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are sabal Palmetto native to louisiana

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Ive never personaly seen any, but ive never really looked either.  What do you think?

_Keith Grand Master

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They are not, but there is a naturalized group near I-10 in Lake Charles.

 

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They have a few forest full of naturalized Sabal palmetto there, not extremely big but a few places with 5 miles of pure Sabal palmetto mixed with other native plants. 

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29 minutes ago, PalmTreeDude said:

They have a few forest full of naturalized Sabal palmetto there, not extremely big but a few places with 5 miles of pure Sabal palmetto mixed with other native plants. 

The only ones I was aware of are in Lake Charles in a relatively small area.   I would love to discover there are more.   In what areas are you talking about?  Can you be more specific as to location?

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23 hours ago, _Keith said:

The only ones I was aware of are in Lake Charles in a relatively small area.   I would love to discover there are more.   In what areas are you talking about?  Can you be more specific as to location?

Lake Charles is one of the places I was talking about, as of a few places around the coast where Sabal palmetto are planted in the thousands, you can see them naturalized around the coastal areas. I have had some friends from Louisiana who said that they recall saying that they were in a park (where? I am not sure) and the forest had them scattered around. I asked them if it might be Sabal minor and they said no after I showed them a picture of Sabal minor and palmetto, they said they looked like palmetto. Maybe it was very old Sabal minor/Louisiana? They are known to get taller there. 

 

(Image of Sabal minor in Louisiana. Source; http://www.loyno.edu/lucec/natural-history-writings/dwarf-palmetto-sabal-minor)

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, PalmTreeDude said:

Lake Charles is one of the places I was talking about, as of a few places around the coast where Sabal palmetto are planted in the thousands, you can see them naturalized around the coastal areas. I have had some friends from Louisiana who said that they recall saying that they were in a park (where? I am not sure) and the forest had them scattered around. I asked them if it might be Sabal minor and they said no after I showed them a picture of Sabal minor and palmetto, they said they looked like palmetto. Maybe it was very old Sabal minor/Louisiana? They are known to get taller there. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I was not challenging.  I have no doubt there are other naturalized groupings, it is just I don't know of them and would like to see them.   And there are some very old trunking minors, too, but rarely would one see a trunk higher than 6 feet, 8 at the most.   One thing to be careful about when talking to Louisianans is that the common name used here for Sabal minor is "Palmettos."   Ironic, isn't it.   

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16 hours ago, _Keith said:

Don't get me wrong, I was not challenging.  I have no doubt there are other naturalized groupings, it is just I don't know of them and would like to see them.   And there are some very old trunking minors, too, but rarely would one see a trunk higher than 6 feet, 8 at the most.   One thing to be careful about when talking to Louisianans is that the common name used here for Sabal minor is "Palmettos."   Ironic, isn't it.   

You're right! They may have been talking about Sabal minor. I too hear Sabal minor being called palmetto a lot, maybe they were just some old ones. Isn't Louisiana the only state that is 100% cover by the Sabal minor native range?

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1 hour ago, PalmTreeDude said:

You're right! They may have been talking about Sabal minor. I too hear Sabal minor being called palmetto a lot, maybe they were just some old ones. Isn't Louisiana the only state that is 100% cover by the Sabal minor native range?

We literally have forest of Sabal minor in this state east to west and north to south.  It is our only native palm, but we have millions upon millions.  It would seem that Washingtonia and several Phoenix would easily naturalize here, but to date I have not seen it.  I thought for sure after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita seed would have been spread far and wide, but I have not seen evidence.   But I am looking.

 

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Zeeth Grand Master

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I'm in New Orleans for the month and I see S. palmetto naturalizing all over the city. There are lots of mature landscape specimens, likely trucked in from Florida.

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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On 12/10/2016, 3:49:14, _Keith said:

We literally have forest of Sabal minor in this state east to west and north to south.  It is our only native palm, but we have millions upon millions.  It would seem that Washingtonia and several Phoenix would easily naturalize here, but to date I have not seen it.  I thought for sure after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita seed would have been spread far and wide, but I have not seen evidence.   But I am looking.

 

Isn't serenoa repens native to Louisiana too? 

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

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3 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

Isn't serenoa repens native to Louisiana too? 

I believe they are native to the far Eastern part of the state closer to the Mississippi boarder from what I have read and also according to this map of their range. 

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_Keith Grand Master

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Not that it is at all definitive, but I have seen no palm naturalized here except our native S. minor.   There are some reported instances of Sabal palmetto naturalized in the western coastal part of the state near Lake Charles, but I have not seen them.  As I recall it was mentioned in a very old IPS publication.  

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KsLouisiana Community Regular

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On 10/22/2018 at 10:05 AM, _Keith said:

Not that it is at all definitive, but I have seen no palm naturalized here except our native S. minor.   There are some reported instances of Sabal palmetto naturalized in the western coastal part of the state near Lake Charles, but I have not seen them.  As I recall it was mentioned in a very old IPS publication.  

I live in Lake Charles and sabal palmettos are all over the place. There's alot more than what you just see from I10. My buddy had one out in the middle of his woods, theyre in every river bottom, the dunes in Cameron, and every dock near the shipping areas.  My question is why would you call them naturalized and not native?

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This pic was taken in Lake Charles at my friends property when I was just wondering through the woods along his pond.  

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_Keith Grand Master

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On 6/6/2021 at 9:30 AM, KsLouisiana said:

I live in Lake Charles and sabal palmettos are all over the place. There's alot more than what you just see from I10. My buddy had one out in the middle of his woods, theyre in every river bottom, the dunes in Cameron, and every dock near the shipping areas.  My question is why would you call them naturalized and not native?

That is a great question.   In such a limited area, I suspect naturalized and not native by my definition, but I am no scientist.

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Got a few pictures of some out in the wild at a job site in Vinton, La west of Lake Charles

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On 6/30/2021 at 9:06 AM, KsLouisiana said:

Got a few pictures of some out in the wild at a job site in Vinton, La west of Lake Charles

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Using google maps I located this tall sabal “minor” near Raceland,Louisiana. I took pictures from 3 angles to prove it is real. F20DE3DD-3130-4236-8E3A-625B7D908BB2.thumb.png.e0bb4cf15010a06947707e980a798bb1.png

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