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Butyagrus eriospatha

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Raniked Apprentice

Raniked

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Here is a Butyagrus eriospatha in the ground for almost 4 years in Brittany (France)

Can you share pictures of yours?

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Raniked Apprentice

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It's a Butia eriospatha x Syagrus romanzoffiana 'santa catarina'

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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Wish I had one to upload a picture of it.

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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This is my biggest B.eriospatha X S. romanzoffiana

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

palmsrgreat Experienced

palmsrgreat

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Cool palm, where did you come across it? Or are you the creator?

Raniked Apprentice

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Thank's Alberto for this picture! I was hoping you post one.

Palmsrgreat I think it's a natural hybrid

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Cool palm, where did you come across it? Or are you the creator?

I found this one at a nursery labeled as "butia"

I have little seedlings of this hybrid and at the momment Im making this again.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

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What a great find....trunk looks thinner than most odorata mules.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Josh-O Grand Master

Josh-O

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Julien, I saw a monster mule today but failed to take a picture :( I don't have any in the ground yet. Mine are all in 15 gal & 24' boxes. If all goes well I'm going to cluster plant about 5-6 this year at my vista garden.

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Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

palmsrgreat Experienced

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Cool palm, where did you come across it? Or are you the creator?

I found this one at a nursery labeled as "butia"

I have little seedlings of this hybrid and at the momment Im making this again.

Nice find Alberto. Also good to see you continuing your hard work on these hybrids. I hope you give us PT folks a heads up if you have some for sale.

Raniked Apprentice

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What a great find....trunk looks thinner than most odorata mules.

Actually I think they have bigger trunk than regular mules.

I started this thread because of a picture I've seen on the EPS forum (European Palm society) of a Butyagrus eriospatha posted by Nigel. The one he posted is a beauty, one of the most amazing picture of a hybrid I've seen so far. I hope he can read this and share it here.

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Sometimes during travels I saw some very fantastic hansome Butyagrus (even more than the ones Nigel shew on EPS forum) Compared to this , mine is not the best looking.

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Raniked Apprentice

Raniked

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Alberto, do you have any pictures of other?

Alberto Grand Master

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I certaily have but I´ll have to dig into zillions of photos. :bummed:

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

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Would be nice to develop a mule with a thin smooth trunk

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Josh-O Grand Master

Josh-O

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that would be very cool. Sounds like a project for Alberto??

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

Josh-O Grand Master

Josh-O

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syagrus schizophylla x Buta yatay would also be cool. I'm not sure if they even exist?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Jungle Jas. Contributor

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I also would like more information on this cross as I have just bought a small one from Nigel, Hardy Palms UK. How fast is it? what sort of winter temperatures has it taken?  Thanks.

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alohas Enthusiast

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18 hours ago, Jungle Jas. said:

I also would like more information on this cross as I have just bought a small one from Nigel, Hardy Palms UK. How fast is it? what sort of winter temperatures has it taken?  Thanks.

in february 12, we had a severe cold spell in France with about a whole week with temperatures below freezing point (down to -12°C). A palm fellow here nearby Toulouse had one of these hybrids in his garden, it got defoliated but recovered quite fast (and the palm had just been planted the preceding summer.)

You can see a picture of this palm on this page http://fousdepalmiers.fr/html/forum/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1484&start=75

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Alohas, thank you for that information..:greenthumb:

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Mattpalm28 Apprentice

Mattpalm28

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@Jungle Jas. do you have any pictures of it? I have just purchased one from Nigel as well. 

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LivistonaFan Rising Star

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@Mattpalm28

Here is my Butia eriospatha x Queen (photo from October this year, planted in March).

Please excuse the weeds etc. as this planting area is still a work in progress.

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LivistonaFan Rising Star

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6 hours ago, Mattpalm28 said:

@LivistonaFan where are you located? Have you noticed much grown on yours?

Hi, this palm is on the Northern Coast of the Mediterranean in Italy, at a little less than 500 Meters elevation. My zone is roughly 9a/b even if the recent winters were mostly 10a.

I water my palms very irregularly, which puts them under stress every summer, certainly in the first few years after planting. Given this, this hybrid has done extremely well and has not lost any fronds, in fact, it has produced some new ones. Of the 30 or so different palm species I have planted over the last 5 years, only one of my Parajubaea totally var microcarpa has performed better. 

I would therefore say that this palm looks very promising and probably belongs in the category of quick-growing & resilient palms.

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Patrick Palms Experienced

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On 9/26/2016 at 2:47 PM, Jungle Jas. said:

I also would like more information on this cross as I have just bought a small one from Nigel, Hardy Palms UK. How fast is it? what sort of winter temperatures has it taken?  Thanks.

Hardy Palms advised me to use either John innes number 3.or good top soil and farm manure.. Raised bed of at least  six inches and bark mulch on top

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UK_Palms Grand Master

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I have recently acquired a Butyagrus that is made with Eriospatha x Santa Catarina ‘Mountain’ Queen. A very sought after and rare cross in cultivation, hence why I paid a kings ransom for this one.

This should be the hardiest and quickest growing variant in a cooler climate. It shouldn’t get damaged until -5C / 23F and defoliation would occur at around -8C / 17F. They are also supposedly the biggest of the Butyagrus variants in general.

I won’t plant it out until I move to the new house however on the south coast. I am still working on sourcing a Jubaea x Syagrus, which I want to plant alongside it. Sourcing Butyagrus and Jubutyagrus seeds and palms is a nightmare in the UK!

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Dry-summer Oceanic / Warm summer Med (Csb) - 9a

Average annual precipitation - 18.7 inches : Average annual sunshine hours - 1725

Ben G. Experienced

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3 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

I have recently acquired a Butyagrus that is made with Eriospatha x Santa Catarina ‘Mountain’ Queen. A very sought after and rare cross in cultivation, hence why I paid a kings ransom for this one.

This should be the hardiest and quickest growing variant in a cooler climate. It shouldn’t get damaged until -5C / 23F and defoliation would occur at around -8C / 17F. They are also supposedly the biggest of the Butyagrus variants in general.

I won’t plant it out until I move to the new house however on the south coast. I am still working on sourcing a Jubaea x Syagrus, which I want to plant alongside it. Sourcing Butyagrus and Jubutyagrus seeds and palms is a nightmare in the UK!

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It looks really nice. I don't blame you for paying the high cost.  I hope it grows well for you when you get moved into your south coast home.

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Dwarf Fan Mentor

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11 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

I have recently acquired a Butyagrus that is made with Eriospatha x Santa Catarina ‘Mountain’ Queen. A very sought after and rare cross in cultivation, hence why I paid a kings ransom for this one.

This should be the hardiest and quickest growing variant in a cooler climate. It shouldn’t get damaged until -5C / 23F and defoliation would occur at around -8C / 17F. They are also supposedly the biggest of the Butyagrus variants in general.

I won’t plant it out until I move to the new house however on the south coast. I am still working on sourcing a Jubaea x Syagrus, which I want to plant alongside it. Sourcing Butyagrus and Jubutyagrus seeds and palms is a nightmare in the UK!

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i must say that is a beautiful Palm and I love the parentage used for your Mule, it will definitely be unique and hopefully very cold hardy as well.

I am sure it was NOT cheap especially for the size and you being located in the UK, but can I ask how much you paid? If you want to keep it private feel free to send me a PM.

Congratulations and please keep us updated with new pics when your Butyagrus goes in ground at its new home.

 

UK_Palms Grand Master

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5 hours ago, Dwarf Fan said:

i must say that is a beautiful Palm and I love the parentage used for your Mule, it will definitely be unique and hopefully very cold hardy as well.

I am sure it was NOT cheap especially for the size and you being located in the UK, but can I ask how much you paid? If you want to keep it private feel free to send me a PM.

Congratulations and please keep us updated with new pics when your Butyagrus goes in ground at its new home.

 

It cost me £300 / $387 but I paid in 3 monthly instalments of £100 via PayPal (with no interest), which lessens the blow a bit. 🤣

I had been trying to get my hands on a Mule palm for a good 3-4 years. I couldn't even get hold of small ones over here. About 18 months ago I ordered seeds from Mule Palms of Mississippi, but I had none of them germinate and a lot of them just moulded.

I was hoping to get hold of a smaller seedling or young palm for say £50 or something, but there has just been nothing available. No big ones. No small ones. So when I saw a decent size specimen available on Hardy-Palms over here in the UK, I got it immediately. :greenthumb:

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Dry-summer Oceanic / Warm summer Med (Csb) - 9a

Average annual precipitation - 18.7 inches : Average annual sunshine hours - 1725

Dwarf Fan Mentor

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16 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

It cost me £300 / $387 but I paid in 3 monthly instalments of £100 via PayPal (with no interest), which lessens the blow a bit. 🤣

I had been trying to get my hands on a Mule palm for a good 3-4 years. I couldn't even get hold of small ones over here. About 18 months ago I ordered seeds from Mule Palms of Mississippi, but I had none of them germinate and a lot of them just moulded.

I was hoping to get hold of a smaller seedling or young palm for say £50 or something, but there has just been nothing available. No big ones. No small ones. So when I saw a decent size specimen available on Hardy-Palms over here in the UK, I got it immediately. :greenthumb:

Okay I thought it was gonna be a significant sum higher, honestly I would not even think twice dropping that amount considering the size and the fact it is an Erio x Syagrus ‘Santa Catarina’ that would be a “take my money” moment all day for me as well, nicely played sir!

BTW, it looks beautifully grown as well, thanks again for sharing the info and pics.

 

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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This beautifull Butiagrus paranaensis is growing at the farm in Tibagi - PR 

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Dwarf Fan Mentor

Dwarf Fan

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On 11/11/2024 at 9:10 AM, Alberto said:

This beautifull Butiagrus paranaensis is growing at the farm in Tibagi - PR 

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Alberto, thank you kindly for the beautiful pic and for the introduction to the proper name for that type of Mule. I have never heard of it before so I looked it up and found the info below:

Butyagrus paranaensis Engels, T.A.Meyer & K.Soares

First published in Hoehnea 48-e412020: 1 (2021)

This hybrid is accepted

The native range of this hybrid is Brazil (Paraná). It is a tree and grows primarily in the seasonally dry tropical biome. The hybrid formula is Butia eriospatha × Syagrus romanzoffiana.

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Alberto Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Dwarf Fan said:

Alberto, thank you kindly for the beautiful pic and for the introduction to the proper name for that type of Mule. I have never heard of it before so I looked it up and found the info below:

Butyagrus paranaensis Engels, T.A.Meyer & K.Soares

First published in Hoehnea 48-e412020: 1 (2021)

This hybrid is accepted

The native range of this hybrid is Brazil (Paraná). It is a tree and grows primarily in the seasonally dry tropical biome. The hybrid formula is Butia eriospatha × Syagrus romanzoffiana.

I cannot agree with the duacription of the climate: "The native range of this hybrid is Brazil (Paraná). It is a tree and grows primarily in the seasonally dry tropical biome"  The climate is subtropical and it rains 1600mm / year and year round. Sometimes August is a drier month.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Patrick Palms Experienced

Patrick Palms

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Placing the Butyagrus Eriospatha palm in a Raised Bed. What free draining soil you recommend?   Sand? Perlite, pumice, or top soil mixed with compost, maybe fish and bone meal? 

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Chester B Grand Master

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On 11/10/2024 at 8:36 AM, UK_Palms said:

It cost me £300 / $387

That's really not a lot for that palm, mules of that size around here easily cost that.  They have gone up a lot in recent years.

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Patrick Palms Experienced

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I will use John Innes number 3 and manure and grit and sand.. It's not just the cold to be worried about,, it's the wet soil in winter. I will use a pop up green house to cover it, when temps gets to Freezing 

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