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Clay ---->Swampy Soil in Puerto Rico

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Hi guys, I need your recommendations to choose palm trees that tolerate clay soil and when in heavily rainfall is almost swampy.

And like always, any help will be very appreciated.

Cheers.

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foxtail Mentor

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For me, Sabals, Archontophoenix, and Chambeyronia. Although, probably more towards consistently moist than swampy.

Thanks, I forgot mention Full Sun

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Angel:

You could grow a lot of interesting things we can never even think of here in California.

Including, but not limited to: Ravenea musicalis (maybe), Mauritella, and I'm sure our jungle denizens will have more suggestions.

(Maybe ask Mod to add "in Puerto Rico" to the title . . .. )

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Angel:

You could grow a lot of interesting things we can never even think of here in California.

Including, but not limited to: Ravenea musicalis (maybe), Mauritella, and I'm sure our jungle denizens will have more suggestions.

(Maybe ask Mod to add "in Puerto Rico" to the title . . .. )

Hello Dave, thanks for your suggestions and yes, can add "in Puerto Rico" to the title :greenthumb:

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Jim in Los Altos

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Shouldn't any Roystonia species work well in those conditions?

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Hi Jim, no to try and hijack the topic but how cold tolerant are Roystonias? Going to Puerto Rico on Sunday and was planning on grabing a buch of seedlings and spreading around Orlando if they can handle it. Thanks Will

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Shouldn't any Roystonia species work well in those conditions?

Hi Jim, I have one in the "swampy" area and looks yellow like bananas

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Palmdude Mentor

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Nypa Fruticans would be awesome, or do they need to be on a body of water?

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Ok maybe dig a pond for the Nypa but I like the Mauritella idea a lot too. Jeff has an awesome Specimen at his nursery that blew my mind. It's not even trunking and it's massive!

Nypa Fruticans

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_Keith Grand Master

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So, what palms are growing natively in similar conditions in PR and other nearby islands?

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OMG!

Becky look at her butt . . .

ROYSTONEA OLERACEA the (giant) "Swamp Royal." Mucho agua, si?

You don't have frost in PR, right?

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Mauritella hella good

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tropicbreeze Grand Master

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Some palms grow in areas that are swamps in the wet season but very dry during the dry season. Is your area like that, or is it permanently swampy?

Tyrone Grand Master

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Raphia Raphia Raphia.

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Metroxylon.

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Hi Jim, no to try and hijack the topic but how cold tolerant are Roystonias? Going to Puerto Rico on Sunday and was planning on grabing a buch of seedlings and spreading around Orlando if they can handle it. Thanks Will

Will, In a Mediterranean climate, a mature R. Regia is usually good to 26 or 27F and lower than that with some damage. Climates with wet cold freezes would be different and more damaging. My experience with R. borinquena is about the same. R. oleracea is more cold tender. In your climate, I'm assuming that you experience nice warmups after a freeze and palms repair quickly. Here, if there's damage to palms, they have to wait until well into spring usually before there's enough heat to get them growing new fronds.

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Hi Jim, no to try and hijack the topic but how cold tolerant are Roystonias? Going to Puerto Rico on Sunday and was planning on grabing a buch of seedlings and spreading around Orlando if they can handle it. Thanks Will

Will, In a Mediterranean climate, a mature R. Regia is usually good to 26 or 27F and lower than that with some damage. Climates with wet cold freezes would be different and more damaging. My experience with R. borinquena is about the same. R. oleracea is more cold tender. In your climate, I'm assuming that you experience nice warmups after a freeze and palms repair quickly. Here, if there's damage to palms, they have to wait until well into spring usually before there's enough heat to get them growing new fronds.

For what it's worth, my experience with R. regia mirrors Jim's. My three monsters all took a hit in 2007. Two of them got four days of 24.5 F. A lot tougher than you think, so long as it's not a yearly thing. (My palms haven't eaten anyone yet.)

Other species that are good are R. borenquenia and R. princeps. Both take a lot of cold as well.

R. oleracea and violacea, much more tender.

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Raphia Raphia Raphia.

I agree, but they need LOTS of space, and they're thorny expletives. Real nudist magnets . . . .

One of the species gets leaves that are literally 60 feet (22 M) long, or more. Thorny.

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I don't think anyone has mentioned Mauritia and Acoelorraphe yet.

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willo68 Enthusiast

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Thanks Jim and Dave for the info, this trip is kinda business but i will definitely be scouting for as many seedlings as i can find and give them a try.

foxtail Mentor

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Ok maybe dig a pond for the Nypa but I like the Mauritella idea a lot too. Jeff has an awesome Specimen at his nursery that blew my mind. It's not even trunking and it's massive!

Nypa Fruticans

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Hi PalmD, looks great. Save on my notepad, thanks.

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foxtail Mentor

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So, what palms are growing natively in similar conditions in PR and other nearby islands?

Hello Keith, natively... Some Sabal and R. Borinqueña, but I want something difference, you know.

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foxtail Mentor

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Some palms grow in areas that are swamps in the wet season but very dry during the dry season. Is your area like that, or is it permanently swampy?

Hey tBreeze, in this spot is swamp in wet season but take toooooooo long to get dry in HOT period.

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foxtail Mentor

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Thanks Jim and Dave for the info, this trip is kinda business but i will definitely be scouting for as many seedlings as i can find and give them a try.

Willo, What town you going stay?

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foxtail Mentor

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Raphia Raphia Raphia.

Hello, saw some Raphias sp. in Uncle Google, looks good!!!

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Cyrtostachys renda (lipstick palm) should do well. It loves and needs lots of water. Don't let it dry out completely during the dry season though or it will suffer or even die. This is a beautiful multiple trunk palm and needs tropical temperatures like you have in Puerto Rico.

Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

 

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  

Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  

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So, what palms are growing natively in similar conditions in PR and other nearby islands?

Hello Keith, natively... Some Sabal and R. Borinqueña, but I want something difference, you know.

I completely understand, was thinking of some of the Cuban native palms really.

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Hi Angel, going to Lares from Sunday to Wednesday, hoping to grab as many seedlings as i can from families yard. What part are you from?

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Cyrtostachys renda (lipstick palm) should do well. It loves and needs lots of water. Don't let it dry out completely during the dry season though or it will suffer or even die. This is a beautiful multiple trunk palm and needs tropical temperatures like you have in Puerto Rico.

Aloha Al, I have one Cyrtostachys renda in the less swampy area, and yes; is doing well.

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foxtail Mentor

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So, what palms are growing natively in similar conditions in PR and other nearby islands?

Hello Keith, natively... Some Sabal and R. Borinqueña, but I want something difference, you know.

I completely understand, was thinking of some of the Cuban native palms really.

I need to talk with Noel Pecunia about some Cocothrinax he have, Noel is the person who apaandssa purchased some beauties.

Here's the topic: http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/41513-palm-purchases-in-puerto-rico/?p=644786

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Hi Angel, going to Lares from Sunday to Wednesday, hoping to grab as many seedlings as i can from families yard. What part are you from?

OK, Lares is little far from my town. Lares (blue arrow), my town Rio Grande, El Yunque Rainforest City (red arrow).

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willo68 Enthusiast

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Definitely, a little out of the way. Been to Yunque quite a few times, love hiking up there, its fascinating.

_Keith Grand Master

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S minor would be an easy grow. Everglades palm would be very interesting. Assuming the water is not salty for sure, I would stick in a Royal or two. or as many as will fit.

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Some palms grow in areas that are swamps in the wet season but very dry during the dry season. Is your area like that, or is it permanently swampy?

Hey tBreeze, in this spot is swamp in wet season but take toooooooo long to get dry in HOT period.

A lot of Livistonas would thrive in that, particularly L. benthami which I think is the best looking of the taller growing ones, and also Carpentaria acuminata.

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My limited knowledge I suggest Archontophoenix all species except maxima less so, Licuala ramsayi, Livistona australis, Livistona drudei, Livistona benthamii, Livistona decora, I had a Livistona rigida which died in a swamp but it should grow all I have is clay, my Pigafettas raged in my swamp until the frost, Hydriastele costata should grow in seasonally swampy soil...

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I´d love to have a tropical climate and a swampy place to plant the iconic brazilian palm "buriti' (Mauritia fleuxuosa), and also others that grow in wet spots like the buritiranas (Mauritiella aculeata)

https://www.google.com.br/search?q=buriti&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=P3HoVPqTIa3ksATGrIDoDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

The carandá (Copernicia alba) grows in very wet and flooded places in the region of the Pantanal Matogrossense' This is another beautifull palm that will grow fine there

https://www.google.com.br/search?q=buriti&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=P3HoVPqTIa3ksATGrIDoDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=carand%C3%A1&imgdii=_&imgrc=2uxhPdsw5WqEiM%253A%3BvayvUrGQJvyEkM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcaiman.com.br%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2010%252F07%252FCaranda.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcaiman.com.br%252Fflora%252F%3B1024%3B768

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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the "bacuri" Attalea phalerata also like it wet.

http://www.spagnollo.arq.br/fotos/v/Natureza/pocone/DSC03179.jpg.html

I have both ,bacuri and carandás growing in wet soil at the side of a pond.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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