where you can consult if a country has an enough production to be considered or not.

But i'm the trolling guy, i'm the rude guy... ok. You won mate. I argued with official data. You say i'm trolling so ok, this ends here. Please take note on what the admin said and stop this and keep with the thread title.

Edited January 28, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[Cikas]

Climate data for Dubrovnik

http://en.tutiempo.net/climate/ws-144720.html

Climate data from high altitude village Cilipi in Konavle area.

http://en.tutiempo.net/climate/ws-134520.html

[Cikas]

You gave me articles, videos, and whatever you want... but all of them are nonesenseless, they haven't got nothing related with the fact as the United Nations say.

Now you put me the photo of an avocado plant. Is this a joke ? What has that to see with the reality? The reality is that as FAO shows Croatia only as an importer. Croatia is not a notable producer, it has only a few production, Little to be considered, like i've said you some few times ago, El Salvador is counted in the list with only "71" which is about 45 times less than Italy production and 90 times less than Spain's production. And it's still counted; even having a little production but enough to be considered. Croatia is not even that and that's the FAO says, that's the unique official data where you can consult if a country has an production to be considered or not.

But i'm the trolling guy, i'm the rude guy... ok. You won mate. I argued with official data. You say i'm trolling so ok, this ends here. Please take note on what the admin said and stop with this and keep with the thread title.

Again you are still rude and ignoring proofs and facts.

Like I said read arcticles, watch videos.

Here is more articles in english about Croatian Citrus exporting.

Croatia is the fifth largest exporter of citrus in Europe.

http://www.eurofresh-distribution.com/news/russian-embargo-hitting-croatian-mandarin-growers-hard

http://dalje.com/en-croatia/croatian-meps-welcome-ecs-decision-on-mandarins/522329

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDUQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FTomislav_Jemric2%2Fpublication%2F230785833_Fruit_quality_of_Satsuma_mandarin_in_Croatia__problems_and_perspectives%2Flinks%2F02e7e533d8793bb8f1000000.pdf&ei=tDLIVL_JJtPkaKyKgbgI&usg=AFQjCNFWNSOoaeFCYyFbh7wNL0p7C2NtJw&sig2=pGdFqhTjvRljyk4s4D5U-Q&bvm=bv.84607526,d.d2s

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/122245/Russia-imports-of-mandarin-and-grapefruit-on-the-increase

Edited January 28, 2015 by Cikas

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Climate data for Dubrovnik

http://en.tutiempo.net/climate/ws-144720.html

Climate data from high altitude village Cilipi in Konavle area.

http://en.tutiempo.net/climate/ws-134520.html

"High altitude village" : It's 70m upon the sea level. and it's 1km away from the sea. Anyway in TuTiempo it appears like Dubrovnik too. It's between 0 and 100m altitude: http://goo.gl/maps/QdaNx

That's the climate chart for Dubrovnik airport which is Cilipi; but your airport is located near the sea and almost near sea level. But well, it's the first time you say this to me and without being rude so I congrat you.

You gave me articles, videos, and whatever you want... but all of them are nonesenseless, they haven't got nothing related with the fact as the United Nations say.

Now you put me the photo of an avocado plant. Is this a joke ? What has that to see with the reality? The reality is that as FAO shows Croatia only as an importer. Croatia is not a notable producer, it has only a few production, Little to be considered, like i've said you some few times ago, El Salvador is counted in the list with only "71" which is about 45 times less than Italy production and 90 times less than Spain's production. And it's still counted; even having a little production but enough to be considered. Croatia is not even that and that's the FAO says, that's the unique official data where you can consult if a country has an production to be considered or not.

But i'm the trolling guy, i'm the rude guy... ok. You won mate. I argued with official data. You say i'm trolling so ok, this ends here. Please take note on what the admin said and stop with this and keep with the thread title.

Again you are still rude and ignoring proofs and facts.

Like I said read arcticles, watch videos.

Here is more articles in english about Croatian Citrus exporting.

http://www.eurofresh-distribution.com/news/russian-embargo-hitting-croatian-mandarin-growers-hard

http://dalje.com/en-croatia/croatian-meps-welcome-ecs-decision-on-mandarins/522329

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDUQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FTomislav_Jemric2%2Fpublication%2F230785833_Fruit_quality_of_Satsuma_mandarin_in_Croatia__problems_and_perspectives%2Flinks%2F02e7e533d8793bb8f1000000.pdf&ei=tDLIVL_JJtPkaKyKgbgI&usg=AFQjCNFWNSOoaeFCYyFbh7wNL0p7C2NtJw&sig2=pGdFqhTjvRljyk4s4D5U-Q&bvm=bv.84607526,d.d2s

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/122245/Russia-imports-of-mandarin-and-grapefruit-on-the-increase

You are sure that i'm the one who ignores the facts ? Here you go again: (I will repeat it one more time, you can grow a lot of oranges talking about your country production but in general terms it's a little bit, not sufficient to be considered globally! even not enough to be considered a low producer country)

http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/est/COMM_MARKETS_MONITORING/Citrus/Documents/CITRUS_BULLETIN_2012.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)#Production

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_production

(please note that here appear all the CITRUS production, not only oranges, they englobe the most tolerant ones to cold like grapefruits or lemons) and even here Croatia doesn't appear again.

Look, even a map if you want: (with all the areas with citrus, included grapefruits and lemons)

If i'm a liar and a troller why you still trying to demostrate that you are right? Ok man I've said you ten times that you win. Ok, stop this. Even the admin said to stop with that and you keep and keep and keep.

But i'm the rude guy, i'm the guy who ignore facts, i'm the guy who tells others liar and troller but the other ones are rude... Ok man. Whatever you say. I will not reply you more with this subject. Regards.

Edited January 28, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[Cikas]

"High altitude village" : It's 70m upon the sea level. and it's 1km away from the sea. Anyway in TuTiempo it appears like Dubrovnik too. It's between 0 and 100m altitude: http://goo.gl/maps/QdaNx

That's the climate chart for Dubrovnik airport which is Cilipi; but your airport is located near the sea and almost near sea level. But well, it's the first time you say this to me and without being rude so I congrat you.

Nope..

Wow, just .......wow.

You are really still debating about this with me. About climate and Country you do not know nothing about, were you never been, with me, who live here.

You really need to read more carefully...

Konavle is very mountainous. Most of the konavle is on high altitude.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Cikas

[Cikas]

You are sure that i'm the one who ignores the facts ? Here you go again: (I will repeat it one more time, you can grow a lot of oranges talking about your country production but in general terms it's a little bit, not sufficient to be considered globally! even not enough to be considered a low producer country)

http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/est/COMM_MARKETS_MONITORING/Citrus/Documents/CITRUS_BULLETIN_2012.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)#Production

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_production

(please note that here appear all the CITRUS production, not only oranges, they englobe the most tolerant ones to cold like grapefruits or lemons) and even here Croatia doesn't appear again.

Look, even a map if you want: (with all the areas with citrus, included grapefruits and lemons)

If i'm a liar and a troller why you still trying to demostrate that you are right? Ok man I've said you ten times that you win. Ok, stop this. Even the admin said to stop with that and you keep and keep and keep.

But i'm the rude guy, i'm the guy who ignore facts, i'm the guy who tells others liar and troller but the other ones are rude... Ok man. Whatever you say. I will not reply you more with this subject. Regards.

That map is wrong.

And I already gave you all the proofs. Proofs that you are constantly ignore. So this is actually sad and very insulting.

And speaks a lot about you as a person.

I really hope that you are not like this in real life.

First you attacked SouthSeaNate, and started debate about Malta, again climate and country you do not know nothing about.

Then you attacked samirbouag, and started debate about Monaco, Sicily, French Riviera, again places and climates you do not know nothing about.

And now you attacked me, and started debate about Dubrovnik and Dalmatia, again places about which you do not know nothing about.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Cikas

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"High altitude village" : It's 70m upon the sea level. and it's 1km away from the sea. Anyway in TuTiempo it appears like Dubrovnik too. It's between 0 and 100m altitude: http://goo.gl/maps/QdaNx

That's the climate chart for Dubrovnik airport which is Cilipi; but your airport is located near the sea and almost near sea level. But well, it's the first time you say this to me and without being rude so I congrat you.

Nope..

Wow, just .......wow.

You are really still debating about this with me. About climate and Country you do not know nothing about, were you never been, with me, who live here.

You really need to read more carefully...

Konavle is very mountainous. Most of the konavle is on high altitude.

You are sure that i'm the one who ignores the facts ? Here you go again: (I will repeat it one more time, you can grow a lot of oranges talking about your country production but in general terms it's a little bit, not sufficient to be considered globally! even not enough to be considered a low producer country)

http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/est/COMM_MARKETS_MONITORING/Citrus/Documents/CITRUS_BULLETIN_2012.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)#Production

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_production

(please note that here appear all the CITRUS production, not only oranges, they englobe the most tolerant ones to cold like grapefruits or lemons) and even here Croatia doesn't appear again.

Look, even a map if you want: (with all the areas with citrus, included grapefruits and lemons)

If i'm a liar and a troller why you still trying to demostrate that you are right? Ok man I've said you ten times that you win. Ok, stop this. Even the admin said to stop with that and you keep and keep and keep.

But i'm the rude guy, i'm the guy who ignore facts, i'm the guy who tells others liar and troller but the other ones are rude... Ok man. Whatever you say. I will not reply you more with this subject. Regards.

That map is wrong.

And I already gave you all the proofs. Proofs that you are constantly ignore. So this is actually sad and very insulting.

And speak a lot about you as a person.

Google Maps puts it lower than the 100m altitude mark. Even with that, temperatures in our climates vary at every ~200m so it's almost the same. And we have to count that it's near the sea too so even being at 160m it's 1km from the sea, the temperatures will be the same at 50m as at 160m. And even if it's 161m and not 70m tell me what's the difference. That's not high altitude nowhere near, it's not even altitude to be considered, I don't know how it goes in Croatia but in Spain high altitude is where it's +1000m from the sea level, cities with 100-200m above the sea level aren't counted as altitude; even to be considered low altitude they need to be somewhere +300m at least in my country.

Ok mate whatever you say... "and speak a lot about you as a person" now you're being rude with me Cikas. Ok man. Let's just return to the thread intentions, cold in Europe not citrus cultivations. And let's be all friends.

Edited January 28, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[Cikas]

In south Dalmatia that is a high altitude. And here it makes huge difference in Konavle.

And to be worst it is a flat altitude, plateau. So cold air stays there.

Because of that, Cilipi and Gruda are coldest in whole south Dalmatia.

You know what Dinaric alps are?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_Alps

Croatian coast is much warmer than Italian coast on Adriatic, because of warm sea currents. In closed seas like the Mediterranean, warm sea currents are flowing in the opposite direction than in the oceans.

So our cost is very warm, but further into the interior becomes much cooler. 30 kilometers into the interior ( from the coast ) can mean 1-2 USDA zones lower climate.

Warm sea currents are nearest to the shore in Dubrovnik area to peljesac peninsula. From Konavle and further south through Montenegro, climate is cooler. The coast becomes again warmer near Greece. And when you add altitude to that it makes huge difference. As you can see when you compare Dubrovnik weather station in Gorica with Cilipi in Konavle.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Cikas

[Cikas]

Freezing night waves in 99% cases bypass Dalmatia.

[Cikas]

Temperatures right now in Dubrovnik and Konavle area ( in Celsius ). It is 3:00 AM.

Difference is obvious.

In Croatia, Italy and other neighboring countries.

As for Citrus species. They are not that tender at all ( USDA 9b, some of them USDA 9a ). They grow just fine in most of Mediterranean.

Iime is the most tender citrus specie ( USDA 10a ), and even lime will grow here.

Lemon is the second most tender citrus specie. Also Avocado and Tamarilo are more tender than almost all citrus species.

Dubrovnik is bordeline USDA 9b/10a, Cilipi are solid USDA 9b.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Cikas

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Well yes if you talk in this way is worth reading you.

Edited January 28, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[Phoenikakias]

Come on guys - I've deleted a few posts that got too personal and/or not written in the friendly courteous manner we prefer here.

Please get back on topic and don't address each other personally with impolite terms and language. This is a great thread, with a lot of good info and photos. I don't want to have to delete the whole thing.

Have I missed something?

[Phoenikakias]

Yes you are right, I don't know so much (not nothing ) about your climate. I just statted on the official temps.

You are agreeing to what i've been saying with plant other new trees every 3-4 years ... that's profituous. And those are local plantations not extended ones, you we're saying that in your country there are extended ones and i've showed you with the FAO official chart that you appear only as importator, the only extended producers from Europe are Spain, Italy, Greece and Cyprus.

You can check another time FAO's chart and you see Croatia only as IMPORTATOR. Croatia has no extended plantations. But even showing you the official numbers maked by the biggest organization of this kind in the world you even don't change your opinion and you keep on what you were saying... ok.. whatever you say buddy, the FAO is lying us

Here you got the link: http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/est/COMM_MARKETS_MONITORING/Citrus/Documents/CITRUS_BULLETIN_2012.pdf

Regards

Again like I said these data are wrong.

Croatia export citrus fruits. Our largest market was Russia. But because of EU sanctions to Russia, we had many problems in that area last year. People working on plantations were angry. They even protested and threw fruits in revolt.

And nope you are wrong. We do not have any problem growing any citrus species. They are not planted every few years.

They never die here because of the climate.

I find this very funny actually, because citrus species are the most common fruits here. They are everywere.

YES, those are the generous benefits of running together with the EU! You should get a full membership asap to enjoy those benefits even more!

Edited January 28, 2015 by Phoenikakias

[Phoenikakias]

"High altitude village" : It's 70m upon the sea level. and it's 1km away from the sea. Anyway in TuTiempo it appears like Dubrovnik too. It's between 0 and 100m altitude: http://goo.gl/maps/QdaNx

That's the climate chart for Dubrovnik airport which is Cilipi; but your airport is located near the sea and almost near sea level. But well, it's the first time you say this to me and without being rude so I congrat you.

Nope..

Wow, just .......wow.

You are really still debating about this with me. About climate and Country you do not know nothing about, were you never been, with me, who live here.

You really need to read more carefully...

Konavle is very mountainous. Most of the konavle is on high altitude.

You are sure that i'm the one who ignores the facts ? Here you go again: (I will repeat it one more time, you can grow a lot of oranges talking about your country production but in general terms it's a little bit, not sufficient to be considered globally! even not enough to be considered a low producer country)

http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/est/COMM_MARKETS_MONITORING/Citrus/Documents/CITRUS_BULLETIN_2012.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)#Production

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_production

(please note that here appear all the CITRUS production, not only oranges, they englobe the most tolerant ones to cold like grapefruits or lemons) and even here Croatia doesn't appear again.

Look, even a map if you want: (with all the areas with citrus, included grapefruits and lemons)

If i'm a liar and a troller why you still trying to demostrate that you are right? Ok man I've said you ten times that you win. Ok, stop this. Even the admin said to stop with that and you keep and keep and keep.

But i'm the rude guy, i'm the guy who ignore facts, i'm the guy who tells others liar and troller but the other ones are rude... Ok man. Whatever you say. I will not reply you more with this subject. Regards.

That map is wrong.

And I already gave you all the proofs. Proofs that you are constantly ignore. So this is actually sad and very insulting.

And speak a lot about you as a person.

Google Maps puts it lower than the 100m altitude mark. Even with that, temperatures in our climates vary at every ~200m so it's almost the same. And we have to count that it's near the sea too so even being at 160m it's 1km from the sea, the temperatures will be the same at 50m as at 160m. And even if it's 161m and not 70m tell me what's the difference. That's not high altitude nowhere near, it's not even altitude to be considered, I don't know how it goes in Croatia but in Spain high altitude is where it's +1000m from the sea level, cities with 100-200m above the sea level aren't counted as altitude; even to be considered low altitude they need to be somewhere +300m at least in my country.

Ok mate whatever you say... "and speak a lot about you as a person" now you're being rude with me Cikas. Ok man. Let's just return to the thread intentions, cold in Europe not citrus cultivations. And let's be all friends.

I have read that up to 1000 feet (about 300 m) altitude temperatures are higher and rise progressively than at sea level. After this threshold however they drop dramatically. Of course we have to take also in to account how exposed to cold northern wind is every place (distance from sea remaining the same).

[dalmatiansoap]

...useless discussion...

to bad where the thread went

[Phoenikakias]

Very interesting link on your signature line I like especially the essay about the due to antibiosis or antixenosis natural resistance of some palms to rpw. Together with Giuseppe we work on same line regarding Phoenix hybrids.

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Yup, 100% true. In summer you can go in front of the sea and you got 30ºC. You can got 5km inland but at 20m altitude and you got 31º, and you get 20km inland at 200-300m altitude and you got 33-34º. But at nights temps get milder at the lower altitudes; for example you here get 25º at night and in that part 20km inland and with a bit of altitude they have 20-21ºC.

For exaple a city called Játiva located 50km from here, at about 40km from the sea if we count in a straight line, they get some type of weird climate. They are quite far from the sea but they have a lot of oranges and tangerines (no no no I don't want to start any dispute again, i'm only saying this as a reference) so I can assume than they get very few light frozens.

It's about 40km from the sea, located at ~300m (it's surrounded by mountains) and they get 35-35.5ºC as average high temperature in July and August, with 19-19.5ºC as average low. (official) while we get 32º as average maximums but 23-24º as average minimums. I still can't imagine why . Is weird the climate of Játiva isn't it ? It's possible to have their microclimate because it's surrounded by high mountains and they retain the cold ¿?

Edited January 29, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[siafu]

It's about 40km from the sea, located at ~300m (it's surrounded by mountains) and they get 35-35.5ºC as average high temperature in July and August, with 19-19.5ºC as average low. (official) while we get 32º as average maximums but 23-24º as average minimums. I still can't imagine why . Is weird the climate of Játiva isn't it ? It's possible to have their microclimate because it's surrounded by high mountains and they retain the cold ¿?

Dew point probably plays a part. Dew point depends greatly on humidity. Temperature at night usually falls until in reaches the dew point. At that point, condensation releases energy/heat and temperature stabilizes.

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Totally different things from last week!

Yesterday and today we got April days. 23,1º maximum and 16.8º minimum. 18,2ºC at 4:40 AM

Now we got 20,8ºC. 7 days ago at this same hour we were at 10º or something like that, with 15º maximum and 6,5º minimum, because we were affronting the cold wave. This week is totally different and today and yesterday are crazy ! Unfortunately it will not last so long because tomorrow will gonna have rain with 18/11 and from sunday we enter in another cold front but milder than the another one. (13/9 predicted for sunday, 14/9 for monday and 15/11 for tuesday)

Edited January 30, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

4:40 AM

Now:

Last 24 hours:

[Cikas]

I have read that up to 1000 feet (about 300 m) altitude temperatures are higher and rise progressively than at sea level. After this threshold however they drop dramatically. Of course we have to take also in to account how exposed to cold northern wind is every place (distance from sea remaining the same).

But in Dalmatia, that is not the case. Temperatures are lower with altitude. Especially if land is flat on higer altitude.

In Dalmatia as you go more inland, you are climbing in the altitude to.

Our climate is mild because of warm Adriatic sea. The farther away from the sea, the climate is colder, because the influence of the sea is weaker.

This influence of the sea and altitude is much more evident on minimal temperatures than on maximal.

Temperatures right now.

Edited January 31, 2015 by Cikas

[SouthSeaNate]

Warm & sunny today after a mild night, though very windy. More rain forecast for next week, though looking drier & warmer by next weekend

And here is a pic of two magnificent & very old Brahea armata that I took last weekend...

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Today crazy weather day. First sun and a lot of wind, then rain, then hard rain for 5 minutes with the sun shining! Then very small hail for 2 minutes, and then sun and hot again. All in just 1 hour!!! This is crazy hahaha.

Today is significantly colder than yesterday. We got only 17,2° compared to the 23,1° of yesterday is a big difference.

Edited January 31, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

The hot leaved us. In 3 days all the southwest of Europe (Spain the most affected) will have the worst cold front of this 2015.

12/5 and 11/4 expected here for friday and sunday. Expected freezes very close to Barcelona. Some parts of the northern coast of the Valencian Community will have temps close to 1° and snow expected at 300m altitude in some places. Almeria keeps with 7° minimum... The cold fronts doesn't affect them or what! Hahaha

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Another weird day. Temps near 15° between 14:30/17:00 (from 14,6 to 14,9) and 11° minimum somewhere between 20:30/21:00. Now 12,4° and it was 13° 2 hours ago.

So this is damn weird climate that we having those days haha!

Edited February 3, 2015 by pRoeZa*

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Northern part of Spain is getting the cold wave. Snows at 300-400m points of 25-30km inland or more in some points from the northernmost coast of Spain (Cantabric Sea, but not close to the sea)

Here we got now 12°C. Normal temps for now... For today was predicted an 6° as low temperature; so it practically doubles it for now. The lowest recorded today is 9,7°C and the maximum 16,8°C. But a looot of wind, the wind reached speeds near 50km/h when it was blowing at the strongest moment from today.

Edited February 4, 2015 by pRoeZa*

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Ooooooooo!!!! SNOW AT THE COAST OF CASTELLON!!!!!!

Valencia city reported SLEET this morning (it was about 7℃) and it snowed a little bit in some parts of the coast of Castellon with 5-6℃; the snow didnt lasted but is something amazing!

But we dont have seen any milimeter

[Kostas]

Nice warm days and nights here, even potted bananas are growing! The forecast is for a dramatic temperature drop at the middle of next week, hope it changes and definitely hope we remain frost free even in cold Melissia. Pyrgos doesn't have much chance for getting a freeze, its less than a week for the last possible frost date and it will be cloudy and raining those nights, which means it can't get a radiational freeze.

My cousin checked on the palms in Pyrgos and reports that all appear perfect, including Archontophoenix. So even the more sensitive palms must have escaped damage from the -2C event the weather station recorded in early January Need to check myself on the most tender small ones to see if Veitchia joannis and Carpoxylon survived, that would be awesome if it happened!

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Nice warm days and nights here, even potted bananas are growing! The forecast is for a dramatic temperature drop at the middle of next week, hope it changes and definitely hope we remain frost free even in cold Melissia. Pyrgos doesn't have much chance for getting a freeze, its less than a week for the last possible frost date and it will be cloudy and raining those nights, which means it can't get a radiational freeze.

My cousin checked on the palms in Pyrgos and reports that all appear perfect, including Archontophoenix. So even the more sensitive palms must have escaped damage from the -2C event the weather station recorded in early January Need to check myself on the most tender small ones to see if Veitchia joannis and Carpoxylon survived, that would be awesome if it happened!

Hey buddy! Do you have some photos of those plants if they survived? I would like to see their health status after they get those low temps for making a reference guide to see as hardy they are (and another tropical species too). I've seen archontophoenix without damages at -1°C, but that's a very great thing that they can support even more without getting damages! Edited February 4, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[Kostas]

I will check next time i am there, which may be this weekend or next month. I will also check the thermometer there as i don't know how low it got in my garden, could be lower, could be higher, forgot to ask my cousin. My Archontophoenix also escaped damage last year from -1C. As they get taller and taller, they should escape damage by being in warmer air higher up, as the freezes in Pyrgos are radiational.

Veitchia and Carpoxylon are growing under canopy, which hopefully will have helped them some, not sure if enough to survive though.

[SouthSeaNate]

Quite warm here too 18.3C today & 14.5C as an overnight low

[Kostas]

Love the avatar, would be my choice as well Howea are awesome!

[Cikas]

Temperatures in Croatia and Dubrovnik right now at 2:00 AM.

Temperature differences between the Italian and Croatian side of the Adriatic at the same latitude.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Cikas

[Cikas]

My Archontophoenix cunninghamiana now after -2°C ( 28°F ) low we had in December 30. I have 7 of them. They are planted directly from greenhouse in November, in the ground. So they are only 3 months in the ground now.

I'am very pleased with them. They have minimal damage, some of them none. Some of them even opened new leaves in January. Bigger and more established/ settled, they should be even more hardy.

Two of them without any damage

Edited February 5, 2015 by Cikas

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4,1°C registered as the lowest temperature today about 2h ago; because now the temp is 5°C and rising. The cold wave is hitting hard Spain, here all those days the minimums expected those next days will not get under 4°C, but today for example 12° maximum so it's really affecting.

Tomorrow expected 13/6 and friday 11/5. Saturday is unclear , but expected between 10-11 as high and 4-5 as low.

Edited February 5, 2015 by pRoeZa*

[Phoenikakias]

Cikas, how about a report also on your outplanted Chambeyronia plants? It is fortunate that you have had only -2 C, given the havoc occured in other places of Dalmatia (also reports of affected Phoenix reclinata). Any estimation about duration of min tmperature? What was the highest recorded during same day?

[Cikas]

Cikas, how about a report also on your outplanted Chambeyronia plants? It is fortunate that you have had only -2 C, given the havoc occured in other places of Dalmatia (also reports of affected Phoenix reclinata). Any estimation about duration of min tmperature? What was the highest recorded during same day?

Lowest temperatures in Dalmatia during that cold wave were in Split and Makarska area. Some parts got -3/4°C.

In Dubrovnik we had one night with temperatures below freezing. The lowest temperature that night was -2°C ( but that was only the lowest temperature, it did not last all the time ).

I'am very pleased with my Chambeyronia too.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Cikas