UPDATE. 300+ year old Sabal Palm forest FOR SALE.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

remember these pics near FT ISLAND BEACH?

the land is now for sale.  150 acres.  my problem is what would happen if someone tried to build a theme park or something.  what would happen to these ancient sabals?   they would probably get torn down!  what do you think?

[Pal Meir]

 They will get turn down …

[hbernstein]

If the developer has some plant business sense, then they will be sold for spectacular landscaping. Most likely the palms, other flora, and the whole biotic community onsite will be destroyed. Perhaps local zoning will require a certain percentage of the existing trees to be spared, but ecologically they'd only be symbolic of what is lost.

[Josh-O]

lets hope for the best with this one.

 

 

[doranakandawatta]

ecologically they'd only be symbolic of what is lost. 

Is there no protection for such a land and vegetation? does it belong to constructible area?

[RedRabbit]

You can't really conclude anything about the situation from just seeing the land for sale. What is it currently zoned as? Can the zoning be changed? Is there sufficient local infrastructure to support a construction project in the first place?

There a lot of things to consider. If the highest and best use is a subdivision and those palms stand between you and a $5,000,000 profit, could you honestly say you wouldn't cut them down if you were the developer? 

[doranakandawatta]

$5,000,000 profit, could you honestly say you wouldn't cut them down if you were the developer? 

How would you describe a developer as a human species? 

It' s why I was wondering if there is any protection by law or zoning for such an ecological and landscape value, such as what we have in State of Geneva, protecting by law even a single tree ?

[doranakandawatta]

300-year-old-sabal-palm-forest-

Actually, can a palm species reach 300 years ? or is it the gas of the population?
Could you tell us about the history of this place?

 

 

[PalmTreeDude]

4 hours ago, doranakandawatta said:

300-year-old-sabal-palm-forest-

Actually, can a palm species reach 300 years ? or is it the gas of the population?
Could you tell us about the history of this place?

 

 

I think he ment palms have been there for 300 years. Not the ones in the pictures. But maybe some are nearing 100!

[PalmTreeDude]

I hope this does not get cut down. It would be nice if someone bought it and made it a park.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

4 minutes ago, PalmTreeDude said:

I think he ment palms have been there for 300 years. Not the ones in the pictures. But maybe some are nearing 100!

No sabal palmettos are very slow growers so these are probably 2-300 years old

[PalmTreeDude]

3 minutes ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

No sabal palmettos are very slow growers so these are probably 2-300 years old

I wouldn't say past 175. Palms are not like hard woods, they don't die around 300 - 500 years old, like an average tree. They have short lifespands for being considered trees.

Edited September 22, 2016 by PalmTreeDude

[Yunder Wækraus]

How much is the property?

[RedRabbit]

What's the address? I checked Zillow and I'm not seeing any properties up there that are 150 acres.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

10 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

What's the address? I checked Zillow and I'm not seeing any properties up there that are 150 acres.

go on google maps and go to ft island beach and go to street view, drive down the road and there is a billbord saying its for sale

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

1 minute ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

 

10 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

What's the address? I checked Zillow and I'm not seeing any properties up there that are 150 acres.

13444 ft island trail crystal river

 

[Cikas]

On 22.09.2016. 23:41:49, PalmTreeDude said:

I wouldn't say past 175. Palms are not like hard woods, they don't die around 300 - 500 years old, like an average tree. They have short lifespands for being considered trees.

Depending on the specie, palms can have very long lifespan. Phoenix palms for example can live 300+ years. Some palm specie can live 700+ years.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/12/20/palm_trees_longevity_oldest_trees_have_cells_that_live_for_700_years.html

Oldest know Jubea is 1600 years old.

[Pal Meir]

21 minutes ago, Cikas said:

Depending on the specie, palms can have very long lifespan. Phoenix palms for example can live 300+ years. Some palm specie can live 700+ years.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/12/20/palm_trees_longevity_oldest_trees_have_cells_that_live_for_700_years.html

Oldest know Jubea is 1600 years old.

Forget that link. The oldest known Jubaea was over 160 (hundred sixty) years old (at Kew). The oldest certified palm may be the Chamaerops in Padua with ca. 450 years (»Goethe’s Palm«). The »700 years« were a (very) wild guess for Lodoiceas, but they don’t live so long, maybe up to 200 years or less.

[Cikas]

31 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

Forget that link. The oldest known Jubaea was over 160 (hundred sixty) years old (at Kew). The oldest certified palm may be the Chamaerops in Padua with ca. 450 years (»Goethe’s Palm«). The »700 years« were a (very) wild guess for Lodoiceas, but they don’t live so long, maybe up to 200 years or less.

There are alot of 500-700 years old Serenoa repens in their native habitat.

http://irieonline.com/websites/plantapalm/vpe/misc/saw-palmetto.pdf

700 years old palms.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121219092842.htm

Jubea 700 years old

''El Capitan'' Jubea belived to be 1600 years old.

 

Edited September 24, 2016 by Cikas

[RedRabbit]

On 9/23/2016, 8:32:18, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

13444 ft island trail crystal river

 

There doesn't appear to be an MLS listing for it. My guess is it is already sold or the owner decided to take it off the market.

[Pal Meir]

Serenoa may reach a similar age as Chamaerops, because they have creeping stems. Also clustering palms like Rhapis can become very old, but the 1600 years of the Jubaea are simply nonsense. I guess they may grow for ca. 200+x years or so in colder or drier regions.

[Cikas]

Some clustering palms can live indefinitely. When one stem dies, others replece it.

There are alot of 400+ years old Jubeas in native habitat.

Slower growing palm species live longer than fast growing. Also palms do not age ( their stem cells ). They die because of strong winds, lightning strike, or when they become to big to be able to to extract water from the soil .

Exception are monocarpic palms like caryota.

Jubea is native to central Chile. Climate there is cool ( never hot ). Jubea has the longest lifespan of all non-clustering palms.

Edited September 24, 2016 by Cikas

[Cikas]

''El Capitan''/''La Capitana'' Jubea is 28 meters tall and belived to be 1600 years old. That age is given by specialists from Chile. Determined by normal growth speed of Jubea in Chilean climate and size of the specimen.

https://jardinage.ooreka.fr/plante/voir/534/jubaea-chilensis

Edited September 24, 2016 by Cikas

[Tyrone]

The large Dypsis decipiens on Madagascar are meant to be around 500 years old. I have no trouble in believing that some palms can grow for many many centuries, and that specimens of truly ancient ones are becoming scarcer and scarcer.