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RIP piersoniorum, in goes an eckmanii.

BS Man about Palms

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As little as 5-6 months ago I had my favorite palm doing very well in a nice spot in my yard..

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Then I had a storm in early February that blew 65-70mph winds at it and in about 6-8 weeks it looked like this... :crying: :badday:

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I removed it soon after it looked like that... :sick:

But what to put in its place?

 

(Pause now because my internet has gone wacky and this post took about a half hour to do..) :bummed:

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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But what to put in its place?

Let me guess a Pseudophoenix..... could it be a sargentii?  Nooo,  I'm going to guess an eckmanii!  Sorry, I couldn't resist.  Looking forward to seeing the photos of it planted.  What will be the anti-gopher strategy?

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49 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Let me guess a Pseudophoenix..... could it be a sargentii?  Nooo,  I'm going to guess an eckmanii!  Sorry, I couldn't resist.  Looking forward to seeing the photos of it planted.  What will be the anti-gopher strategy?

Well, since the Kentiopsis box was like a strongbox as such, I reused it. Heavy steel mesh inside a 24" box.  

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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So, I'm home now and there seems to be a giant improvement in speed, so here goes.

I took the KP out and most of its soil too, just in case of something untoward was in there! I've been hanging on to a few eckmanii that originated from a great chap in FL. ;)

Managed to keep them alive and get them over double the size they were when I got them! 

Maybe they are 15 years old or more?

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I used starting fluid as a subliminal message to the wee guy...

 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Here is the final look with 50% shade over head and to the south, my biggest concern. 

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I hope it explodes in growth! (Or maybe gets 5' tall before I die?) lol.. Its 28" tall now

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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I agree with you statement Bill  "I hope it explodes in growth! (Or maybe gets 5' tall before I die?" Mine is a bit smaller and probably 5 yrs younger than yours and I hope to have a 6' tall plant by the time im 70 yrs old....lol

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Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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BTW Josh, you have the distinction of being the last other PalmTalker to see the piersoniorum before its rapid decline... :( 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Hmm. Starter fluid kills roaches, too!

Nice Eckie, Bill!

 

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Sorry for your loss in the kentiopsis, that's a bad loss for sure!

surely strong winds didn't kill it??

Nothing wrong with a nice P. Eckmanii to fill the void! You certainly have great taste in palms!

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Sorry for your loss in the kentiopsis, that's a bad loss for sure!

surely strong winds didn't kill it??

Nothing wrong with a nice P. Eckmanii to fill the void! You certainly have great taste in palms!

I'm quite sure it did Ben. This palm has been very trouble free. Yet most New Cal palms around here seem ready to die at a moments notice from various fungus. I figure it twisted and/or snapped something inside and allowed the fungus in almost immediately. It had been growing fairly quick for a piersoniorum (measureable growth daily) and I marked the spear the morning after the storm as I was worried and it pushed for about 2 days... then no more... :bemused:

 

Thanks on the eckmanii choice. I have procured several gems over the years.. :)

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Good luck Bill. This is one of the Holy Grails of all Caribbean palms !

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and The Rainforest Collection.

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So, just over a month in the eckmanii seems fairly happy. It looks like almost an inch of growth or so! (Probably the occasional heat spells since putting in..) Yes, its kind of hard to decipher the growth marks.. compare to the earlier pic and enlarge.

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"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Looking good Bill!  Mine isn't looking too good these days.  I'm trying to give it more sun since it was originally in full sun when planted but has since been shaded out a bit. 

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11 hours ago, Fallbrook Jason said:

Looking good Bill!  Mine isn't looking too good these days.  I'm trying to give it more sun since it was originally in full sun when planted but has since been shaded out a bit. 

good call Jason, shade will slow the growth rate down considerably :(

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Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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Well, Just over two months in and this palm is approaching the Magic3" ™ and seems to be doing great!

@MattyB I think was onto something where I have a torture/ strength building camp for palms in pots here. When they go in the ground, they are so grateful to be planted, they take off! Maybe I should name it.. Lean&Mean4FutureGrowth ™ or something like that...hahah

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"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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1.5 inches a month seems like pretty fast spear growth for an Eckmanii!  Free at last!

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On 5/21/2016, 8:38:31, Jeff Searle said:

Good luck Bill. This is one of the Holy Grails of all Caribbean palms !

Not so holy if I have ten of them. Lediniana is more rare in my opinion... wouldn't call that a hoy grail palm either. Reinhardtia paewongskiana(may have spelled that wrong) comes to my mind when I think very very rare--that or my blue rigida. 

Sorry for the loss of your holy grail palm, Bill. I wouldn't wanna lose my favorite palm, so I have sympathy...

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Not so holy if I have ten of them. Lediniana is more rare in my opinion... wouldn't call that a hoy grail palm either. Reinhardtia paewongskiana(may have spelled that wrong) comes to my mind when I think very very rare--that or my blue rigida. 

Perhaps not as rare in Florida where you have close proximity and more similar climate.  I can't speak for other spots in the world, but in our small bit here in Southern California, it would rank as a Holy Grail Caribbean palm.  So you are fortunate to have enough to consider them to be common, while visitors from elsewhere will be ooowing and awing when they visit your garden.

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20 hours ago, Tracy said:

Perhaps not as rare in Florida where you have close proximity and more similar climate.  I can't speak for other spots in the world, but in our small bit here in Southern California, it would rank as a Holy Grail Caribbean palm.  So you are fortunate to have enough to consider them to be common, while visitors from elsewhere will be ooowing and awing when they visit your garden.

Sorry, Tracy--didn't mean to make you think they are common. That's not the right word... maybe common in the South Florida palm collector's garden. But not in the landscape around the city! I would also think these are rare for you because they don't AT ALL for most of California. The other parts, they probably eek by for a decade or so, until something takes them away... Rhopalostylis is very rare here for the same reason.

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Not so holy if I have ten of them. Lediniana is more rare in my opinion... wouldn't call that a hoy grail palm either. Reinhardtia paewongskiana(may have spelled that wrong) comes to my mind when I think very very rare--that or my blue rigida. 

Sorry for the loss of your holy grail palm, Bill. I wouldn't wanna lose my favorite palm, so I have sympathy...

Thanks for the sympathy Andrew. Funny you should mention the lendiniana ... when I back up to take the eckmannii pic my butt about hits my struggling, but still alive lendiniana..!

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"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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Bill, trust me, it's still a Holy Grail of a palm. Just ask around and see how many are actually in private collections, even the public gardens in your area.

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I told you I had lots of weeds! This sunny part overgrows quickly and has not been cut down since May. does seeing my weeds make you feel better Bill?

Here's mine from a Puertorican nursery owned by Noel Pecunia in Aguadilla. He suggested adding rocks to the existing soil and I had a few left over for the top. It is on a gentle slope as well to improve drainage.

I hope both of ours do great!

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Hey guys, these are just a few I have laying around the house--I have more at the nursery. Just so no one thinks I am a palm'talker'...

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And for what it's worth, I think this is a much more rarely encountered Caribbean palm.

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Bill, I smiled when I read about your ledinianna--you planted your ekman palm with a theme in mind...

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In case you all were wondering which species, its occidentalis. Still gets a little blush to the new emergent leaf, but not like it did when it was small.

 

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Your weeds look very lush Cindy! Mine only look that nice at the end of the winter rains or where I water regularly as its usually so dry here in the summer especially!

 

Here's an Overall one of mine doing pretty good! 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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17 hours ago, Cindy Adair said:

I told you I had lots of weeds! This sunny part overgrows quickly and has not been cut down since May. does seeing my weeds make you feel better Bill?

Here's mine from a Puertorican nursery owned by Noel Pecunia in Aguadilla. He suggested adding rocks to the existing soil and I had a few left over for the top. It is on a gentle slope as well to improve drainage.

I hope both of ours do great!

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Cindy, is your soil clay as well?

BTW, nice eckmanii you have there.

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Yes, Bill, lots of rain right now for my lush weeds! 

Foxtail, I would not describe my soil as having lots of clay like I had in VA and NC! It is just very wet in the photo! 

 

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Thanks for the sympathy Andrew. Funny you should mention the lendiniana ... when I back up to take the eckmannii pic my butt about hits my struggling, but still alive lendiniana..!

Found the time to get a shot of mine, yesterday. This palm was a piece of grass when I got it--this one and another at my inlaws that is not quite as big.

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Such a wonderful species, like something from a Dr Seuss book!  Not hardy enough to risk up here in FLORIDA'S mid latitude frost hole.  I did plant a P sergentii, however.  But that's not so rare.  

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

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21 hours ago, Keith in SoJax said:

Such a wonderful species, like something from a Dr Seuss book!  Not hardy enough to risk up here in FLORIDA'S mid latitude frost hole.  I did plant a P sergentii, however.  But that's not so rare.  

Good luck with it.

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Here is the final look with 50% shade over head and to the south, my biggest concern. 

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I hope it explodes in growth! (Or maybe gets 5' tall before I die?) lol.. Its 28" tall now

thats one sickly yellowy thing for sure...........try  my  trio

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9 hours ago, Tingtongthai said:

thats one sickly yellowy thing for sure...........try  my  trio

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Yeah, I should rip mine out.. How are your Ceroxylon doing?

 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Yeah, I should rip mine out.. How are your Ceroxylon doing?

 

it wont grow here

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3 hours ago, Tingtongthai said:

it wont grow here

HHmmm, same could be said of the eckmanii here. But I'm giving it a try. :D

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"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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18 hours ago, BS Man about Palms said:

HHmmm, same could be said of the eckmanii here. But I'm giving it a try. :D

i did realise why you said it but it likes blistering hot and  not a lot of water and in crappy soil..............more sand than soil

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Yeah, I should rip mine out.. How are your Ceroxylon doing?

 

Lol!

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Bill, trust me, it's still a Holy Grail of a palm. Just ask around and see how many are actually in private collections, even the public gardens in your area.

Holy Grail except if you are special, then I guess its not.

Mr. Bill how is your California grown one doing? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It has definitely slowed.. it seems the base has enlarged... leaves a bit shorter.. but still growing ....inches a year. :)

 

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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