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Engineers and palm trees:


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We can now blame them for the infamous brush cut look:

Checkout these drawings for the job Im on....

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Brandon, FL

27.95°N 82.28°W (Elev. 62 ft)

Zone9 w/ canopy

Posted

Oh my G.....  Someone burn those plans!

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Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
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Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Posted (edited)

Are these plans for Cali?  Will the palm after the trim be susceptible to immediate harsh winds? 

I can see the logic if they were to clean the boots off of the trimmed fronds but leave 5-6 fronds: They would pencil the palm and the remaining fronds would act as wind breakers and the palm would go Kaput. 

Of course, on the plans I do not see where they would remove the boots...

Oh, I just read, clear boots and wood. So yes, the plans are quite logical.

Still horrible.

 

I guess what I am tying to explain is: the more leaves a newly trimmed (both leaves and boots) palm has, the more resistance it will have against strong and moderate winds.  And when you have a thin palm top, due to lack of boots and slap onto that 5,8,9 huge fronds above it, we'll the potential for self-"guillotining" itself is quite high.

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5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

Posted

Those instructions to remove the fronds look like they were written for Sabal palmetto when transplanted.  And removing those fronds has been shown to increase survival up near 100%.  After the trees are established, there is no plant health reason to remove leaves, however.  

 

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Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

Posted

If the palms are Sabal palmetto and are field dug (which they obviously are), then the drawings look proper to me. Check below link for proper transplanting instructions as per University of Florida.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/st575

 

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Mad about palms

Posted

Has to be a palmetto guide.

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Posted

I do believe they were instruction for sabals    

 

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Brandon, FL

27.95°N 82.28°W (Elev. 62 ft)

Zone9 w/ canopy

Posted

Hi Ray, nice correct drawing for Sabal.  No roots = No leaves.  Keep them straight on the job!  Looks like Architect drawing and not Engineering drawing.  Engineers are more scientific.

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Posted

Looks a lot like a now-deceased queen palm on my return route from the Dark Tower.

Sabals are different, apparently.

Maybe some pictures of surviving sabals?

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Posted

definitely an abuse of the word "engineers".  No engineering in any of that I can see.  

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

Posted

Engineers draw my drawings so i assumed the same for all the pages...   My apologies.

Brandon, FL

27.95°N 82.28°W (Elev. 62 ft)

Zone9 w/ canopy

Posted
15 hours ago, Mike Evans said:

Hi Ray, nice correct drawing for Sabal.  No roots = No leaves.  Keep them straight on the job!  Looks like Architect drawing and not Engineering drawing.  Engineers are more scientific.

Thatd be a landscape architect or a civil engineer drawing. I work as an architect, we don't draw trees that detailed nor do we instruct on how to plant them

Looking for:  crytostachys hybrids, Pseudophoenix sargentii Leucothrinax morrisii, livingstona canarensis

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this is the most we'd go into detail about anything plant related. Its a custom planter we're designing on a hotel tower

 

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Looking for:  crytostachys hybrids, Pseudophoenix sargentii Leucothrinax morrisii, livingstona canarensis

Posted

Actually those plans in the OP look like a section of the Mercury IV rocket specs from NASA.

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On ‎3‎/‎30‎/‎2018‎ ‎9‎:‎47‎:‎04‎, DoomsDave said:

Looks a lot like a now-deceased queen palm on my return route from the Dark Tower.

Sabals are different, apparently.

Maybe some pictures of surviving sabals?

Was that the Queen of Doom? :huh:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

Posted

I work in commercial construction and see similar plans all the time.  The drawings are planting instructions drawn up by the landscape architect, as part of landscaping design site plan.  Some architects are more specific then others.  Some architects leave the planting strategy up to the actual installers (chosen by the projects owner or general contractor), while others leave no details to chance, and draw up instructions for everything from where the plants come from to how much and how many times a day they will be watered.

in commercial landscaping in Florida, most Sabal palmettos are planted with a “hurricane cut” detailed in the afrorementioned drawings.  S. palmettos have evolved to withstand complete defoliation by hurricanes, wildfires, or other acts of gods.

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On 3/29/2018, 6:11:25, Palmə häl′ik said:

We can now blame them for the infamous brush cut look:

Checkout these drawings for the job Im on....

20180328_110946.jpg

20180328_110939.jpg

Looks awful, like so many in my area :sick:. It stresses the palm, and this is shown on VA Bch, where these palms die in winters after being transplanted like that. Seed-grown Sabal palmetto's do well in VA Bch, though. Hopefully, these are just transplanting instructions and not for pruning after regrowth.

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