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Smallest Pinnate Palm?

knell

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knell Mentor

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A google search vaguely suggests Ch. elegans as the palm that produces the smallest pinnate leaves. Would you agree?

Thank you!

Darold Petty Grand Master

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No, there is a smaller Dypsis, but I am too lazy to look it up ! :mrlooney:

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Stevetoad Grand Master

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Dypsis minuta I think

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Dypsis minuta

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knell Mentor

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Thank you both! Does D minuta make feather shaped leaves? I suppose thats what I really meant to ask.

Pal Meir Grand Master

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  On 1/13/2016 at 5:54 AM, Kai said:

My guess here would be Lytocaryum weddellianum.

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I guess, you meant Lytocaryum itapebiense. The stem (acaulescent) is much shorter than that of Dypsis minuta (15 to 50 cm). Also the size of the leaves is in case of D. minuta a bit obscure: The smaller (and even the most adult) leaves seem to be not pinnate, but only bifid. — The stem of Chamaedorea elegans can grow more than 3 m tall.

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  On 1/13/2016 at 9:12 AM, Pal Meir said:

I guess, you meant Lytocaryum itapebiense. The stem (acaulescent) is much shorter than that of Dypsis minuta (15 to 50 cm). Also the size of the leaves is in case of D. minuta a bit obscure: The smaller (and even the most adult) leaves seem to be not pinnate, but only bifid. — The stem of Chamaedorea elegans can grow more than 3 m tall.

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He asked the smallest pinnate "leaf" palm. Which has nothing to do with the height of the palm.

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Syagrus liliputiana

 

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  On 1/13/2016 at 12:48 PM, Jeff Searle said:

He asked the smallest pinnate "leaf" palm. Which has nothing to do with the height of the palm.

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Thanks, I had to read the text more carefully. :rolleyes:

  On 1/13/2016 at 1:33 PM, Gileno Machado said:

Syagrus liliputiana

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Chamaedorea elegans: rachis 15-60cm, pinnae 15-30cm x 1-3cm (Hodel 1992). That means for the minimum: rachis 15cm, pinnae 15cm x 1cm.
Syagrus itapebiensis: rachis 31-52cm, pinnae 11-16cm x 1.2-1.9cm (Noblick & Lorenzi 2010). Minimum: rachis 31cm, pinnae 11cm x 1.2cm.
Syagrus lilliputiana: rachis 20-25cm, pinnae 30-35cm x 0.8cm (Lorenzi &al. 2004). Minimum: rachis 20cm, pinnae 30cm x 0.8cm.
Dypsis minuta: midrib 4.5-6cm, lamina entire 19.5-33cm (Dransfield & Beentje 1995). No data for pinnate leaves. :huh:

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Kai Mentor

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  On 1/13/2016 at 12:48 PM, Jeff Searle said:

He asked the smallest pinnate "leaf" palm. Which has nothing to do with the height of the palm.

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Oh I thought he meant the palm that produces pinate leaves when it's the smallest... 

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knell Mentor

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Apologies for the confusion, i meant the species which produces the smallest fully pinnate leaves.

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Knell:

Still not entirely clear, but I'll 'ave a go...

Several Chamaedorea spp. have pinnate eophylls (e.g. stenocarpa, scheryi, elegans, etc.) so would be competitive in "smallest fully pinnate leaves" running. As flowering adults, smallest fully pinnate Chamaedorea is pachecoana. I am guessing that smallest pinnate palm as expressed by mature height and canopy diameter will be either this or some obscure and very rare Dypsis sp.

Been around the block a few times in prime habitat in México and Guatemala where they are abundant and have never seen a C. elegans taller than ~two meters. That said, I would not consider it a particularly small member of the genus.

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I knew i would get into trouble trying to use my limited vocabulary around professionals...

Canopy height aside, Im wondering which palm seedling/juvenile  has the smallest feather shaped leaf, such as elegans.

The answers so far have been fantastic and enlightening so I appreciate all the responses so far!

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Hmm.

Dypsis minuta is from a pinnate genus, but produces bifid leaves. Bifes are merely feathers that don't split?

Find a palm teensier than that!

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Dave.....your above example is certainly not the norm, and people should not be led to believe this is what Dypsis minuta will grow up and look like. Your picture is no doubtfully showing a palm that is stunted and has severe problems.

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@Pal Meir wow! now thats what im talking about!!

i was unfamiliar with this species before i saw this post, and it looks like youre the only one with photos of it... do you have a picture of what the adult plant looks like?

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  On 3/24/2018 at 7:05 PM, knell said:

@Pal Meir wow! now thats what im talking about!!

i was unfamiliar with this species before i saw this post, and it looks like youre the only one with photos of it... do you have a picture of what the adult plant looks like?

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Lytocaryum batavum is a new species :D endemic to Batavia (= Netherlands). It is a sort of naturalized L. weddellianum which is now invasive over the border also to neighboring Germany. B) For a photo of the adult parent plant you have to contact @Kai of the Netherlands.:greenthumb:

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  On 3/24/2018 at 7:45 PM, Pal Meir said:

Lytocaryum batavum is a new species :D endemic to Batavia (= Netherlands). It is a sort of naturalized L. weddellianum which is now invasive over the border also to neighboring Germany. B) For a photo of the adult parent plant you have to contact @Kai of the Netherlands.:greenthumb:

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Oh no! What have I gotten myself into?

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This is the adult palm growing in my house, carrying seeds. The new pot that will be its home for maybe the rest of its life placed in front of it. I will repot after the seeds have matured.

Lytocaryum batavum palms are the first known Dutch offspring of this indoor seedgrown motherplant. The seed of this motherplant was purchased as Lytocaryum weddellianum from a French seed vendor about 12 years ago.

We are still waiting for the first Lytocaryum heidelbergianum though. My guess is that they will be reality in just a few years.

 

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