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Mystery palm. Need identification help!

Mandrew968

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

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Was with my dad on a PRA in Fort Lauderdale with Rory and I noticed this palm-how could you not?! Yeah, a real stunner, but what is she?

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

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I asked Rory what it was-I thought Euterpe or Prestoea, but he said the flower structure was not right... Not right for Pinanga nor is it a Ptychosperma...

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Rory thought it might be an obscure species of Cyrtostachys. From his descriptions of the seed, I think it could be..? How many species have any of us really seen-only two species for me. 

Maybe it is a Rhopaloblaste? The pendant leaflets are so attractive.

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

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What does Palmtalk think? Thanks in advance for your time.

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RedRabbit Grand Master

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Wow, that really is a stunner. I'm still germinating so I don't have quite the same eye for palms as a lot of the other guys, but I'll be very interested to hear what the verdict on this one is. 

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Clinostigma? I really don't know but I love pendant fronds.

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Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Glad you posted this here Andrew. I've been meaning to take pictures and post it here myself for awhile but never seem to get around to it. Like you already said, I'm sort of convinced it's some kind of Cyrtostachys. I haven't been able to think of another genus with an inflorescence and seed that match this palm better than Cyrtostachys. If it is a Cyrtostachys the only valid name that looks similar enough to match would be C. loriae, although the pictures I can find of it don't match all that well. I know a number of older Cyrtostachys species were put into synonymy with loriae though, so I would imagine that there's some variability within the species. Otherwise it could be an undescribed species. Or I could just be entirely off on the genus haha. I don't have a picture of the ripe fruits, but they look very similar in shape and size to C. renda and are black with purplish flesh and juice if squeezed. I should also mention the crownshaft color is generally greener, but gets more colorful after it drops a leaf like it did recently. Anyway I'm really curious to hear some other peoples opinions.

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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All I can say is I'm STUNNED.

If it goes to seed, maybe see if they'll grow in La Habra?

 

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WOW, that's exciting!

I am almost sure it's not a Rhopaloblaste because of the crownshaft, I am not so sure about Cyrtostachys because of the crownshaft too.
But I am sure it would be fine in Doranakanda gardens.

With such good pictures of crownshaft and flowers, someone should tell us what it is. 
Looking forward to getting the answer :)

 

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Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

Pando Grand Master

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The pendant fronds almost look like Wallaceodoxa, but the inflorescence is of course very different. Very beautiful palm, whatever it is.

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That's like the Sophia Vergara of Palms!:drool:

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2016‎ ‎7‎:‎23‎:‎34‎, Rory said:

Glad you posted this here Andrew. I've been meaning to take pictures and post it here myself for awhile but never seem to get around to it. Like you already said, I'm sort of convinced it's some kind of Cyrtostachys. I haven't been able to think of another genus with an inflorescence and seed that match this palm better than Cyrtostachys. If it is a Cyrtostachys the only valid name that looks similar enough to match would be C. loriae, although the pictures I can find of it don't match all that well. I know a number of older Cyrtostachys species were put into synonymy with loriae though, so I would imagine that there's some variability within the species. Otherwise it could be an undescribed species. Or I could just be entirely off on the genus haha. I don't have a picture of the ripe fruits, but they look very similar in shape and size to C. renda and are black with purplish flesh and juice if squeezed. I should also mention the crownshaft color is generally greener, but gets more colorful after it drops a leaf like it did recently. Anyway I'm really curious to hear some other peoples opinions.

Rory, this is pretty interesting .It would be nice to see it in person. I don't think it's a Cyrtostachys spp. Most are clumping first off, and other species have never made it 's way into cultivation here that I'm aware of. I did introduce C. peekelina and C. microcarpa over 20 years ago of which both were clumping if I remember correctly. I have a nice C. elegans in the yard that's now about 12' in height, but it's solitary. Without looking into flower structures, the palm reminds me of either a Euterpe or Prestoea. But I would like to see it or find out any other history you know about it.

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gotta love that beautiful purple crown shaft!

thanks for posting. great looking palm

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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On 2/22/2016, 9:10:57, Jeff Searle said:

Rory, this is pretty interesting .It would be nice to see it in person. I don't think it's a Cyrtostachys spp. Most are clumping first off, and other species have never made it 's way into cultivation here that I'm aware of. I did introduce C. peekelina and C. microcarpa over 20 years ago of which both were clumping if I remember correctly. I have a nice C. elegans in the yard that's now about 12' in height, but it's solitary. Without looking into flower structures, the palm reminds me of either a Euterpe or Prestoea. But I would like to see it or find out any other history you know about it.

As of right now I think there are only supposed to be 7 accepted species of Cyrtostachys, multiple species ended up getting lumped into C. loriae, including both of the species you mentioned. Out of those 7 it seems like about half are solitary, so I don't know if that in particular is the best indicator. I really have no idea what it is though, I've just been able to rule out a lot of other palms based off flower structure and seed, and from what I haven't been able to rule out, Cyrtostachys seemed like the closest fit. I'm by no means 100% sold on that idea though. I agree that looking at the palms appearance alone, it looks like it could be a Euterpe. That was my first inclination before I saw it flowering too. Euterpe and Prestoea have pretty distinctive inflorescences though that don't match with this palms. My experience has been that both those genera also have round seeds (although there might be exceptions to this that I don't know of), while this palms seeds are an oblong football type shape. Anyway it's over at Jesse's if you want to take a look at it sometime. I'll be working over there all day this Saturday, if you want to stop by I'd be more than happy to show it to you and see what you think looking at it in person. If you feel like stopping by let me know.

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

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Fig-1-Cyrtostachys-loriae-Becc-in-Japen-

Here is a shot of Cyrtostachys loriae. I looked up close and the branching looks off--otherwise the palm itself looked like it could be a culprit...

 

<a href="https://www.researchgate.net/figure/215898370_fig1_Fig-1-Cyrtostachys-loriae-Becc-in-Japen-Island-Heatubun-et-al-546-strongly"><img src="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William_Baker/publication/215898370/figure/fig1/AS:305851647709189@1449932123897/Fig-1-Cyrtostachys-loriae-Becc-in-Japen-Island-Heatubun-et-al-546-strongly.png" alt="Fig. 1. Cyrtostachys loriae Becc. in Japen Island ( Heatubun et al. 546) &mdash; strongly divaricate in fl orescence with young fruits. PHOTO :&nbsp;"></a>

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Here is a shot of loriae. The pendant leaflets look good and you said the mauve color on the crownshaft is occasional, depending on when the new leaf falls, I recall...

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Glauca inflorescence looks most similar...

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