Un-boxing my BUTIA X JUBAEA HYBRID!!! [How to properly ship a palm tree or plant.]

[mcrawford]

I have 2 common pindos and while both very similar, do not look like this palm.

They lack these tightly recurved leaves.  It is possible it is a B x J rather than

the other lineage.

[Tom in Tucson]

15 hours ago, mcrawford said:

I have 2 common pindos and while both very similar, do not look like this palm.

They lack these tightly recurved leaves.  It is possible it is a B x J rather than

the other lineage.

I'm not trying to "beat a dead horse"... but are you saying you bought a JxB and a JxQ (JxS) from Bill Early? And if so how much does he charge for the JxQ? Can you post an image of the JxQ?

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 102°, Lo 76°

[mcrawford]

I think the Pindo x Queen was around $150 (locally they are $450).  (Attached are 2 photos of it.)

I paid around $350 for the 36" short boxed Jubaea hybrid.  That same day, I went on to Josh's to

p/u something else and he said it looked to be a cross, but not the typical.   This is when I called Bill

and asked him which was the "mother" and he was uncertain, as he got it from a local "hobby grower". 

[Ben in Norcal]

1 minute ago, mcrawford said:

I think the Pindo x Queen was around $150 (locally they are $450).  (Attached are 2 photos of it.)

I paid around $350 for the 36" short boxed Jubaea hybrid.  That same day, I went on to Josh's to

p/u something else and he said it looked to be a cross, but not the typical.   This is when I called Bill

and asked him which was the "mother" and he was uncertain, as he got it from a local "hobby grower". 

Monte, that one is interesting.  It looks more like my "reverse mule" - Syagrus mother as opposed to the usual Butia mother.

[mcrawford]

It take our temp extremes well (22F-119F) and is pretty fast, if given lots of water.

I am picking up another this fall.

[Tom in Tucson]

Monte, at the risk of trying to "beat another dead horse" - Are you saying that the Jubaea hybrid is a JxQ (JxS)? And if so, can you post any pictures of THAT hybrid?

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ 

Hi 102°, Lo 76° - 8/19

[mcrawford]

The most recent 2 photos is of the "common" mule, Pindo x Queen.

The "controversial" photo of the 36" palm is a hybrid of Jubaea

and Pindo, although, apparently in the reverse "direction".  Again,

here is that photo.

[Tom in Tucson]

Monte, on August 12th you stated: "Also great here is the Jubea x Queen cross. I cannot say enough good about these two. Try them. In the Fallbrook area, Bill Early has the best prices."

To which Kirk asked: "I didn't know that there were breeders other than Patrick that were making the J x Q cross. What sizes does Bill have?" His questions were never answered.

Do you own any JxQ (JxS) hybrids? And if so:

Where did you obtain them?

What size are they?

How much did they cost?

Can you post any image(s) of them?

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 98°, Lo 72°

[mcrawford]

I misspoke.  I meant the pindo x queen and the pindo x Jubaea cross (not necessarily crossed in that order).

Call him and find out what he has now and at what price.  

[Tom in Tucson]

4 hours ago, mcrawford said:

I misspoke.  I meant the pindo x queen and the pindo x Jubaea cross (not necessarily crossed in that order).

Call him and find out what he has now and at what price.  

Monte, thank you for settling that topic.

For others that would like to pursue the possibility that someone besides Patric(k) Schafer sells the JxQ (Jubaea x Queen) hybrid, Bill Earley of Las Palmas Ranch Nursery (in Oceanside, CA) can be reached at (760) 726-7488 (area code 760 may have changed to 442).

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ 

Hi 98°, Lo 72° - 8/20

[OverGrown]

Here is an update of that same palm today.

[gilles06]

Looks like a pure butia?

Edited July 11, 2018 by gilles06
mistake

[Sanips]

I dunno if it's the real deal but I'm sure it's beautiful as well as your garden.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Yea, they are pure butia. I was pretty sure they were but bought a few myself just to check it out. Word to the wise do not buy F2 seed or plants from anyone (including from me) without asking for an image/stamen count on the mother plant.  If they can't provide it then don't waste your money. 

[Xhoniwaters1]

Joseph, 

I bought seeds on ebay awhile back from a source in Northern Louisiana who claimed to have a seeding BxJ but did not know the F. I believe he is also the gentleman with the large Jubaea. I think you know the source I am talking about. If you do, whats your take on that palm? You think seedlings from that palm will look like pure Butia?

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

@Xhoniwaters1 I do know that plant and it is a BxJ for sure. 

[Xhoniwaters1]

That's what it seemed. Good to know!! 

[OverGrown]

On 7/11/2018, 6:00:57, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Yea, they are pure butia. I was pretty sure they were but bought a few myself just to check it out. Word to the wise do not buy F2 seed or plants from anyone (including from me) without asking for an image/stamen count on the mother plant.  If they can't provide it then don't waste your money. 

I'm not familiar with pure butia growth rate but this palm seems to grow steadily throughout the year.  What do you think as far as growth for four years?  Is there hybrid vigor or is that about the growth that can be expected for pure butia as well?  

[OverGrown]

On 7/11/2018, 1:53:17, gilles06 said:

Looks like a pure butia?

At the very least it's exhibiting dominant butia phenotype.  

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

BxJ, JxB F1 &F2 all grow about the same speed as regular butia odorata for us. 

[OverGrown]

While we are on the topic of Butia's check out these specimens and let me know what you think...

[OverGrown]

same palm as the post above

[OverGrown]

Compact form or hybrid? Or under watered?

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Gotta see the flowers for a stamen count, but they look like odorata to me especially with the trunk girth. 

[gilles06]

On 11/07/2018 à, OverGrown said:

Here is an update of that same palm today.

is it blooming?

[Swolte]

Sorry to go OT but am I wrong to recognize that shark mural from a TV show? 

Awesome pics!

[OverGrown]

On 7/13/2018, 9:32:17, gilles06 said:

is it blooming?

Yes, I will post pictures as soon as something substantial appears

[OverGrown]

On 7/13/2018, 12:06:54, Swolte said:

Sorry to go OT but am I wrong to recognize that shark mural from a TV show? 

Awesome pics!

My hedge was used as a backdrop for an hgtv show but I'm not sure if the shark mural made an appearance.  I don't watch tv so I have no idea.  What tv show were you thinking of?

[Swolte]

Hah, that's probably it then. Some make-over show. I don't watch any regularly. Probably saw it in some waiting room and though it was cool! 

[OverGrown]

From today

[OverGrown]

From today 

[OverGrown]

Seed

[Merlyn]

That's a pretty Butia!  After ~2.5 year's growth your palm seems similar to a regular one, has anyone been able to help determine if it's a pure Butia or a Jubaea x Butia hybrid?  The seller that you purchased yours from is still selling them on eBay as hybrids, but I already have 3 large and 2 baby regular Butias.  I don't need another if it turns out that they are not actually hybrids.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Merlyn2220

[LeonardHolmes]

On 7/12/2018 at 11:42 AM, OverGrown said:

At the very least it's exhibiting dominant butia phenotype.  

Mine looks a lot like yours.  (Same source - eBay) I'm thinking of it as a Butia that may carry a few Jubaea genes.  Do you have any updated pictures of yours?   

[sonoranfans]

Its hard to tell if its a hybrid unless you have hooked leaf tips and that they grow out of so if you see them its confirmed but if you dont it doesnt mean anything.  I have two hybrids, a BxJ in the ground 7-8 years from a 15 gallon and then a (BxJ)xJ in a 25 gallon which shows more jubaea character.  The BxJ is a wide palm 15'plus wide crown unlike any butia I have seen and the leaves tend to corkscrew. 

First BxJ

the (BxJ)xJ from patrick is still in a pot from a bare root seedling.  I havent het decided if I have the space but its looking better every year.  It has no corckscrew in the leaves and a more shallow V profile of the leaflet arrangements.

[Scott W]

This is mine purchased from the same grower some 8ish years ago.  Looks like no other Butia in my collection.  It flowered twice this year...so I put queen pollen on it 😁

[Scott W]

2 hours ago, sonoranfans said:

the (BxJ)xJ from patrick is still in a pot from a bare root seedling.  I havent het decided if I have the space but its looking better every year.  It has no corckscrew in the leaves and a more shallow V profile of the leaflet arrangements.

If you need a home for it let me know.  Seriously...I'd love to have this in my collection 😍