Jubutyagrus

[merrill]

Hi, Ricky:

It was much, much, more difficult to pollinate Syagrus w/ Butia than the usual reverse. I only succeeded once, and the seedling expired in short order. OTOH, I think it is well worth the try; I would encourage any younger fellows interested to try it

Best Wishes,

merrill

[merrill]

Gentlemen:

My attempt to edit my prior posting failed. Here is my second attempt. - merrill

Hi, Ricky:

It was much, much, more difficult to effectively pollinate Syagrus w/ Butia than the usual reverse. I only succeeded once, and the seedling expired in short order. OTOH, I think it is well worth the try; I would encourage any younger fellows interested to try it.

Dick, my wild guess is that these reverse XButyagrus are slightly LESS coldhardy than normal XButyagrus. In some ways they are more attractive. I'd be willing to pay a good price for one!

Best Wishes,

merrill

[merrill]

Gentlemen:

My attempt to edit my prior posting failed. Here is my second attempt. - merrill

Hi, Ricky:

It was much, much, more difficult to effectively pollinate Syagrus w/ Butia than the usual reverse. I only succeeded once, and the seedling expired in short order. OTOH, I think it is well worth the try; I would encourage any younger fellows interested to try it.

Dick, my wild guess is that these reverse XButyagrus are slightly LESS coldhardy than normal XButyagrus. In some ways they are more attractive. I'd be willing to pay a good price for one! And also for [bXS]XS!

Best Wishes,

merrill

[ricky]

thanks for the info Merrill and Dick

regards Ricky

[TimHopper]

I have six large queens on my property and a long extension ladder. I am hoping to pollenate one of them with fresh (Jubaea x Butia) pollen if I can get the timing right. The queen efflorescence is so enormous, that I usually reduce them immediately after opening by cutting them back to about one-fourth the size. Although you end up with a lot fewer seeds, it is much easier to work with and easier to cover to prevent stray pollen contamination. Also easier to remove all of the pollen flowers. Merrill, The QxB does have a distinct look now that you have pointed out the characteristics. I'll bet the photos are not as good as seeing them in person. Tim

[PalmGuyWC]

Today, June 1st, 2010, my Jubaea X Syagrus was planted. It will have nice company as it's planted 15 feet from my giant Jubaea in the front and 10 feet from the Butia X Parajubaea. Planted a little to close for comfort for me, but it's about the last sunny spot in my garden. I'm hoping it will remain staggered in heigth with the two larger palms. It will be very visible from my driveway.

Dick

[Kailua_Krish]

Today, June 1st, 2010, my Jubaea X Syagrus was planted. It will have nice company as it's planted 15 feet from my giant Jubaea in the front and 10 feet from the Butia X Parajubaea. Planted a little to close for comfort for me, but it's about the last sunny spot in my garden. I'm hoping it will remain staggered in heigth with the two larger palms. It will be very visible from my driveway.

Dick

Cool! I planted my JxS, BxP, and BxJ yesterday! All in full view of the street in full sun!

-Krishna

[ricky]

i hope it grows well for you Dick i imagine your hybrid will grow into a monster palm i really need to get my collection re-potted

regards ricky

[iwan]

It may be to early to ask this question, but spring is right around the corner. Did any of you guys in Texas or back east, that have had a horrible winter, suffer any damage or lose any of the Shaffer hybrids? I had two nights in early Dec. of hard freezes, (24 or 25 F) but the rest of the winter has been fairly mild in N. Calif. The only 2 smallish hybrids I have in the ground are Syagrus X Bujubaea and Bujubaea X Syagrus and neither of them were touched by the cold. They are both growing in the open with no protection.

The only damage I can detect was to my Parajubaea TVT which had about 10% foliage damage to the horizontal fronds.

Dick

(Jubaea chilensis x Butia capitata) x S. romanzoffiana (unprotected). Spear pulled, but recovering. Planted 3/09 from 2G tree pot. More background at:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21243&view=findpost&p=395488

[iamjv]

Dick we need a photo of that trio of yours.... sounds like a nice grouping! Jv

[PalmGuyWC]

JV,

The planting area is not finished yet. Today we planted a Syagrus X Para TVT in the same area. I'm a little reluctant to have it in such a prominent area of my garden, since it has not been cold tested yet, although it did take 25F this winter under lathe. I like to plant the Iffy palms in the back of my garden so I won't have to see them if they get damaged. Both of the hybrids just planted had nice roots, and I expect they will take off once in the ground.

Now that the area is cleared out, amended, and rototilled around the palms, I'll plant some kind of low growing flowering plants to give the area some color.

Dick

[Alberto]

Update of my oldest (BxJ) x Syagrus romanzoffiana

[ricky]

great looking palm alberto (bxj)x syagrus is one of my best growing hybrids just out of interest your palm seems to have damage to the older leafs was this caused buy cold damage also do you have the other cross syagrusx(bxj) and it looks like this cross as kept a lot of the syagrus features and i believe it will end up being plumos to some degree is any one else seeing this in this cross

regards ricky

[iamjv]

Great looking palm Alberto! Jv

[PalmGuyWC]

Update of my oldest (BxJ) x Syagrus romanzoffiana

Alberto,

I'm so envious. Yours is twice as big as mine.

Dick

[TimHopper]

Update of my oldest (BxJ) x Syagrus romanzoffiana

Alberto,

I'm so envious. Yours is twice as big as mine.

Dick

Yes, But it looks like she's been drinking.

[PalmTom]

Dick,

How can I contact patrick? I've got to get my hands on some of his hybrids! I tried emailing him only to have my email sent back to me by Yahoo's mailer daemon (whatever that is). I live in Pensacola, Florida and I think that his palms would do great here. If you could let me know how to get up with him I'd really appreciate it! One day I hope to have a garden as beautiful and varied as yours. Tom.

Tim,

Hopefully, I will be able to come home on leave in the next month or two. If not I'll be home shortly after the end of the year. Anyway, would it be possible for me to come by your nursery to check out your Butiagrus palms? Right now I only have a few palms (and even fewer hybrid palms) in my collection that my wife is taking care of for me. Hopefully, some will be large enough in a few years to post some pics of them. Thanks for the great work that you do and for keeping us all so well informed on the hybridization process. Tom.

[Alberto]

great looking palm alberto (bxj)x syagrus is one of my best growing hybrids just out of interest your palm seems to have damage to the older leafs was this caused buy cold damage also do you have the other cross syagrusx(bxj) and it looks like this cross as kept a lot of the syagrus features and i believe it will end up being plumos to some degree is any one else seeing this in this cross

regards ricky

The older fronds...are old I think. I don´t know exactly why they are somewhat dry. It wasn´t frost damage.

No, I don´t have Syagrus x (BxJ). I will be a spectacular palm for sure!

[PalmGuyWC]

Tom,

Patricks E-mail address is coolhybrids@wildblue.net His tel. no is 707 895-3722.

Alberto,

I have both Syagrus X Bujubaea and Bujubaea X Syagrus, and they both look very much alike. They have been in the ground for about a year and are just now begining to take off in growth. They both have flat plane fronds and look a little more "refined" than a common mule. I'll have pictures later on in the year when they have put on some growth.

Dick

[freakypalmguy]

Tom,

Patricks E-mail address is coolhybrids@wildblue.net His tel. no is 707 895-3722.

Alberto,

I have both Syagrus X Bujubaea and Bujubaea X Syagrus, and they both look very much alike. They have been in the ground for about a year and are just now begining to take off in growth. They both have flat plane fronds and look a little more "refined" than a common mule. I'll have pictures later on in the year when they have put on some growth.

Dick

Dick,

My Bujubea X Syagrus is starting to get a twist in the fronds like your BuJubea, it's just a bit smaller than Albertos. It keeps growing all year long.

[PalmGuyWC]

Tom,

Patricks E-mail address is coolhybrids@wildblue.net His tel. no is 707 895-3722.

Alberto,

I have both Syagrus X Bujubaea and Bujubaea X Syagrus, and they both look very much alike. They have been in the ground for about a year and are just now begining to take off in growth. They both have flat plane fronds and look a little more "refined" than a common mule. I'll have pictures later on in the year when they have put on some growth.

Dick

Dick,

My Bujubea X Syagrus is starting to get a twist in the fronds like your BuJubea, it's just a bit smaller than Albertos. It keeps growing all year long.

Matt,

Your very observant. I just went out and inspected my Bujubea X Syagrus and the 3 newest fronds are showing a "twist" like yours. Growth is very slow this spring in N. Calif. This is my 2nd morning with a low of 50F (10C). These low temps are getting to be ridiculous as it's almost summer.

Dick

[Nigel]

Mid winter here, but it is warm at the moment 20C last night and up to 28C today, and my jubutyagrus is finally starting to grow after 1 year from being dug up in england.

[PalmTom]

Dick,

Thanks for giving me Patrick's contact info! Hopefully I'll be posting Pics of any palms I get from him on this forum in the not too distant future. Tom.

[Alberto]

Mid winter here, but it is warm at the moment 20C last night and up to 28C today, and my jubutyagrus is finally starting to grow after 1 year from being dug up in england.

Here 14´C in the early morning and 23´c during the day ...spring time until the next cold front!

[freakypalmguy]

Tom,

Patricks E-mail address is coolhybrids@wildblue.net His tel. no is 707 895-3722.

Alberto,

I have both Syagrus X Bujubaea and Bujubaea X Syagrus, and they both look very much alike. They have been in the ground for about a year and are just now begining to take off in growth. They both have flat plane fronds and look a little more "refined" than a common mule. I'll have pictures later on in the year when they have put on some growth.

Dick

Dick,

My Bujubea X Syagrus is starting to get a twist in the fronds like your BuJubea, it's just a bit smaller than Albertos. It keeps growing all year long.

Matt,

Your very observant. I just went out and inspected my Bujubea X Syagrus and the 3 newest fronds are showing a "twist" like yours. Growth is very slow this spring in N. Calif. This is my 2nd morning with a low of 50F (10C). These low temps are getting to be ridiculous as it's almost summer.

Dick

Here is a picture of a Jubutyagrus planted at my place two years ago from a 3 leaf, strap leafer. It shows the twist pretty well.

[freakypalmguy]

What the heck, here's another hybrid, Butia paraguayensis X Syagrus r. Two years from a 3 leaf, strap leafer

[PalmGuyWC]

Matt,

It looks like your B paraguayensis X Syagrus is growing with hybrid vigor. It will be interesting to see if it has a different appearance from a regular mule when it gets larger.

Timeing is everything when crossing palms. Patrick was here this week for the first hybridizing of the year, but he was a day or two late with one of the Jubaea inflorescences, as some of the female flowers had already reached anthesis. He had not demasculated yet, so guess there will be some pure Jubaea seeds this year.

Dick

[iamjv]

Great looking hybrids! They'll be stunning when bigger and it appears they are at the front of the property for all to see. Jv

[freakypalmguy]

Thank you Dick and JV, I am really curious to see if the B.p. X S.r. puts on a trunk (it sure looks like it will) being that the mother B.p. is basically trunkless. Here is a picture of the mother, Dicks Butia paraguayenis which, if I remember right, is around 25 to 30 years old, and you can see it just has a small stubby trunk formed.

[PalmGuyWC]

This may confuse matters, but the best educated guess is that my hybrid that has produced so many seeds is a Butia X Jubaea with Butia being the mother plant. So, the crosses with Syagrus should be called Bujubagrus. The reverse cross should be called Syagrus X Bujubaea.

Dick

[TimHopper]

My XJubutyagrus seedlings are growing fast with the warm weather. They seem to grow best with a lot of sun. Here are a few photos from this morning. Tim

[Alibaba]

Hallo all!

Are these wonderful palms available somewhere?

Thanks

Gerrad

[iamjv]

Tim those hybrids are looking nice and healthy... look forward to seeing some of these growing up at various locations and how they do with the various climates. Jv

[TimHopper]

JV, I am also interested in seeing some of these growing up in other locations. My JxB (the mother of my XJubutyagrus) is a good grower here in Florida and grows almost as fast in Winter as in Summer. I expect that trait would be passed along to XJubutyagrus which should be a big advantage in cool climates like in Europe. I know the JxB has been very cold hardy in other locations, and I am curios about the cold tolerance limits of these XJubutyagrus as they get larger. I would expect that they would be at least as resilient as XButyagrus. Tim

[merrill]

Hi, Tim:

You certainly called it correctly that time! I was amazed that my JXBXS has been just about as coldhardy as my JXB.

Best Wishes,

merrill

[TimHopper]

What the heck, here's another hybrid, Butia paraguayensis X Syagrus r. Two years from a 3 leaf, strap leafer

Matt that hybrid has really nice form. I'll bet it will be awesome in a couple of more years. Tim

[sergiskan]

JV, I am also interested in seeing some of these growing up in other locations. My JxB (the mother of my XJubutyagrus) is a good grower here in Florida and grows almost as fast in Winter as in Summer. I expect that trait would be passed along to XJubutyagrus which should be a big advantage in cool climates like in Europe. I know the JxB has been very cold hardy in other locations, and I am curios about the cold tolerance limits of these XJubutyagrus as they get larger. I would expect that they would be at least as resilient as XButyagrus. Tim

Hi Tim.

the plants arrived yesterday...looks healty and happy...

now you have two Xjubutiagrus growing in Spain...may be the hottest part of Europe...(Portugal and Italy too)...

...one is on ground...Planted in Mallorca(inland)...nights near 0ºCelsius successive three months(december, january, february) ...and some nights under 0ºC...

thank you...

[sergiskan]

beautiful pics of hybrids in this post...

regards.

[TimHopper]

Sergio, I am glad that they arrived in good condition. I have sent quite a few of these XJubutyagrus to parts of Europe and I am looking forward to future reports (and photos) of how they are growing there. Thanks, Tim

Edited July 29, 2010 by TimHopper

[Rafael]

JV, I am also interested in seeing some of these growing up in other locations. My JxB (the mother of my XJubutyagrus) is a good grower here in Florida and grows almost as fast in Winter as in Summer. I expect that trait would be passed along to XJubutyagrus which should be a big advantage in cool climates like in Europe. I know the JxB has been very cold hardy in other locations, and I am curios about the cold tolerance limits of these XJubutyagrus as they get larger. I would expect that they would be at least as resilient as XButyagrus. Tim

Hi Tim.

the plants arrived yesterday...looks healty and happy...

now you have two Xjubutiagrus growing in Spain...may be the hottest part of Europe...(Portugal and Italy too)...

...one is on ground...Planted in Mallorca(inland)...nights near 0ºCelsius successive three months(december, january, february) ...and some nights under 0ºC...

thank you...

Lucky you Sergio, your request did pass through...

I have less chance, maybe i will have someone to receive them...