Medemia Argun seedlings are sprouting

[Josh-O]

today I decided to open up a community pot today of Medemia argun seeds I sowed on 6/15/16. this is one of 4 community pots I have growing (200 seeds total). since I saw a few leaf spikes starting to emerge from the soil line I figured it was now time. I was a bit hesitant to do this since they were just placed in pots only 4 months ago. I had no Idea for such little above ground growth there was such a massive root structure forming below. I sowed these 200 seeds thinking they can take up to 1 year to sprout (sporadically) BOY WAS I WRONG!!!!!! with in 3 weeks they started to send down HUGE tap roots. I guess when they are fresh the germination rate is very high. out of 43 seeds in this community pot 40 sprouted. WOW!

just removed the top layer of dirt. looks harmless enough? right?

this was a absolute mess of tangled tap roots. those were my fist thoughts anyways

doesn't this look really bad and almost impossible to untangle?

they actually untangled very easily and it only took me 40 min to pot these up with out damaging any of the tap roots

I still cant get over how massive these roots are(this shots is for you Pal )

they went straight into 1 gal tree pots. I bet by spring time they will go into 5 gal pots

you can see some 1 gal pots that look like they just have a seed

lying on top. not the case at all. there is at least a 8" root below the seed.

 

 

 

 

[Josh-O]

is anyone else sprouting this RARE gem?

[LJG]

I have never seen a palm root this crazy as a one-leaf seedling. 

[Josh-O]

16 minutes ago, LJG said:

I have never seen a palm root this crazy as a one-leaf seedling. 

you can say I was speechless when I took them out of the community pot.......

[Tom in Tucson]

As you already know from this link, I too am having good luck with this desert palm. Every 2-3 days I see a new sprout. Once they are visible, you can see how fast they grow (1/8 to 1/4 inch per day).

Good luck with yours.

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 98°, Lo 61°
 

[Josh-O]

1 minute ago, Tom in Tucson said:

As you already know from this link, I too am having good luck with this desert palm. Every 2-3 days I see a new sprout. Once they are visible, you can see how fast they grow (1/8 to 1/4 inch per day).

Good luck with yours.

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 98°, Lo 61°
 

 

[Kris]

Dear josh,

Nice visuals..It appears you got super fresh seeds to work with.

Congratulations and happy growing. ..

Love,

Kris.

[Neil C]

Impressive! Good job you didn't leave them any longer. I would have.

 

Regards Neil

[Pal Meir]

@Josh-O And here the ordered labels:

[Pal Meir]

6 hours ago, LJG said:

I have never seen a palm root this crazy as a one-leaf seedling. 

The seedlings of the tiny (!) Lytocaryum weddellianum can also have a very strong root system:

[Pal Meir]

@Josh-O O sorry, I made a mistake: It is not remote-ligular but remote-tubular germination.

[Josh-O]

5 hours ago, Kris said:

Dear josh,

Nice visuals..It appears you got super fresh seeds to work with.

Congratulations and happy growing. ..

Love,

Kris.

thanks Kris.

[Josh-O]

1 hour ago, Pal Meir said:

@Josh-O O sorry, I made a mistake: It is not remote-ligular but remote-tubular germination.

super rad Pall!

thanks for labeling this up. I took these picture just for you

[BS Man about Palms]

Only because of an article I read about these in habitat years ago I would assume vigorous root growth at an early age. IIRC this desert palm has been found with in habitat with roots well over 10' down. That's where the water was, so that's where they went!!

 

Great job Josh!  (and Pal)

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

20 hours ago, LJG said:

I have never seen a palm root this crazy as a one-leaf seedling. 

Bismarckia and hyphaene act the exact same way. Huge thick remote roots before a single leaf come out.

[Josh-O]

10 hours ago, BS Man about Palms said:

Only because of an article I read about these in habitat years ago I would assume vigorous root growth at an early age. IIRC this desert palm has been found with in habitat with roots well over 10' down. That's where the water was, so that's where they went!!

 

Great job Josh!  (and Pal)

 Thanks Bill, all I did was add water and soil  

[Josh-O]

Just now, Josh-O said:

 Thanks Bill, all I did was add water and soil  

And a big greenhouse 

[Stevetoad]

That's crazy! Don't forget to tag one for me

[PalmatierMeg]

Very cool, Josh. At one time I considered trying one, if I could find one. But this species is a true desert palm and probably wouldn't do well in my humid heat.

[DoomsDave]

On 10/11/2016, 10:03:53, LJG said:

I have never seen a palm root this crazy as a one-leaf seedling. 

Syagrus santoursii is just like that.

 

[Pal Meir]

1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

Syagrus santoursii is just like that.

 

Still too young for labelling, I’m waiting for the eophyll …

[Josh-O]

22 hours ago, Stevetoad said:

That's crazy! Don't forget to tag one for me

how many do you want? I've already sold a ton of them

[Josh-O]

9 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Very cool, Josh. At one time I considered trying one, if I could find one. But this species is a true desert palm and probably wouldn't do well in my humid heat.

they do great in humid heat.

the Medemia's at Nong nooch are seeding. its extremely tropical there

I say you should grow this RARE gem

[Josh-O]

5 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Syagrus santoursii is just like that.

 

a close second

[Stevetoad]

1 hour ago, Josh-O said:

how many do you want? I've already sold a ton of them

Just one.  Small yard. 

[Kris]

3 hours ago, Josh-O said:

they do great in humid heat.

the Medemia's at Nong nooch are seeding. its extremely tropical there

I say you should grow this RARE gem

Yes,they grow well in tropics.it resembles more like bismarkia nobilis than washy filiferas.

But hate shade locations. .

Love,

Kris.

[doranakandawatta]

the Medemia's at Nong nooch are seeding. its extremely tropical there

I am hesitating; wondering whether sri lankan humid tropical climate is ok for this species...
Maybe I stay with Lodoicea project and hope 

[Chris Chance]

Wow that's incredible Josh! I would definitely like to get one of these in the garden. How much are you selling them for?  

[DoomsDave]

One for me, too, jump on the Medemia bandwagon, and do the Areca catechu.

[Josh-O]

14 hours ago, Stevetoad said:

Just one.  Small yard. 

cool, I'll set one aside.

these are selling very quickly

[Josh-O]

3 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

One for me, too, jump on the Medemia bandwagon, and do the Areca catechu.

Dave, I also tagged and set one aside for you as well

as far as the Areca catechu I only have them in 25 gal sizes

[Josh-O]

3 hours ago, Chris Chance said:

Wow that's incredible Josh! I would definitely like to get one of these in the garden. How much are you selling them for?  

30.00 each

[Josh-O]

11 hours ago, doranakandawatta said:

the Medemia's at Nong nooch are seeding. its extremely tropical there

I am hesitating; wondering whether sri lankan humid tropical climate is ok for this species...
Maybe I stay with Lodoicea project and hope 

I say give it a shot and let us know how it goes.

[Josh-O]

12 hours ago, Kris said:

Yes,they grow well in tropics.it resembles more like bismarkia nobilis than washy filiferas.

But hate shade locations. .

Love,

Kris.

thanks for the input Kris

[Kris]

Dear friends,

A small suggestion,whoever is buying this nubiean desert palm kindly buy at least 2 or 4 palms...so that if they turn out to be a male and female palm.the future generations could have viable seeds.

Love,

Kris.

 

[doranakandawatta]

21 minutes ago, Kris said:

Dear friends,

A small suggestion,whoever is buying this nubiean desert palm kindly buy at least 2 or 4 palms...so that if they turn out to be a male and female palm.the future generations could have viable seeds.

Love,

Kris.

 

Dear friends,

It sounds really like a Lodoicea project  

Please send me at least 2 or 4 palm seedlings of Lodoicea, so that if they turn out to be a male and female palm.the future generations could have viable seeds. 

I am wrong if I think Medemia, Lodoicea and Tahina are the graal species of palm-addicts?

More seriously I remember having read about pollinisation of Hawaiian Lodoicea with Singapore pollen or , in srilankan historical botanic gardens, pollinisation of a female in Henarathgoda from a male in Peradeniya, or the contrary, I can't remember how it was in the beginning of XX th century.

[Josh-O]

22 hours ago, Kris said:

Dear friends,

A small suggestion,whoever is buying this nubiean desert palm kindly buy at least 2 or 4 palms...so that if they turn out to be a male and female palm.the future generations could have viable seeds.

Love,

Kris.

 

great Idea Kris

[LJG]

On 10/14/2016, 10:18:18, doranakandawatta said:

Dear friends,

It sounds really like a Lodoicea project  

Please send me at least 2 or 4 palm seedlings of Lodoicea, so that if they turn out to be a male and female palm.the future generations could have viable seeds. 

I am wrong if I think Medemia, Lodoicea and Tahina are the graal species of palm-addicts?

More seriously I remember having read about pollinisation of Hawaiian Lodoicea with Singapore pollen or , in srilankan historical botanic gardens, pollinisation of a female in Henarathgoda from a male in Peradeniya, or the contrary, I can't remember how it was in the beginning of XX th century.

If I recall from the biennial the SBG said their female when it was pollinated way back when, was done so from a pollen donor in Hawaii. They have a bunch Lodoicea now planted out. 

[Zeeth]

4 minutes ago, LJG said:

If I recall from the biennial the SBG said their female when it was pollinated way back when, was done so from a pollen donor in Hawaii. They have a bunch Lodoicea now planted out. 

I could have sworn that I read an article about how the female Lodoicea at Foster was pollinated with male pollen collected at the SBG, but I can't find the article anywhere now. 

[doranakandawatta]

1 minute ago, Zeeth said:

I could have sworn that I read an article about how the female Lodoicea at Foster was pollinated with male pollen collected at the SBG, but I can't find the article anywhere now. 

"Palms" IPS magazine?