ナゾナゾ Palm Riddle

[Pal Meir]

Palm Riddle:
(1) Which part of palm? (10 points)
(2) Which genus? (50 points)
(3) Which species? (40 points)

[Pal Meir]

No guess? So I’ll make it a bit easier and show a little more:

[doranakandawatta]

germinating seed of Palmica meirifica

[Pal Meir]

11 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

germinating seed of Palmica meirifica

I am sorry, I have to inform you that your guess is not completely correct, but nevertheless excellent and genial

[redbeard917]

1) cross section of a palm's spear?

[doranakandawatta]

13 minutes ago, redbeard917 said:

1) cross section of a palm's spear?

is this a natural situation or a section after you cut something?

I would have compared with that Salacca germination:

 

[doranakandawatta]

But if it is a view of palm hearth, then move this terrible picture to any cooking forum , cannibal ! 

[Pal Meir]

20 minutes ago, redbeard917 said:

1) cross section of a palm's spear?

No, I would never cut a part of a living palm  (except perhaps some dried leaves ) …

[Pal Meir]

7 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

is this a natural situation or a section after you cut something?

I would have compared with that Salacca germination:

It is a section after cutting something already dead, but WHAT?

[User00]

trunk cross section 

[Pal Meir]

6 minutes ago, User00 said:

trunk cross section 

10 points go to ……… SRI LANKA !!!

But which GENUS? I’ll post another pic:

[doranakandawatta]

inflorescence stem?

[doranakandawatta]

or one Rhapis of your collection?

 

[Pal Meir]

22 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

inflorescence stem?

No, and …

19 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

or one Rhapis of your collection?

… yes! 50 points go to Switzerland! (Or again to Sri Lanka?)

And it is one most popular species of Rhapis with very slender stems (in this case 6.5 mm without leaf sheaths). So which species?

[doranakandawatta]

R. excelsa?

[Pal Meir]

3 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

R. excelsa?

R excelsa: stem without sheaths 0.8-1.2 cm diameter

[doranakandawatta]

2 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

R excelsa: stem without sheaths 0.8-1.2 cm diameter

R. humilis?

one most popular species of Rhapis can't be the rarest Rhapis...

[Pal Meir]

2 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

R. humilis?

one most popular species of Rhapis can't be the rarest Rhapis...

R. humilis: stem without sheath 1.5-2.8 cm diameter, still worse

No, it’s not rare, when you order R. humilis seeds you’ll get in most cases this (which???) species. It is most common as indoor plant.

[Josh-O]

post another riddle Pal 

[Pal Meir]

1 minute ago, Josh-O said:

post another riddle Pal 

What does the red »prefix« of this thread mean? Can you read it?

[Josh-O]

a Titi?

The titis, or titi monkeys, are the New World monkeys of the genus Callicebus. They are the only extant members of the subfamily Callicebinae, which also contains the extinct generaXenothrix, Antillothrix, Paralouatta, Carlocebus, Lagonimico, and possibly also Tremacebus.

Titis live in South America, from Colombia to Brazil, Bolivia, Peru and north Paraguay.

Depending on species, titis have a head and body length of 23–46 centimetres (9.1–18.1 in), and a tail, which is longer than the head and body, of 26–56 centimetres (10–22 in).^[2] The different titi species vary substantially in coloring, but resemble each other in most other physical ways. They have long, soft fur, and it is usually reddish, brownish, grayish or blackish, and in most species the underside is lighter or more rufescent than the upperside. Some species have contrasting blackish or whitish foreheads, while all members of the subgenus Torquatushave a white half-collar.^[3] The tail is always furry and is not prehensile.

Diurnal and arboreal, titis predominantly prefer dense forests near water. They easily jump from branch to branch, earning them their German name, Springaffen (jumping monkeys). They sleep at night, but can also take a midday nap.

Titis are territorial. They live in family groups that consist of parents and their offspring, about two to seven animals in total. They defend their territory by shouting and chasing off intruders, but rarely engage in actual fighting.^[2] Their grooming and communication is important for the co-operation of the group. They can typically be seen in pairs sitting or sleeping with tails entwined.

The diet of the titis consists mainly of fruits, although they also eat leaves, flowers, insects, bird eggs and small vertebrates.^[2]

Titis are monogamous, mating for life. The female bears a single young after about a five-month gestation. Twins occur rarely, having been documented in only 1.4% of all births in captive groups of C. moloch.^[4] While the second infant usually does not survive, cases where neighbouring groups have adopted infants are known, suggesting that twins may be reared successfully under certain circumstances.^[5] Often it is the father who cares for the young, carrying it and bringing it to the mother only for nursing. The young are weaned after 5 months and are fully grown after two years. After three or more years, they leave their family group in order to find a mate. While the life expectancy of most species is unclear, the members of the subgenus Torquatus may live for up to 12 years in the wild,^[6] while members of the C. moloch group have been known to live for more than 25 years in captivity.^[

[Pal Meir]

2 minutes ago, Josh-O said:

a Titi?

 

The titis, or titi monkeys, are the New World monkeys of the genus Callicebus. They are the only extant members of the subfamily Callicebinae, which also contains the extinct generaXenothrix, Antillothrix, Paralouatta, Carlocebus, Lagonimico, and possibly also Tremacebus.

Titis live in South America, from Colombia to Brazil, Bolivia, Peru and north Paraguay.

Depending on species, titis have a head and body length of 23–46 centimetres (9.1–18.1 in), and a tail, which is longer than the head and body, of 26–56 centimetres (10–22 in).^[2] The different titi species vary substantially in coloring, but resemble each other in most other physical ways. They have long, soft fur, and it is usually reddish, brownish, grayish or blackish, and in most species the underside is lighter or more rufescent than the upperside. Some species have contrasting blackish or whitish foreheads, while all members of the subgenus Torquatushave a white half-collar.^[3] The tail is always furry and is not prehensile.

Diurnal and arboreal, titis predominantly prefer dense forests near water. They easily jump from branch to branch, earning them their German name, Springaffen (jumping monkeys). They sleep at night, but can also take a midday nap.

Titis are territorial. They live in family groups that consist of parents and their offspring, about two to seven animals in total. They defend their territory by shouting and chasing off intruders, but rarely engage in actual fighting.^[2] Their grooming and communication is important for the co-operation of the group. They can typically be seen in pairs sitting or sleeping with tails entwined.

The diet of the titis consists mainly of fruits, although they also eat leaves, flowers, insects, bird eggs and small vertebrates.^[2]

Titis are monogamous, mating for life. The female bears a single young after about a five-month gestation. Twins occur rarely, having been documented in only 1.4% of all births in captive groups of C. moloch.^[4] While the second infant usually does not survive, cases where neighbouring groups have adopted infants are known, suggesting that twins may be reared successfully under certain circumstances.^[5] Often it is the father who cares for the young, carrying it and bringing it to the mother only for nursing. The young are weaned after 5 months and are fully grown after two years. After three or more years, they leave their family group in order to find a mate. While the life expectancy of most species is unclear, the members of the subgenus Torquatus may live for up to 12 years in the wild,^[6] while members of the C. moloch group have been known to live for more than 25 years in captivity.^[

Hmmm, that’s very interesting,  but my »prefix« doesn’t originate in South America, but in Asia …

[Josh-O]

[Kim]

ナゾナゾ = Riddle

[Kim]

Is your palm stem from a dwarf Rhapis?

[Pal Meir]

6 minutes ago, Kim said:

ナゾナゾ = Riddle

»riddle« nazonazo < nañ=zo? nañ=zo? < nani=so? nani=so, meaning »what? what?« = riddle

8 minutes ago, Kim said:

Is your palm stem from a dwarf Rhapis?

Yeah, but WHICH species? It is VERY common and not at all special … And the dwarf can grow stems as tall as 3 m …

[doranakandawatta]

this thread is now very subtilis. 

 

[Pal Meir]

2 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

this thread is now very subtilis. 

 

YEAH !!! That’s it! Further 40 points go to Swiss Sri Lanka!

R. subtilis: stem without sheaths 0.3-1.5 cm diameter

[doranakandawatta]

Just now, Pal Meir said:

YEAH !!! That’s it! Further 40 points go to Swiss Sri Lanka!

R. subtilis: stem without sheaths 0.3-1.5 cm diameter

It's why I hope the seeds I just received will germinate.
Then I'll see how they can be good plants in tropical gardens.

[Pal Meir]

And here a pic of the palm, when she was still alive:

[Pal Meir]

13 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

It's why I hope the seeds I just received will germinate.
Then I'll see how they can be good plants in tropical gardens.

Did you order Rhapis seeds? And which species did you order? When they germinate they will surely become a great riddle, you can get any species, independent of the fact what you have ordered …

[doranakandawatta]

2 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Did you order Rhapis seeds? And which species did you order? When they germinate they will surely become a great riddle, you can get any species, independent of the fact what you have ordered …

Yes,
I just did it!
Rhapis subtilis, Is it a slow germination species? difficult?

[Pal Meir]

1 hour ago, doranakandawatta said:

Yes,
I just did it!
Rhapis subtilis, Is it a slow germination species? difficult?

R. subtilis is not as fast as R. excelsa, but it is not complicated. But the first years all Rhapis grown up from seed are very very slow …

[Pal Meir]

@doranakandawatta These tiny seedlings are 2 years 6 months old:

[doranakandawatta]

Thank you Pal,

I'll be dead before I plant them in the garden!

[Steve Mac]

14 hours ago, Josh-O said:

"The titi"

Man you know a lot about titis. 

[Brad Mondel]

Can you identify this Rhapis Pal? Or anyone? I can't tell them apart and this one has fused leaflets. I think it is excelsa. 

[Josh-O]

On 6/5/2016, 11:15:01, gtsteve said:

Man you know a lot about titis. 

lol....

[Pal Meir]

6 hours ago, Brad Mondel said:

Can you identify this Rhapis Pal? Or anyone? I can't tell them apart and this one has fused leaflets. I think it is excelsa. 

The leaves look typical of R excelsa, the other parts (e.g. stem) I can’t see.
Rhapis excelsa
(1) 2-15 leaflets
(2) blades not split to the base
(3) jagged apices of leaflets
(4) petiole to 4 mm wide
(5) ligules not persistent
(6) stem with sheaths 1.5-2.1 cm diameter (to 2.5 m tall)
(7) stem without sheaths 0.8-1.2 cm diameter

[Brad Mondel]

Thank you Pal. Here is a picture of the stems: