Hurricane Matt Palm damage

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

Look at this bizzie: 

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

I personally lost a nice glenn mango tree, a 6 ft teddyxtriangle hybrid, a small coccothrinax crinita, 2 small panama talk cocos. 

[Daryl]

Sorry to say, I don't think it will pull through...one species that is not adapted to strong wind!

 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Ouch.

[Cindy Adair]

2 hours ago, Cocoa Beach Jason said:

I personally lost a nice glenn mango tree, a 6 ft teddyxtriangle hybrid, a small coccothrinax crinita, 2 small panama talk cocos. 

I am so sorry!

[Palm Tree Jim]

To bad on the loss......

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

I wonder which palms had the highest rate of survival?

[Josh-O]

ouch!!

sorry to see this horrific damage to you collection

[willo68]

For some reason i thought Bismarks were better able to handle storms. Mine though standing got a few leaves that were torn up.

Sorry about your losses.

[BS Man about Palms]

Bummer

 

[Yunder Wækraus]

My young coconut was violently repositioned. It's now on its side and bent in the opposite direction. My C. Argentata was hit by the snapped top half of a papaya. My royal had some fronds snap, and two wild (ficus?) trees on my property line snapped in half. We were very lucky. We have no internet or AC right now.

[PalmTreeDude]

I have been hearing the bizzies have been getting knocked over a lot easier than most other palms, if you look around the forum you can see a few more threads about damaged bizzies. 

[redbeard917]

8 hours ago, Daryl said:

Sorry to say, I don't think it will pull through...one species that is not adapted to strong wind!

 

I'm no expert but I thought Bismarckia were well adapted to the Florida climate--not if they can't handle wind, though.

[PalmTreeDude]

5 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

I wonder which palms had the highest rate of survival?

I have heard Bottle Palms have been doing well, and if a half or less of a Royal Palms grown shaft gets knocked off, normally it recovers. So I guess those are some of the better ones? 

[PalmTreeDude]

1 minute ago, redbeard917 said:

I'm no expert but I thought Bismarckia were well adapted to the Florida climate--not if they can't handle wind, though.

Yeah, they are good with most weather conditions, wind is their enemy, it seems.

[Yunder Wækraus]

1 minute ago, PalmTreeDude said:

I have heard Bottle Palms have been doing well, and if a half or less of a Royal Palms grown shaft gets knocked off, normally it recovers. So I guess those are some of the better ones? 

Good old cabbage palms :-)

[PalmTreeDude]

Just now, Yunder Wækraus said:

Good old cabbage palms :-)

Ah! Yes! The natives are pretty good with wind, I have only seen one Sabal palmetto get snapped by wind, not from the hurricane though. I know they will loose some fronds but that is about it, most of the time. 

[RedRabbit]

Sorry to see that :(

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

2 hours ago, PalmTreeDude said:

Ah! Yes! The natives are pretty good with wind, I have only seen one Sabal palmetto get snapped by wind, not from the hurricane though. I know they will loose some fronds but that is about it, most of the time. 

Saw a sable palmetto snapped in half yesterday. 

[PalmTreeDude]

1 minute ago, Cocoa Beach Jason said:

Saw a sable palmetto snapped in half yesterday. 

Yeah, they still can snap! I would assume the shorter ones (0 - 5 foot trunks) survive the most. 

[DoomsDave]

Ouch!

But it could have been worse. Bizzies grow fast, and can be replaced as much of a bummer as I know it will be.

Since they're from Madagascar, which doesn't get storms, it's not surprising they don't take them well.

Still, sad to see, but glad you left when you did and you're safe.

 

[DoomsDave]

3 hours ago, Yunder Wækraus said:

My young coconut was violently repositioned. It's now on its side and bent in the opposite direction. My C. Argentata was hit by the snapped top half of a papaya. My royal had some fronds snap, and two wild (ficus?) trees on my property line snapped in half. We were very lucky. We have no internet or AC right now.

Sorry to hear about the damage, but it could have been much worse.

From what I understand, Royals just grow a new set of leaves, unless they're broken in two in the trunk.

Let us know your recovery, others will benefit.

[Alicehunter2000]

That sucks....but could have been much worse....much worse

[GottmitAlex]

1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

Ouch!

But it could have been worse. Bizzies grow fast, and can be replaced as much of a bummer as I know it will be.

Since they're from Madagascar, which doesn't get storms, it's not surprising they don't take them well.

Still, sad to see, but glad you left when you did and you're safe.

 

This

[PalmTreeDude]

How did any washingtonia in the area stand up to the storm? 

[Dave-Vero]

I've heard of a Merritt Island Bismarckia that was toppled by the 2004 hurricanes, just fine this year.  It's in a pretty dense yard with luxuriant live oaks.  

A young Kentiopsis oliviformis, trunkless, 6 foot leaf, in a sheltered spot, flopped over.  I've propped it.

My young Latania, trunkless, is fine.  A fairly big Coccothrinax under a laurel oak suffered several broken leaves, as did a trunking Crysophila warscewiczii.  Everything else, pretty much untouched.  One Archontophoenix tuckeri has a broken leaf. An exposed young A. maxima in the front yard that got blown like crazy, untouched.  A. cunninghamiania, untouched.  Satakentia, untouched.  Small Coccothrinax with about a 4 foot trunk, untouched, but it was on the "good" side of the house flanked by jaboticaba and mango, both also untouched.  Dypsis decaryi, untouched.  Three Carpentaria, untouched.  Even ripe fruit stayed in place.  Assorted Chamaedoreas, unaffected.  Tall (but not trunking) Dypsis carlsmithii, untouched.  Acoelorrhaphe wrightii, untouched.  

At the nearby Vero Beach airport, it was a lackadaisical hurricane, gusts apparently just barely reaching 74 mph.  Sustained winds up to about 49 mph.  Lots of fallen leaves, but trees kept most of them, very few large branches fallen (none in my yard), power restored after a day and a half. 

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

15 hours ago, Daryl said:

Sorry to say, I don't think it will pull through...one species that is not adapted to strong wind!

 

which species were you referring to?

[cfkingfish]

A lot of people ask what the most hurricane resistant palms are. There is a short list, but if you can take a frond and bend it back so that it doubles over on itself and doesn't break, you have a winner. 

Sabals, Satakentias, Royals, and Hurricanes would be on the top there. 

[Dave-Vero]

Of course the two Sabal palmettos in the yard were untouched.  John Dowe collaborated on researching palm wind resistance, doing some of the work at Montgomery Botanical Center.  Sabal palmetto came out as a leader.  Livistonas with similar costapalmate leaves did well, too.  Syagrus in general did poorly, which was in evidence today.  

BTW, two of my Carpentarias were carrying ripe fruit, which mostly stayed on the trees.  

[doranakandawatta]

On 8 octobre 2016 13:16:14, Cocoa Beach Jason said:

I personally lost a nice glenn mango tree, a 6 ft teddyxtriangle hybrid, a small coccothrinax crinita, 2 small panama talk cocos. 

Very sorry but I am glad we can see you on Palmtalk, you're still with us , which is the most important.

Think that it gives you new space to dream about other species... 

 

[Dave-Vero]

Today's freshly-opened inflorescence on an Archonotphoenix tuckeri.  Its sheltering leaf remained on the tree during the wind, then fell once the wind subsided.  The tree did suffer a broken leaf in 50 mile per hour (22 meters/sec) sustained wind, with 74 mile gusts.  The second photo is fruit on a neighboring Carpentaria acuminata.  I don't think any came off.  

[Yunder Wækraus]

On 10/8/2016, 4:08:33, Yunder Wækraus said:

My young coconut was violently repositioned. It's now on its side and bent in the opposite direction. My C. Argentata was hit by the snapped top half of a papaya. My royal had

 

 

On 10/8/2016, 4:08:33, Yunder Wækraus said:

My young coconut was violently repositioned. It's now on its side and bent in the opposite direction. My C. Argentata was hit by the snapped top half of a papaya. My royal had

Pix of damage. I think the palms did well. The two fallen trees are another story 

[Kim]

Looks like houses are intact and people are well?  While losing the palms and having to deal with the mess of the aftermath is disconcerting, I am so happy to hear from you east coast people after the storm, and considering the circumstances, you fared well.  You have lived to plant another day!

[Dave-Vero]

I was at Fort Pierce's Heathcote Botanical Gardens today (Monday).  There was some significant damage, notably a paradise tree (Simarouba glauca) planted after the 2004 hurricanes fell over.  The laurel oaks and live oaks had minimal damage, some leaves shed and assorted twigs and small branches.  The palm collection is more or less untouched, except for a Bismarckia that hasn't been happy for a long time.  A big clump of Acoelorrhaphe lost precisely one long stem.  

The garden was expecting to re-open Tuesday.  

[IHB1979]

I experienced the same type of damage in Indian Harbour Beach. Lost about 90% of my bananas, which was expected. Lots of leaning palms. I have a lot of tall variety coconuts that are just trunking. They are all in slightly different positions and have a little lean after the storm which isn't all that bad. Should help add a nice curve to the trunks. Several Vietchia's down to a frond or two. Lost one of my fences, fell over onto a king palm. Had a loaded banana tree fall and flatten my beccariophoenix alfredii. Also had my Eucalyptus deglupta lose about 50% of its branches. 

[Dave-Vero]

A smallish tree at Heathcote that fell was not a favorite (one trunk had been cut recently); it's in a prominent spot at the edge of the palm collection and the garden happens to have a nice young Copernicia baileyana, raised on Merritt Island, that needs to be planted. Not that I'm going to lobby for it.  

[Eric in Orlando]

All the palms at Leu Gardens in Orlando fared well other than a few broken fronds. A clump of Bactris gasipaes has a coupe 10-15 stems leaning a bit now. A nearby clump of Bactris glandulosa var. baileyana had the 3 main trunks about 15ft tall blow over. This palm froze to the ground in the 2009-10 winter then regrew from the roots. A couple years later a nearby tree broke apart in a summer storm and crushed it. Once again it regrew from the roots. Hopefully the remaining suckers will grow back nicely.

A few weeks ago a 50ft+ tall Caryota maxima (Himalayan form) was toppled in a violent thunderstorm.

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

I am glad to hear that all you Palmtalk Floridians came through the storm okay.  Sorry to hear about your palm and other plant damage though.  You all really dodged the bullet on this one!

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

Someone asked what are the most hurricane resistant palms.  The coconut palm seems to be the most hurricane resistant palm as it is native to the South Pacific islands that have super typhoons with winds in excess of 200 mph.  I have even seen video footage of the aftermath of the tsunami in Indonesia in 2004 in which man made structures were wholesale destroyed, yet many of the coconut palms were still standing after the tsunami!

[Yunder Wækraus]

5 hours ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Someone asked what are the most hurricane resistant palms.  The coconut palm seems to be the most hurricane resistant palm as it is native to the South Pacific islands that have super typhoons with winds in excess of 200 mph.  I have even seen video footage of the aftermath of the tsunami in Indonesia in 2004 in which man made structures were wholesale destroyed, yet many of the coconut palms were still standing after the tsunami!

Royals are also amazing for their size.