Coconut in New Smyrna Beach Fla w/fruits

[Bill H2DB]

Here are fresh pics of the palm on the north NSB beachside , on Flagler Ave.

It is in front of The Beacon restaurant .  The inter-freeze time we're having now has a number of

tropicals reaching some decent size. There's another fair sized Cocos not too far from this one , on

an Island in the river , which is itself a replacement for previous sacrifices to the Cold Demon .

 

NSB Coco 1 by Bill H, on Flickr

 

NSB Coco 3 by Bill H, on Flickr

 

NSB Coco 4 by Bill H, on Flickr

[Zeeth]

Neat!

[palmsOrl]

Stunning.  I'll bet it will easily survive the average winter there with little damage where it is situated.  Here's hoping it lasts 5-10 more years.

[Danilopez89]

Looks like a winner! 

[Moose]

 

Those drupes will be ready in a year if a mild winter allows them to mature.

[Yunder Wækraus]

Nice!

[Eric in Orlando]

Good to see coconuts creeping back into southern Volusia again! 

Prior to the 2009-10 winter I saw quite a few beachside at Port Orange and Ponce Inlet, some even were bearing coconuts. I imagine they all perished.

[Ricigliano]

My Tree farm partner Dave Hall planted this tree in 2008 from a 3 gallon. It is 1 of 2 surviving coconuts that made it through 2009 and 2010 winters. We have plans to do some more landscape work there, after the remodel is complete. We will be using some more unusal palms for here.

[Zeeth]

5 hours ago, Ricigliano said:

My Tree farm partner Dave Hall planted this tree in 2008 from a 3 gallon. It is 1 of 2 surviving coconuts that made it through 2009 and 2010 winters. We have plans to do some more landscape work there, after the remodel is complete. We will be using some more unusal palms for here.

That's surprising to hear that it survived 2010! 

[Josh-O]

nice!!!

[ck_in_fla]

On November 11, 2015 at 8:12:52 PM, Bill H2DB said:

Here are fresh pics of the palm on the north NSB beachside , on Flagler Ave.

It is in front of The Beacon restaurant .  The inter-freeze time we're having now has a number of

tropicals reaching some decent size. There's another fair sized Cocos not too far from this one , on

an Island in the river , which is itself a replacement for previous sacrifices to the Cold Demon .

 

NSB Coco 1 by Bill H, on Flickr

 

NSB Coco 3 by Bill H, on Flickr

 

NSB Coco 4 by Bill H, on Flickr

I have spent lots of time over in New Smyrna Beach.  Most years, the winters are very mild.  I'm surprised that there aren't more Coconut palms planted out over there.  Especially beachside.  Another area that might be favorable are the areas alongside the causeways right on the water.  There would seem to be many excellent micro-climates over there

If you get off the beaten path, there are lots of very tropical things planted out over there.  Heading south towards JB's Fishcamp (an excellent place to get fresh seafood), there are many zone 10 palms planted out.

[Ricigliano]

2009 / 2010 wiped a lot of tropicals here. Mostly due to bud rot. There was a lot of coconuts planted around and some rarer palms too. Some planted in the early 90's. Most Palms you see around New Smyrna, beachside and the mainland have been planted by myself or 2 other good friends of mine. I have a pretty good Idea now of what I would call long term plants  for here that I tend to turn my clients on to. Doesn't mean that I don't plant thing I know that are living on borrowed time. But anyone in this proffession knows you have to do what you have to, to make your clients happy while earning your bread money too.  

[ck_in_fla]

On November 15, 2015 at 8:02:32 PM, Ricigliano said:

2009 / 2010 wiped a lot of tropicals here. Mostly due to bud rot. There was a lot of coconuts planted around and some rarer palms too. Some planted in the early 90's. Most Palms you see around New Smyrna, beachside and the mainland have been planted by myself or 2 other good friends of mine. I have a pretty good Idea now of what I would call long term plants  for here that I tend to turn my clients on to. Doesn't mean that I don't plant thing I know that are living on borrowed time. But anyone in this proffession knows you have to do what you have to, to make your clients happy while earning your bread money too.  

Curious, why no Roystonea anywhere in the New Smyrna Beach area?  The only place over there where I know there are a few is at a car dealership on US 1 north of NSB.  They are on the left (West) side of US 1 heading North.  As I recall, those were pretty tall the last time I saw them and they have been there for a number of years.

Beachside, as long as they aren't in the direct area where the salt spray is evident, they should do very well.  Still not sure why they aren't used more over there.

[Bill H2DB]

There are number of Royals in the area , and quite a number currently in the area to the North of the Inlet in 

The Town of Ponce Inlet . Some are a result of Condo development landscaping , and some are due to the Home Depot

availability.  A few of these Royals are fairly long term survivors , but most are relatively recent . I think that some have been

brought in at a goodly size from further south .

There are some in Daytona Beach , and a few in Ormond Beach as well. Most are on the beachside ( barrier island) , but

not all .  One really large long termer can be seen on the mainland side of the Main Street bridge in Daytona .

   There's quite a lot of tropical stuff here now , that never could survive in older days.  Time will tell............

Here is my Royal , in Holly Hill  on the mainland , just west of the  ICW  ( aka Halifax River )

And here are a couple more in the areaRoyal - Ormond Beach 2014 – Version 2 by Bill H, on Flickryal Palm in Holly Hill  1 by Bill H, on Flickr

Royal Palm  Flagstone & Waverly  DB Fla by Bill H, on Flickr

[ck_in_fla]

I am going to be in Ormond Beach in a few weeks.  Looks like I will need to do some "exploring".

Thanks for posting the pictures.

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

Ricigliano,

If that coconut palm ever produces some viable nuts, I would like a few to grow over here in South Texas.  That is the first time I ever recall seeing a coconut palm starting to fruit before it even has any woody trunk emerging.  Do you know what variety it is?  It must be a Green Malayan to be producing coconuts at such a young age, but the robust leaves make it look like a Jamaican Tall.  Maybe it is a Mayjam hybrid cross between a Green Malayan and a Jamaican Tall.

[Jimbean]

now that's cool.  I would like to see how all of that fares into the future.

[RedRabbit]

On 11/20/2015, 6:11:14, ck_in_fla said:

Curious, why no Roystonea anywhere in the New Smyrna Beach area?  The only place over there where I know there are a few is at a car dealership on US 1 north of NSB.  They are on the left (West) side of US 1 heading North.  As I recall, those were pretty tall the last time I saw them and they have been there for a number of years.

Beachside, as long as they aren't in the direct area where the salt spray is evident, they should do very well.  Still not sure why they aren't used more over there.

I know of a few in mainland Port Orange that survived 2010, Royals are fairly hardy in my experience... I don't think coconuts will survive more than a decade in Volusia County, but I hope that one in NSB makes it. 

[WonderKeeper]

Lovely coconut palm in a cold place. Thanks for posting it. 

[RedRabbit]

On 11/20/2015, 7:45:50, Bill H2DB said:

There are number of Royals in the area , and quite a number currently in the area to the North of the Inlet in 

The Town of Ponce Inlet . Some are a result of Condo development landscaping , and some are due to the Home Depot

availability.  A few of these Royals are fairly long term survivors , but most are relatively recent . I think that some have been

brought in at a goodly size from further south .

There are some in Daytona Beach , and a few in Ormond Beach as well. Most are on the beachside ( barrier island) , but

not all .  One really large long termer can be seen on the mainland side of the Main Street bridge in Daytona .

   There's quite a lot of tropical stuff here now , that never could survive in older days.  Time will tell............

Here is my Royal , in Holly Hill  on the mainland , just west of the  ICW  ( aka Halifax River )

And here are a couple more in the areaRoyal - Ormond Beach 2014 – Version 2 by Bill H, on Flickryal Palm in Holly Hill  1 by Bill H, on Flickr

Royal Palm  Flagstone & Waverly  DB Fla by Bill H, on Flickr

I was wondering, are there any pre-2010 foxtails or archontophoenix up there?

[Dave-Vero]

The 1980s freezes slaughtered royals in Vero Beach, though two visible from my house survived (one perished well after 2000).  There was major replanting in public areas after 2000.  

The 2010-2011 winters killed lots of coconut palms and a few others (I lost a young Ptychosperma).  Now, surviving coconuts and new ones are fat and happy, often laden with nuts.  The insanely warm fall of 2015 gave us summer-type weather, complete with rain, up to Christmas.  

 

[Bill H2DB]

11 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

I was wondering, are there any pre-2010 foxtails or archontophoenix up there?

    There were a few Foxtails that survived if they were in a very lucky spot, but most died then . Because of the Big Box stores etc , though , there

are some around now anyway .

    There never had been many Archo's around here , but 2 of mine survived , and I've seen 2-3 more , here and there . 

[RedRabbit]

1 hour ago, Bill H2DB said:

    There were a few Foxtails that survived if they were in a very lucky spot, but most died then . Because of the Big Box stores etc , though , there

are some around now anyway .

    There never had been many Archo's around here , but 2 of mine survived , and I've seen 2-3 more , here and there . 

Thanks Bill! I was trying to get a sense of how our climates compared. All the coconuts died here and there and to the best of my knowledge all the royals in both locals survived so it is hard to judge on that basis. I think roughly 50% of Foxtails made it here so it sounds like we might have gotten it a little less bad.

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

I saw some nice pseudophoenix up there a few months back. 

[Eric in Orlando]

I saw this coconut palm last Sunday, it looks great and is flowering.

[Eric in Orlando]

Interestingly, I found some mature coconut palms in NSB that must have been killed in the 2009-10 winter or the 2010-11. They were growing on the beachside island on the east side of the Indian River (west side of the barrier island) between the north and south causeways, along South Indian River Dr. This is just a few blocks south of Flagler Ave. I was searching on Google maps streetview for evidence of an old Indian mound. The 2007 view of streetview had these coconut palms but the current doesnt. On Bing maps, the Birdseye view has the coconuts still there but mostly brown, that version doesn't have a date. There were 8 mature palms in the planting, one of them was very robust with a nice lean.

[Eric in Orlando]

[Eric in Orlando]

[Eric in Orlando]

[Eric in Orlando]

[RedRabbit]

Nice find Eric, thanks for sharing! If mature coconuts like that couldn't make it right on the water it is hard to see how they could make it anywhere. It is kind of good to know that in a way since it is at least a decisive answer about their viability there rather than something marginal... That one on the beach really lucked out!

[Eric in Orlando]

I wonder when they were planted. In 2007 they looked healthy and even had a full crown of fronds. It was the constant cool that did them in, not absolute lows. The river and lagoon and ocean lost their heat in that winter and weren't able to provide much protection. Its that once every 10-20 years winter that will get them, just like in Orlando.

The freezes of the 1980s (83,85,89) are still the worst winters in absolute lows since I have lived in Florida (1979) but the winter of 2009-10 was the longest cool/cold periods. 2010-11 was not as bad but was lots of cool/cold too.

 

 

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎56‎:‎31‎, Eric in Orlando said:

I saw this coconut palm last Sunday, it looks great and is flowering.

Hey Eric, post a photo or two of it please.  I am sure we would all like to see an updated photo of it.

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎8‎:‎08‎:‎52‎, Eric in Orlando said:

Look closely.  It looks like there is some green in the center of the crowns, especially of the two tallest ones, which means they survived the previous winter, though very cold injured.

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎8‎:‎05‎:‎13‎, Eric in Orlando said:

Look at all the nuts on the tallest one!  I would love to have some viable nuts off of that palm, since the offspring should have a fairly good degree of cold hardiness.

[Dave-Vero]

Top image is from Bing Maps, looking southward.  Note the big sewer pipes where the road turns inland.  

 

This is a much-cropped view from the north causeway bridge (the draw span was up) on March 21, 2015.  There's pipes.  No coconuts.  

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[Ricigliano]

I know the owner of that property. He is a local nursery owner growing native grasses. He shipped those coconuts in about the size you see in the photos. They were probably there for about 5 years before 2009 and 2010 cold snap did them in.

[Ricigliano]

Also, I don't think they killed by extremely cold temps. Rather by but rot from the prolonged cold. I think in 2010 we had like 30 days of subfreezing temps accompanied by sleet one morning. The palms were just regular green malayan coconuts. I think is funny to hear over and over again people hoping to find a unicorn cold hard coconut. lol

[Dave-Vero]

It was about the same in Vero Beach, except a lot of coconuts survived, and as mentioned above, they're fruiting like crazy right now.  Even more so in Fort Pierce.  

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

20 hours ago, Dave-Vero said:

Top image is from Bing Maps, looking southward.  Note the big sewer pipes where the road turns inland.  

 

This is a much-cropped view from the north causeway bridge (the draw span was up) on March 21, 2015.  There's pipes.  No coconuts.  

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The coconut palms that were lost there in New Smyrna Beach should be replaced with pure Jamaican Talls, Mayjam hybrids and Maypans, all of which are somewhat more cold hardy than Malayan Dwarfs, especially from sources in Central or South Central Florida.