BuJubaea - The Way to Pack a Palm

[Ben in Norcal]

5 hours ago, OverGrown said:

They mentioned that if it was crossed back with butia, that it would be unlikely that it would look like the parent plant.   Debra is stating that they are Butia X Jubaea X Butia. Does that mean that they are crossed back to butia?   

Oh - I see.  Maybe Debra can clarify?  I put mine in a pot to see how it develops - assuming it makes it. 

[ErikSJI]

As you can see in the photos the inflorescence has not been cleaned up and has male flowers still on it. States that it is Jub x butia parent. Debra is stating it is Butia x jub x butia. It appears that the pollinating is not being done by someone and is being done by nature so how exactly are you going to know what the cross is? In my opinion it is a crap shoot on what you are going to get or if it will look anything like the parent tree.

[Brad Mondel]

Exactly and it could even be pollinated by a Syagrus if there's one nearby... 

[ErikSJI]

On a good note it is accepting pollen.

[meteorologistpalmguy]

Really beautiful palm in the first set of pictures.  But am I the only one having a hard time seeing much "J" in it?  Looks like a pure Butia to my very very untrained eye.  Are there particular Jubaea traits I am not seeing here?  Are there any hooks on the parent trees leaflets?  Was the main thing that kept me from hitting buy when I saw it on Ebay, even before this particular thread opened.

[redbeard917]

5 hours ago, meteorologistpalmguy said:

Really beautiful palm in the first set of pictures.  But am I the only one having a hard time seeing much "J" in it?  Looks like a pure Butia to my very very untrained eye.  Are there particular Jubaea traits I am not seeing here?  Are there any hooks on the parent trees leaflets?  Was the main thing that kept me from hitting buy when I saw it on Ebay, even before this particular thread opened.

No, it looked like a Butia to me too, but those seeds sure don't.

[redbeard917]

From an aesthetic point of view, though, is there a substantive difference between (BxJ)xB and Butia?

[Rafael]

On 9 de dezembro de 2015, 02:09:19, Ben in Norcal said:

Where'd you see those reports?  I am trying one in the ground here, too (first winter) - but I thought it was really marginal in 9b.

Allagoptera caudescens is definitely marginal in 9b.

[ErikSJI]

Aesthetic point of view. Here is a photo of one of our garden Variety Butia Odorata. Compare it with the photo above to the parent Butia x Jubaea. Then if it is being backcrossed. I would not see much difference in look then a regular Butia.

[OverGrown]

I received a couple emails this morning that my order has shipped, very professional there were even detailed instructions on how to plant it out...Stay tuned for tons of pictures when it arrives!   Aesthetically, I'm hoping that it will look like a massive butia with really long (20ft) recurved silver fronds like the description had mentioned, assuming it breeds true, if grows up to look like a silver butia the size of a Canary Island Date Palm then I will be happy otherwise I will take it as a lesson learned.    

Keith and Ben,  any chance you guys can post pictures of what yours currently look like?

[_Keith]

On 12/10/2015, 8:36:01, Ben in Norcal said:

Anyway, my plant is struggling - I suspect from root disturbance when I was re-potting (the mucky Florida dirt fell away and may have torn off some smaller roots.) Ugh.

You are brave plant out in winter.   I am going to keep mine under bottom heat all winter because as you said, even will full soil, shipping is tough on roots.   When the soil heats in late spring I'll plant out mine, hopefully by then with a healthy set of roots.

[Ben in Norcal]

Just now, _Keith said:

You are brave plant out in winter.   I am going to keep mine under bottom heat all winter because as you said, even will full soil, shipping is tough on roots.   When the soil heats in late spring I'll plant out mine, hopefully by then with a healthy set of roots.

Actually the pot it came in had seen better days, so I was just trying to pot it up into a 15g.  Hopefully it will make it...will give it into spring to show some signs of life.

[_Keith]

On 12/10/2015, 8:36:01, Ben in Norcal said:

Anyway, my plant is struggling - I suspect from root disturbance when I was re-potting (the mucky Florida dirt fell away and may have torn off some smaller roots.) Ugh.

Put some bottom heat under it, and I am betting it will be fine.   Mine came in a nice pot and near perfect condition, but I could tell UPS had jostled it about pretty good.  IT was pretty stretched out, too, so I suspect it was pure greenhouse with no full sun, but Louisiana will take care of that in short order.

[earthworm73]

On ‎12‎/‎8‎/‎2015‎ ‎6‎:‎59‎:‎15‎, _Keith said:

Now my friends, this is the way to pack a palm.   I have a Jubutia going slow but doing well after 6 years, and now super jazzed to have BuJubaea to add to the garden.

I read this whole thread because I too bought one of the advertised BxJ from the same vendor on fleabay. But mine is a little guy at 1g. I was really hoping this is the real thing since I’ve had a helluva time with plain Butias at my house but seeing people that have success with them in other areas of the state with similar climates and some even slightly colder than my house (8b). I will say the packing was very well done and the seller took the time to ensure that the plant was well hydrated for the trip to Washington which was a good idea since it took 10 days in transit! My little guy has been in my “greenhouse” (really a tall hoophouse) ever since and once the weather started to warm consistently I swear I must have fed it rocket fuel. After like two weeks of owning it I marked the spear and in one week it put on an inch of growth which is not bad for a very skinny stretched out pipsqueak palm no thicker than a pencil at the base (if even that much). I’ll probably keep it in the greenhouse until about early June when we can stay above 70F on a daily basis then I will introduce it to the outdoor living. I will grow it up until a seven gallon before digging a hole and at this current rate of growth shouldn’t be more than 2-3 years.

[_Keith]

Update on mine.  It was even more stretched out than I originally estimated.   Now totally sure, but it has been planted out a couple months now,  Looks like crap, but finally pushing out its first new frond.  Remember UPS can it a rough ride and there was significant root disturbance.  It had not been packed so well, it would sure be dead.  The old stretched out fronds look like a bundle of cooked spaghetti.  Best guess on its first new frond is that it will be 1/2 to 1/3 the size of the stretched out ones, revealing the true size of the palm.

[Brad Mondel]

Time will tell, keep us updated Keith. 

[Ben in Norcal]

That's exactly what mind did...I gave up on it.

[Josh-O]

2 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

That's exactly what mind did...I gave up on it.

did you rip it out and toss it in the pile of doom?

[Ben in Norcal]

1 minute ago, Josh-O said:

did you rip it out and toss it in the pile of doom?

Yes, I have no patience for nursing. Opportunity to try something else.

[Josh-O]

Just now, Ben in Norcal said:

Yes, I have no patience for nursing. Opportunity to try something else.

My man!!!! 

[Scott W]

Anyone else still growing this palm?

I know mine is doing great here in NE Florida, and it certainly has a much different look than your standard Butia.  I know I had posted comparison pics before but hadn't realized there were a couple threads on this already. 

Curious what everyone else's palms looks like...here's mine.

 

[Merlyn]

2 hours ago, Scott W said:

Anyone else still growing this palm?

I know mine is doing great here in NE Florida, and it certainly has a much different look than your standard Butia.  I know I had posted comparison pics before but hadn't realized there were a couple threads on this already. 

Curious what everyone else's palms looks like...here's mine.

That's a great looking palm!  I bought one in October 2019 and planted it in the front yard in December 2019.  It was under a LOT of shade until last summer, so it was definitely growing slow.  It is slowly pushing a big new frond though, so in a couple of weeks I should be able to see what it really looks like:

And here is a Patrick Jubaea x Butia for comparison.  I bought this as a liner in March 2019 and planted it in November 2020.  It has grown a LOT since I put it in the ground, substantially faster than the JxB and BxJ from Patrick that are still in pots. 

[Scott W]

@Merlyn that's kinda how mine looked in 2018 when I put it in the ground...hard to believe this is this same palm that I posted above.

[Scott W]

29 minutes ago, Merlyn said:

And here is a Patrick Jubaea x Butia for comparison.  I bought this as a liner in March 2019 and planted it in November 2020.  It has grown a LOT since I put it in the ground, substantially faster than the JxB and BxJ from Patrick that are still in pots. 

Very impressive growth from liner size for sure!  

I've certainly noted palms planted in the ground have much better growth.  For example, the Syagrus romanzoffiana litoralis' pictured below are the same age, grown from the same seed batch...the one in the grow bag is puny in comparison.

[Merlyn]

32 minutes ago, Scott W said:

@Merlyn that's kinda how mine looked in 2018 when I put it in the ground...hard to believe this is this same palm that I posted above.

I'm glad you posted your two photos, thanks!  I was considering digging mine up and potting it for some later spot.  But if it looks like yours in 1-2 years then it's in a great location!

[Scott W]

Palm on the left is one of my newest addition, a beautiful blue Butia.  On the right is the palm purchased from @IdolLurker which was stated to be a hybrid.

Palm on the left was grown from seed by me and placed in the ground from a 3 gallon size in 2007/2008.  Palm on the right was put into the ground from a 3 gallon size in 2018.

Lots of variables to consider, but still, pretty impressive growth from the one on the right.  Palm an the right also has much less recurve, more upright growth habit and flatter fronds overall.

Palm in the middle front is my Jubaea chilensis

 

 

[BeyondTheGarden]

I love that area there Scott.  A couple Lytocaryum back there too right? 

[Scott W]

7 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

I love that area there Scott.  A couple Lytocaryum back there too right? 

Good eye!!!

Yes, there are five Hoehnei and five weddellianum back there starting to the left, as well as a Butia archeri, Syagrus campylospatha and Chamaedorea radicalis

[Scott W]

Just another update with four years between planting in the ground from three gallon size.  Still amazed on how much this has outpaced and outgrown other pure Butia planted in my yard and compared to even my neighbors Butia that he says they planted out nearly 30 y ars ago.

Butia are historically known to be slow growers....with this for sure I'd say it's growing at lightning speed....

Tried to capture the same perspective.....looking forward to this monster flowering someday and crossing it with Syagrus pollen....

So here is the Butia x Jubaea x ??? purchased from the OP and as pictured 3/2018

And here it is 3/2022

[fr8train]

I just ordered one of these, it's cool to see how fast they grown for some of you.

[JubaeaMan138]

Here’s my bujubaea 

[amh]

I love these hybrids, does anyone have an in-depth comparison for the differences between the palms with jubaea or butia as the mother?

[Scott W]

On 8/27/2023 at 2:43 PM, JubaeaMan138 said:

Here’s my bujubaea 

 

Beautiful tree!  I'm assuming this was a cross done by someone else and not the grower mentioned in this thread?

[Merlyn]

My JxB from Patrick has grown very steadily.  It's now about 6 feet tall but getting crowded by an Encephalartos Gratus x Whitelockii on the left...and a Kisambo on the right.  Those have fronds about 8' tall and 10-12' tall, respectively.  This was planted in November 2020 as I posted earlier in my 7/29/21 photos.  It's really grown about 2 feet in height per year.

Unfortunately the other one is actually smaller than it was on 7/29/21!  It was getting hit by a lawn sprinkler and got a crown rot in spring 2022, grew out of that with hydrogen peroxide + Daconil, then got a massive mealybug infestation in the crown, grew a spear, got hit by a branch, got another mealybug infestation...it's had a hard life in my yard!!!  😮  It finally opened two new small fronds and I'm going to watch it like a hawk for more mealybugs.  For some weird reason they nested deep in the crown and only ate the new spears.  I hit it with a systemic (either Imadicloprid or Dinotefuran) after doing the soapy water + Malathion treatment.  Maybe by the end of the year it'll have at least a couple of decent fronds?

[JubaeaMan138]

6 hours ago, Scott W said:

Beautiful tree!  I'm assuming this was a cross done by someone else and not the grower mentioned in this thread?

@doomsdave told me where that plant came from he may remember . It wasn’t Patrick I don’t Think . But it may have been . 

[Scott W]

Just another update....was walking the dog through the palm forest, stopped to talk to this one about flowering in the spring when much to my surpise...it's flowering now!!!  Overall about 6 years total from 3 gallon to now.  Super excited for sure!

[Will]

Is there a way to get any of those hybrids in Europe?

[Scott W]

13 hours ago, Will said:

Is there a way to get any of those hybrids in Europe?

The problem is the customs forms....

If you ship without a phytosanitary certificate and put palm tree as the item it will get confiscated and destroyed.  One could always list something else but I'm not sure the consequences of lying on a federal document are If it's discovered that the contents are not what they are stated to be.

[Scott W]

First spathe opened today, with most of the male flowers dropping off.  By my analysis only 6 stamens...and from what I'm told that means it's definitely more Butia, at least Butia on the mother side and not Jubaea, as the latter would have 8 stamens or more.

Going to let it self the first couple rounds then apply Syagrus romanzoffiana pollen to it...

[Scott W]

Well the first bract didn't accept any pollen, but the second bract did accept Syagrus pollen and I harvested a little over 300 seeds.  Have not sacrificed any to check viability yet.  Hoping to see more bracts next year...