Sabal Riverside and Jubutyagrus

[Alberto]

I have 3 year old plants of Jubutyagrus and S.Riverside that i was planning to plant near a pond.

The water table will be high (+- 1.5 m - 2m) but the soil is well draining.

 What do you think? Is it a spot for the sabal? Will the Jubaea genes make this spot apropriate for the hybrid or will the queen genes make that it will thrive hear?

 BTW Livistona decora are growing very fast at the same spot!

  Thanks!

[STEVE IN SO CAL]

Alberto...bring in some dirt to create a mound..that should be safe.

[NCpalmqueen]

How much cold can a Jubutyagrus take?

[Kris]

Dear folks  

any stills of sabal riverside_Please !

since iam growing few from seeds here.and they love our

climate,germination for 10 seeds is around 8 seeds.

and the sprouting spears are indeed very big for a fan

palm.and its just 2 months old.taking full sunlight.without

a hitch.they are now in one liter mineral water bottles.

thought i have seen stills of this lovely palm in seeds trading

sites.but have not see them in members gardens..

Thanks & Love,

Kris  

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Alberto,

Your lucky to have a Jubaeagrus. I don't think I have ever seen one, but maybe that's because they are so new to culture.  Does anyone have one that is more than a strap leaf one?  I'd love to see a picture of one. As to how cold hardy they are....I would imagine very hardy, but that is yet to be proven.

Alberto, it's odd that you mention Sabal Riverside and your hybrid, since my Sabal Riverside is planted along side with my Jubaea X Butia. They are planted 20 feet apart and the fonds are brushing each other, so be sure you give yours plenty of room. Mine are growing in a lawn area and they get plenty of water and fertilizer and they are not particularly well drained. I would think the Sabal will take a high water table, but not sure about the hybrid.  I think, as Steve suggests, the hybrid should be planted on a mound, a LARGE mound.

Kris, the next time the master photographer, Robert, comes over for a visit, I'll have him post a picture of my S. Riverside. Of all the Sabals I grow, S. Riverside has been the fastest growing and the most robust, and it's tough to the elements.  It's quite spectacular in flower and its sweet sent can be detected from some distance. The flowers are covered with honey bees.

I would think S. Riverside would be the best choice for Europe, as it seems to grow in cooler conditions than the others.  Most Sabals require summer

heat to grow.

Dick

[STEVE IN SO CAL]

Alberto...is it a JubXButia X Syagrus, or a JUb X Syagrus ?

[Kris]

Dear Dick  

thanks for the reply ! and iam very eager for those still...

Love,

Kris.

[Brad-Tampa]

Kris, I think remember dad calling this Sabal "riverside" but I haven't confirmed it. Does anyone agree? Brad Young

[merrill]

Hi, Alberto:

Jubaea hybrids have not flourished, have even died in one case, where there was a shallow water table here in Florida.  I wouldn't gamble this rare palm in a shallow water table.  My Best Wishes, merrill

[Kris]

Dear Brad  

thanks man ! and i think our mumbers will soon identify this

palm.i too hope its a S.Riverside.since its trunk do looks

massive for a normal sabal Sp.

Thanks & Lovve,

Kris(India)  

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Brad,

It's always hard to identify a Sabal in a photograph, but the one in the photo could very well be S. Riverside. The one I have has very long inflorescences that hang down about 5 feet and the fruit is rather large for a Sabal.

Mine very rarely produces viable seeds, as the fruit is somwhat sensitive to cold temps., however the tree will take it down into the teens without damage.

S. Riverside is still somewhat of a mystery palm, as I don't think it has ever been properly identified. Some have speculated that it's a hybrid, however the seeds come true as the parent. Mine came from a 2nd generation tree that belonged to the late Jim Specht in San Diego. I understand the original tree that grew in Riverside was removed to make way for a freeway.

Dick

[Brad-Tampa]

Hi Dick,

This specimen is a very prolific seed producer. The seeds are significantly larger than S. palmetto and the fruits have a blue tint when ripe. I'm going by the garden today for a workday and will try to get some close ups of the inflorescence. I wish I had taken some notes and had a better listing of what has survived in the garden over the years. Maybe it's time to have a garden photo tour combined with a palmtalk ID quiz, I just would neccessarily know the answers!

Brad

[merrill]

QUOTING:

NCpalmqueen

 Posted on: Apr. 06 2007,21:29        

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How much cold can a Jubutyagrus take?

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Cindy

HI, CINDY:

My Juvbutyagrus has survived 10F, which rather surprised me.  OTOH, Butyagrus required bud surgery to give about 90% recovery from the same 10F freeze.  Best Wishes, merrill

[NCpalmqueen]

Merrill

I received your generous package today.  THANK YOU!!!  I will put them in a community pot tomorrow in my greenhouse.

And, thank you for responding to my question here, better late than never!   How large was your jubutiagrus when it experienced 10F?  I would imagine a small plant like mine needs some trunk before planting out here.  Ten degrees is quite a test!  It hasn't gotten that low here since I've been growing palms.  Praying that it doesn't go there in the foreseeable future either!!   Any photos of your tough palm?

Thanks, again.

[merrill]

Hi Cindy,

I don't remember the size of the Jubutyagrus at 10F. I'll check with my son whose memory is better than mine. See post numbers 31 & 35 for a recent photo of the Jubutyagrus courtesy of Richard Travis (URL below).

http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboar...t=ST;f=1;t=4789

[merrill]

Hi, Cindy:

My son tells me that the XJubutyagrus had Ca. 3 feet of clear trunk when that 10F freeze came.  An important factor here is that our Florida freezes normally have an unusually brief duration.  This XJubutyagrus has grown considerably faster than XButyagrus

Best Wishes

[Alicehunter2000]

Probably just a normal Sabal palmetto.........but the burliest one that I've seen around here.

The flip-flop is a size 14......no jokes please  :laugh:

This thing (with the boots on is 3 ft. across)

I got seeds........if anyone wants a few... P.M. me

David

Supersabal1

[Alicehunter2000]

Another pic......sorry about the poor quality cell phone pic.

Supersabal2

[palmsrgreat]

(merrill @ Nov. 09 2007,15:10)

QUOTE

 This XJubutyagrus has grown considerably faster than XButyagrus

Very interesting to hear this. I've been collecting many Butyagrus and enjoy their speed compared to how beautiful they become.

However, as I saw your pictures, the XJubutyagrus is even greater in look than the mule and grows even faster!? Can't wait to get my hands on some of these.

On the otherhand, my J x B are growing very slow....

[merrill]

Hi, Michael:

JXB grows fairly rapidly for me.  Is it possible that you have one of those stiff clays or black gumbo I hear about in Houston?  Good Drainage is essential for JXB.  Some have been lost or badly stunted in poorly drained soils in Florida.

Best Wishes, merrill

[merrill]

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[palmsrgreat]

Well Merrill, they are both still in 1 gal pots, moved up from seedlings this past Feb. I'm going to try and get one in the ground in a few months.

But to answer your question, the soil here is very much clay. I have about 12" of composted soil then it becomes hard packed clay. I've been using gypsum 2-3x a year in hopes the soil will get better over the next many yrs. As for drainage, I installed french drains this past spring, one of the main reasons I kept dry over this extremely rainy year in TX.

[Tomsky]

Kris, I think remember dad calling this Sabal "riverside" but I haven't confirmed it. Does anyone agree? Brad Young

This isn't a very good picture of mine, but my leaves have a bluish tint.

Jack

[_Keith]

Well Tom, whatever it is, it is a good looking palms. What would you estimated its age to be?

Keith

[iamjv]

I bought a riverside seedling about 10 yrs ago and its been a super fast grower (for a sabal). Yet I continually have a yellowing of the lower fronds/petioles, even before they are parallel to the ground. Nothing I've tried (iron, palm food, ip-salt, micro nutrients etc.) has altered this characteristic of this palm... has anyone else had a similar experience??? Seems as though Jack's riverside also has some of this going on.... I'll check for a decent pic that shows this affect. Have thought about renaming it sabal 'goldenensis'... Jv

[iamjv]

Here is a shot of my S. Riverside with it's yellowing effect....

Jv

[Kris]

Dear Jack & Dear Jv

lovely stills of those beauties...here are my stills of a SRS growing here in south india,its around 2 years old.and still in big industrial barrels !

Love,

Kris

[iamjv]

Nice looking palms Kris.... they seem to have a blue tint to them. Jv

[Kris]

Dear JV

thanks,i have noticed all the imported varities of palms seem to be very highly photosensitive...i can see that in our brehas's,bismarkia's,sabal,Med fan ver.cerifera,talipots too..since they turn green in winter(rainy season) and become white or blueish in our hot summers.very nice to see this colour change in each of these palms...

lots of love to u,

Kris