Livistona rigida?

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

This little guy was a gift from a nursery man in Houston since he had lost the id tag. I am guessing that it is a rigida? 

[gyuseppe]

yes !

[Pal Meir]

»The edges of the leaf and the main leaf veins are finely toothed.« Palmpedia: Latania lontaroides

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

My experience with Latania is really limited so if Pal Meir is right, I wouldn't be able to comment meaningfully.  But thats pretty much identical to the seedlings I called Livistona rigida.  But I understand L. mariae looks much the same.  And I had some folks tell me it was L. mariae.  So, I remain a bit confused on the Livistonas too.  But nice score anyway.  It won't be long until you can tell for sure.  

[Pal Meir]

I have never seen any Livistona with such toothed leaf edges. It is definitely not a Livistona, I think a Latania, perhaps L. lontaroides. For comparison a Livistona rigida in its natural habitat (Mataranka/NT):

 

[NorthFlpalmguy]

For reference, I attached a close up of a known Livistona Mariae/Decipiens hybrid. I'd said it's probably a Livistona Rigida or Mariae.

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

I looked at the 3 in my yard.  The smallest has teeth like those in the photos.  The two larger ones do not.  Mine have been in the ground long enough that if they were Latania, they'd have frozen to death.  I will get a pix after work.  

[gyuseppe]

53 minutes ago, NorthFlpalmguy said:

For reference, I attached a close up of a known Livistona Mariae/Decipiens hybrid. I'd said it's probably a Livistona Rigida or Mariae.

your hybrid is livistona rigida x decora

[gyuseppe]

I have done from seed more of 10 species of livistona,including decora,rigida,mariae

 

[Pal Meir]

I have to correct myself. I found the following remarks in Palmpedia only (!) for L. mariae: »proximal margins of outer segments with small spines«, but not for other Livistonas.

@gyuseppe Which ones of your 10+ Livistona spp. had leaflets with toothed margins?

[gyuseppe]

Sorry Pal , I do not remember!
certainly not  livistona muelleri, this species when is  small ,enough soft leaves

[MattyB]

Yes, this is Livistona rigida.

 

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

Such and ugly leaf...but it does have the stickers (spines).  Everything has stickers around here.  Photo with the flip-flop is the whole plant.  Notice, when they are small, mine seem to keep only 3 leaves.  As they get older, they get less ugly.  Thats kind of the way it worked for me too..... 

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

Even this one thats a bit larger has some spines on the leaves.  Its not as ugly a plant either.  

[Phoenikakias]

So, if I unerstand, correctly in this topic and in other as well, the rigida as soon as on the eophyll bares tiny hooks on leaf margins, representing the future spines on the petiol, while marie seedlings have a smooth leaf margin on eophyll and following strap leaves? Here is a purported rigida seedling in third leaf stage having tiny hooks on all three leaves, and a close-up of eophyll... Eophyll is uniformly green, while younger leaves even in semi shade during winter have already traces of red.