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Crownshaft-like Big Queen


Jim in Los Altos

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image.thumb.jpeg.48d2ff6b37df948b1e70e6eimage.thumb.jpeg.f4a073ca1019c0f2dca3df7image.thumb.jpeg.d464b2ba2de162dcb4d5566I planted this queen palm early on in this hobby. Has anyone seen one like this that sheds its leaves cleanly before turning brown including their boots just like a crownshafted palm? All my other Syagrus, regardless of species, need trimming and many leaf boots remain.

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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You are one of the lucky ones.  If they only all shed there leaves like that.  Never saw one do that.

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Is that Tetrapanax papyrifer in those shots, Jim?  Any trouble with invasiveness?

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On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

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Dont know if this counts but i have one( my largest one) that when we get some wind usually a leaf or 2 will fold down and i just give a little pull and it comes right off. All my other queens i have to climb and cut when brown.

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21 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Is that Tetrapanax papyrifer in those shots, Jim?  Any trouble with invasiveness?

Yes, Ben. It's about the coolest invasive plant I know however. These pop up in all parts of my yard occasionally but are really easy to control.  

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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27 minutes ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Yes, Ben. It's about the coolest invasive plant I know however. These pop up in all parts of my yard occasionally but are really easy to control.  

I've got a tiny one in a pot - looking forward to getting it in the ground!  Maybe next year?

I assume yours hold their leaves alright through our winter?

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1 hour ago, Ben in Norcal said:

I've got a tiny one in a pot - looking forward to getting it in the ground!  Maybe next year?

I assume yours hold their leaves alright through our winter?

Other than new leaves in winter being smaller, the plants hold most of their leaves but some yellowing occurs too. 

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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I have seen only one around here... Looks exactly the same as yours. I wonder if your seeds will turn out to be similar as the parent? I think Ben was looking for some extra Queens :lol:

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4 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Has anyone seen one like this that sheds its leaves cleanly before turning brown including their boots just like a crownshafted palm? All my other Syagrus, regardless of species, need trimming and many leaf boots remain.

Looks great Jim!

I think I have one here. No boots, and usually it drops the leaves clean. I occasionally trim it, but the boot comes off a short time later with a gentle tug.

It also displays purple after shedding the leaf, it's sometimes quite striking.

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2 hours ago, Pando said:

Looks great Jim!

I think I have one here. No boots, and usually it drops the leaves clean. I occasionally trim it, but the boot comes off a short time later with a gentle tug.

It also displays purple after shedding the leaf, it's sometimes quite striking.

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Yeah, very similar. Queens are so variable that I guess some are bound to exhibit this trait. I have another big queen that is retaining leaf boots almost all the way to the ground and they can't be tugged off. 

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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57 minutes ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Yeah, very similar. Queens are so variable that I guess some are bound to exhibit this trait. I have another big queen that is retaining leaf boots almost all the way to the ground and they can't be tugged off. 

I think if all queens were like yours they would be a lot more desireable. Not only would they look better but it would be a lot cheaper to maintain. 

I have seen a lot of variations around here. One around here doesn't look all that plumose. Leafs droop similar to a kentia. Really attractive. Others are clearly hybrids of some kind. I'm curious if yours would pass on the traits. You could make a lot off your self cleaning queens :) 

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a self-cleaning queen- nice. A non-plumose queen- even better. That would look a little like a coconut. Maybe that palm you are seeing is not a queen, maybe a hybrid or a Syagrus pseudococos or amara? Would love to see pics of that palm.

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I have a couple older ones by our pool that were there prior to buying the house. They're probably 20 years old at this point. They also have the very compact leaf bases which fall off quickly. I just assumed it was an age thing, but I'll pay a bit more attention from now on. It's a cool look.

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I've seen plenty cool queens! If we could only choose the certain traits we wanted in them, that would be great. Because some look like shit.

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Man, this queen is starting to act like a royal. Less than an hour ago a fully green frond broke loose at the trunk and came down crushing some minor plants beneath. I'd guess its weight at 30 lbs. and its length at more than 20 feet. No sound or any other warning just before it fell. 

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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