Lytocaryum weddellianum (Syagrus weddelliana) grown up

[Kai]

3 minutes ago, Palmensammler said:

Hello Kai,

if you pollinate with same species and have some seeds left I would be lucky to grow one or two of them. Maybe the pollen from Butia and Sygrus is not really compatible?

Have you ever heard about these crosses?

Eckhard

 

Yes Lytocaryum wedd x Syagrus romanzoffiana has been done before. Butia x Lytocaryum hoehnei has been done as well but I haven't heard of L x B before.

[Kai]

2 aborted inflo's due to failed hybridizing attempts haven't made me love my Lyto any less.

[Sanips]

Don't give up on hybridizing! I would have been a totally feat to archive it on your first trials but it's a difficult process. It would be awesome know how many attempts were used to get the first batch of seeds of Lyto X Syagrus (I bet many).

[Kai]

6 minutes ago, Sanips said:

Don't give up on hybridizing! I would have been a totally feat to archive it on your first trials but it's a difficult process. It would be awesome know how many attempts were used to get the first batch of seeds of Lyto X Syagrus (I bet many).

I agree! I will pollinate the next inflo (#6) with regular Lyto pollen just because I want to see those amazing seeds grow again.

Inflo #7 is also in the making and for that one I will defrost the remaining Queen pollen and have another go.

[Kai]

Inflo #6. Second try on the queen pollen!

Wish me luck!

[Kenarr09]

10 hours ago, Kai said:

Inflo #6. Second try on the queen pollen!

Wish me luck!

Good luck! Kaì 

[Palmensammler]

Good luck Kai 

Eckhard

[Sanips]

Good luck!

[Kai]

2 weeks after pollination and the L x Q "seeds" are still on. Of course we know by now that it's around 3 to 4 weeks that the seeds start dropping if they are unsuccesfull.

Keep you guys posted!

[Kai]

So far all hybridizing attempts on my Lyto have failed. Not one seed has taken the Butia or Queen pollen. I have decided to return to pollinating with same species Lyto pollen again just to keep the palm fruiting in all its glory. Maybe somewhere in the future I will give it another shot, but getting your hands on fresh pollen isn't easy.

[Reynevan]

16 minutes ago, Kai said:

So far all hybridizing attempts on my Lyto have failed. Not one seed has taken the Butia or Queen pollen. I have decided to return to pollinating with same species Lyto pollen again just to keep the palm fruiting in all its glory. Maybe somewhere in the future I will give it another shot, but getting your hands on fresh pollen isn't easy.

Thanks for an update I was just about  to ask for photos, It's been 2 months since last post. Shame that hybridizing didn't end with success   But then, is there something more adorable than pure L. Weddellianum? 

[Sanips]

47 minutes ago, Kai said:

So far all hybridizing attempts on my Lyto have failed. Not one seed has taken the Butia or Queen pollen. I have decided to return to pollinating with same species Lyto pollen again just to keep the palm fruiting in all its glory. Maybe somewhere in the future I will give it another shot, but getting your hands on fresh pollen isn't easy.

Thank you to keep us informed. What a bummer! Maybe Lytos aren't good mummies with foreign pollen despite its closeness to Syagrus genus. Well, let's see if new hybridization techniques appear (I'm very intrigued about that guy we saw on fb succeeding on Elaeis x cocos).  

[Kai]

6 minutes ago, Sanips said:

Thank you to keep us informed. What a bummer! Maybe Lytos aren't good mummies with foreign pollen despite its closeness to Syagrus genus. Well, let's see if new hybridization techniques appear (I'm very intrigued about that guy we saw on fb succeeding on Elaeis x cocos).  

Maybe bad mummies, but I suspect it might have something to do with my palm being a potted indoor specimen as well. Allthough it's possible to get some fruits to fully form into viable seeds, it is probably kind of a struggle to fullfill it's energy (light) and recource (soil stuff) needs as it doesn't fully mimics its natural circumstances. Maybe the flowers are sooner to reject foreign species pollen than an individual which has everything around its roots and leaves for wich it evolved.

[Kai]

Recently I pollinated another inflorescense with the palms' own pollen. I hope some seeds will grow again in 2018. It's just magical to witness a palm fruiting from my own couch.

Meanwhile the little ones are doing fine...

[Kai]

It appears that pollination of inflo #7 with regular LW pollen has been succesfull again.

Inflo #8 Has just opened and am collecting pollen again.

[Kai]

If I counted correctly, 17 seeds are swelling up. Me happy!

 

[Jamesasb]

i have just caught up with this thread and im gutted the hybrid attempts didnt work. I cant imagine what a lytoxjubaea would look like though haha

dont give up, try pollen from different butias because i know some butias are picky too when hybridising so maybe your lyto is just needing a different specimens pollen...

the fact that it looks healthy and sets seeds normally makes me think its just not liking that particular pollen....

In summer i will send you some catarinensis pollen if you are willing to try again

[Kai]

2 hours ago, Jamesasb said:

i have just caught up with this thread and im gutted the hybrid attempts didnt work. I cant imagine what a lytoxjubaea would look like though haha

dont give up, try pollen from different butias because i know some butias are picky too when hybridising so maybe your lyto is just needing a different specimens pollen...

the fact that it looks healthy and sets seeds normally makes me think its just not liking that particular pollen....

In summer i will send you some catarinensis pollen if you are willing to try again

Thanks James, the fact that the Butia and Queen pollen didn't produce any seeds was a real bummer. Just when I thought the pollination might have been succesfull I had to witness all the little seeds falling one by one.

With your kind offer of fresh pollen I can't resist on giving hybridizing another try upcoming summer. By then the two latest inflo's will have produced some regular seeds and I expect more new flower spikes to have emerged. Let's keep in touch!

[Jamesasb]

yes definatly, i also have some other dwarf butias that reallyshould start flowering soon, they are in big pots but im sure i could get them inside and put them in a grow tent. . if they do flower maybe we could do a pollen trade.....infact im thinking of digging up my caterinensis  to squeeze some more inflorescences out of it. its still a very small palm

Edited January 20, 2018 by Jamesasb

[Jamesasb]

im thinking a catarinensis x lyto cross would be a very small elegant cold hardy palm actually

 

[Kai]

On 20-1-2018 23:54:54, Jamesasb said:

yes definatly, i also have some other dwarf butias that reallyshould start flowering soon, they are in big pots but im sure i could get them inside and put them in a grow tent. . if they do flower maybe we could do a pollen trade.....infact im thinking of digging up my caterinensis  to squeeze some more inflorescences out of it. its still a very small palm

I sent you a pm James

[Jamesasb]

ok, i have a plan, im going to replant most of my dwarf butias in my large polytunnel that way we should be able to get them to set seed. I  have a couple with spathas now, the lowest they have had is -3C this winter, i wonder if they will survive or if we need to wait for fresh ones in spring...

 

[Jamesasb]

i have ordered a butia x lytocaryum from patric  so it seems its possible with butia as the mother at least.

[Kai]

1 minute ago, Jamesasb said:

i have ordered a butia x lytocaryum from patric  so it seems its possible with butia as the mother at least.

Yes, in theory it's possible. At least with Lytocaryum hoehnei as I believe this cross of Patrick was made with hoehnei. Nice score!

[Ben in Norcal]

I have the Butia x Lyto and the Syagrus x Lyto. The former is much more vigorous, but a bit of a disgusting pig. We’ll see how it develops but it is not the most attractive palm in my yard at this stage. 

[Kai]

2 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

I have the Butia x Lyto and the Syagrus x Lyto. The former is much more vigorous, but a bit of a disgusting pig. We’ll see how it develops but it is not the most attractive palm in my yard at this stage. 

Hi Ben,

Any pictures of your hybrids? Thnx!

[Palmensammler]

Yes Ben,

please show pictures. I'd like to see the "pig" 

Eckhard

[Jamesasb]

yea please  post pictures...

[Ben in Norcal]

[Ben in Norcal]

[Ben in Norcal]

First one is the Butia cross, second the Syagrus/Queen.  I guess the former isn't too bad?  I haven't been in this part of the garden in like a year.  They are both well over head height now which surprised me!

[Kai]

7 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

First one is the Butia cross, second the Syagrus/Queen.  I guess the former isn't too bad?  I haven't been in this part of the garden in like a year.  They are both well over head height now which surprised me!

I guess they don't get their size from the Lyto parent. Thanks for posting Ben!

[Ben in Norcal]

7 hours ago, Kai said:

I guess they don't get their size from the Lyto parent. Thanks for posting Ben!

Yeah, they are going up - but definitely thinner caliper in terms of trunk.  I am surprised that the Butia cross is faster than the Queen.

[Palmensammler]

Ben,

these are two beauties. Will be interesting to see them growing. Did you grow them from seed? Do you know a source?

Eckhard

[Xhoniwaters1]

Those should turn out dainty especially if the trunk forms to be thin.

[Ben in Norcal]

3 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

Ben,

these are two beauties. Will be interesting to see them growing. Did you grow them from seed? Do you know a source?

Eckhard

These both came from Patric Schafer in a tree pot size, as I recall, 2 or 3 years ago.  You might check in with him.

[Palmensammler]

Hi Ben,

the problem is our customs service. Any plant without certificates will be destroyed. I will never try again as I already had to pay for. Therefore my only opportunity is growing them from seeds or pay a lot of money and risk to receive a dead plant.

You're lucky. Keep us updated.

Eckhard

[Kai]

Still 17 on and getting fatter pretty fast!

[Palmensammler]

Good job Kai,

in the near future I will try to germinate seeds of this palm as well. Actually I try to get as much different Chamaedoreas as possible.

Also the cocoid hybrids are my favourites. Maybe next time your trials to cross your plant with a butia or syagrus will be successful.

Eckhard

 

 

[Sanips]

That's promising! good work Kai.