Hybrid or real Phoenix loureiroi

[Phoenikakias]

Your opinion will decide upon life or death of this palm, since I do not want another hybrid occupy a spot in my overcrowded garden. I was thinking originally that it was a pure loureiroi because it has yellow spines radiating to various directions and rather cold sensitive in swampy conditions, where CIDP, theophrasti, reclinata and dactylifera thrive. But it grows to big and robust for a loureiroi and most importantly pinnae become bifurcated on newer leaves.

[Phoenikakias]

Note that there is also an offshoot in front of the main stem

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[gyuseppe]

as you said: is big and robust for a loureiroi.........

[Phoenikakias]

[gyuseppe]

does not look like to  my phoenix loureiroi and to 2  phoenix loureiroi  in the botanical garden of Naples

[gyuseppe]

It is  in the sun or half shade?

[Phoenikakias]

[Phoenikakias]

Rather half shade.

[Pal Meir]

The fronds of the Ph loureiroi I’ve seen looked more plumose, not so flat, but I know (from books) that there seem to be many variations:

[Kris]

Hi,

Beautiful palm and has all the aspects of a CIDP.

And I love the way the fronds arch out near the ends.

Its a hybrid but a beautiful one..

Thanks for those lovely visual..since iam a phoenix palm fan.

Love,

Kris.

 

[Monòver]

Like Kris says, looks a small canary...

[Phoenikakias]

2 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

The fronds of the Ph loureiroi I’ve seen looked more plumose, not so flat, but I know (from books) that there seem to be many variations:

Pal, I have a female loureiroi (first one is a male specimen) which is identical to one in the second picture and was bought as hanceana, well then it was supposed to be distinct from loureiroi, under which name had been bought the specimen to be identified in this topic.

[Josh-O]

the leaves are to pinnate to be 100% Loureiroi IMO.

probably a hybrid?

 

[Phoenikakias]

1 hour ago, Josh-O said:

the leaves are to pinnate to be 100% Loureiroi IMO.

probably a hybrid?

 

Not quite sure what you want to mean Josh... 

[Josh-O]

if you look at some google pic's you can see that P. Loureiroi is much more plumose that the palm picture that you posted.

since it is suckering (has an off shoot like you stated) it probably has Dac or theo in it. I think in your case to really see what it turns into you need to give it more time to grow to get a positive ID

[Phoenikakias]

Thanks Josh for your detailed reply. From the replies I conclude that it is a hybrid probably of loureiroi with probably CIDP. What confuses me however is its intolerance to soggy soil combined with light frost during night. Really under such conditions  several of the potential parents thrive, as I have already written. But this plant during its first winter almost died, and it was saved only through the production of some offshoots while main stem gave up the spirit. Not an anticipated behavior of a hybrid having theo, canary, dactylifera or even reclinata as parent.