Concern for Leilani Estates as lava moves eastward underground

[WestCoastGal]

So Scott was correct in that the helicopters he hears are many times tour choppers with island visitors. Saw this one posted and mentioned on the fb Hawaii Trackers group. 

OMG I don't ever recall seeing a video of that cone fully filled with lava looking like that. Have to say this looks super ugly from this angle. You will NOT FORGET THIS VIEW.   When we were in a helicopter years ago, they were not allowed to fly over Pu'uO'o after one chopper crashed and landed inside of it. I'm surprised they are allowed to fly so close to fresh lava like this for a similar reason. Here's a NYTimes article which hopefully you can read through if you are interested: https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/27/us/cameramen-tell-of-struggle-and-fear-in-volcano.html

Calling it a night and now will probably have nightmares...

[WestCoastGal]

One last bit of news from Ryan Finlay (fb Hawaii Tracker group) about establishing a public viewing area. I mentioned this earlier in the week from one of his other posts and guess it's coming together. So will tourists come to Puna to see this and bring their much needed tourist dollars to local businesses? 

Another fb member to the group, Brian Shiro, said he saw it under construction today and it was confirmed by a police officer. He said he was surprised given it's proximity to the active perched lava channel, which when I read the location thought the same thing. And to think they won't let Scott and others in.

[Dave-Vero]

A few days ago, I checked Paradise Helicopters and found they were booking for early August.  Of course so was Volcano House--I got a reservation for one of their cabins long before the eruption.   Don't care to make any predictions about what the situation will be then.  

[Moose]

As Bill Sees It from Upper Puna:

 

The volcano has changed rain fall patterns. The beauty of container gardens.

[Moose]

Latest upload from Charles (YT Doing Hawaii)

 

Published on Jun 19, 2018

The June 18th, 2018 (6/18/2018) Leilani Estates Kilauea Rift Zone Eruption Update Report.

[Moose]

Big Island News Video News update USGS info.

 

Reference to Kapoho delta, seems to me the delta is forming in the former Vacationland area. Current ocean entry is not near what is left of Kapoho. Perhaps a matter of semantics with my opinion. There appears to be a vast part of the forming delta under the surface in many videos taken from aloft.

[Moose]

An interesting article from Civil Beat

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/06/big-island-hawaiis-last-hippie-holdouts-may-not-survive-the-eruption/

 

[DoomsDave]

22 hours ago, Mike in LB said:

Yes, we got in yesterday.  Five of our neighbors helped out, including the folks who lost the dome house on Nohea St. Civil Defense let some of us go to Nohea St for a brief visit to our homes or what is left of our homes/property.  All in all, it was a great day and eased some of the stress for the entire group.  I should be next in line for a visit for property retrieval. 

I made a brief trip to the back of my property on Nohea yesterday.  It was a bit terrifying to see the lava mounds and traces of the huge, raging lava river, just a few hundred feet away.

Mike

Leilani Estates

So glad to hear some good news.

Keep us apprized, please.

[Moose]

12 hours ago, WestCoastGal said:

CIVIL BEAT has Live Streaming Now!!!!

on phone at dinner now and if this link doesn't work do a YouTube search for Honolulu Civil Beat Live

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LOhoAhPRTRc

It's up in Keaau north of Pahoa. Closer than Axel's property but hope they'll have closer video images.

This morning the link sends us to the stream recordings of yesterday. Having trouble finding the Live Stream this morning.

Checked the Civil Beat Home page even with negative results. Has anyone found the live link this morning?

[WestCoastGal]

4 minutes ago, Moose said:

This morning the link sends us to the stream recordings of yesterday. Having trouble finding the Live Stream this morning.

Checked the Civil Beat Home page even with negative results. Has anyone found the live link this morning?

Link won't be up until they are ready to start the broadcast which they said was 11am HST, assuming the connections with Aloha Broadband go as planned, only 5:44am there now.

[Moose]

1 minute ago, WestCoastGal said:

Link won't be up until they are ready to start the broadcast which they said was 11am HST, assuming the connections with Aloha Broadband go as planned.

Duh, I forgot the time change. Must have taken my idiot pills instead of vitamins this morning.          

 

[WestCoastGal]

USGS updates:

PGV cam as of 5:40am HST (8:40am PDT)

 

Alert posted for last night, Mon. 6/18 @ 10:30pm HST (1:30am PDT). Pele's hair and other volcanic glass fragments continue to fall. I heard on Scott's early morning walk that he had a considerable amount of it on his roof and in his gutters when he worked on it yesterday. 

No new photos or map generated.

[WestCoastGal]

7 minutes ago, Moose said:

Duh, I forgot the time change. Must have taken my idiot pills instead of vitamins this morning.          

 

Maybe in need of coffee, the cure all!  although I guess for you it's closer to lunch there than breakfast. I just hit up Starbucks with some high octane stuff.  Trying to find the time to search for today and watch everything recently posted.

[Moose]

After listening to Scott so many times, I like to hear him when he has nothing to say...

But he does talk about on goings in Leilani Estates and related issues 

I think he may have referenced Bo in his talk?

 

If you would like to help those residents that have lost everything during this historic eruptive event, be sure to choose Hawaii Island:
https://www.catholiccharitieshawaii.

[WestCoastGal]

For anyone with a vested interest in vacation rentals there, here's the latest update on the County's Council meeting on the Bill regarding them. http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/06/19/hawaii-news/council-panel-postpones-action-on-vacation-rentals-bill-following-passionate-testimony/

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A focus this morning on fellow Leilani evacuees.

Mileka's fb page this morning is about 2 residents of LE both residents of Kupono Street, the Daltons and the Masons. The Masons were featured in another article posted here last night I think. Denise Dalton relays how her kids question her about their missing toys saying "oh the hot lava got that too, Mom?" Both families were at the FEMA Disaster Relief Center to register and get a feel for what kind of assistance they might expect. 

This is April Buxton's evacuation story, shared on fb Hawaii Tracker group, about her experience at the Red Cross Shelter. Hope you have time to watch her 5 min. video. She evacuated due to toxic gases in LE and as of 6/18 she still has a home standing and is still in limbo.

I thought the statement I read this morning from State Sen. Russell Ruderman in an article on State plans to tackle the eruption issues probably describes the lives of many of the evacuees pretty accurately: "State Sen. Russell Ruderman, who represents Puna, said he agreed that it was premature to convene a special session but emphasized that the situation, particularly in the shelters, was growing increasingly stressful for people. There are a lot of people falling through the cracks financially, so I think we really need to present a long-term housing proposal to deal with what is basically a PTSD situation right now,” said Ruderman. “At first it was exciting and fun … and now it is really a crisis.”  (my emphasis but I see in April's video that her sense of hope is evaporating). I can also see why so many people in comments I read (from here in Hawaii and in other US locations which suffered from natural disasters) have negative feelings about the Red Cross. This is really sad as I know they have some very helpful programs and were instrumental for example in getting our former HOA members certified in CPR on site. Lots of good people volunteering with them to help others.

Edited June 19, 2018 by WestCoastGal
added last paragraph

[Mike in LB]

Some good news.  I finally got a call from Civil Defense.  I have an appointment at 1 pm today to retrieve more stuff from my house on Nohea St.

Mike Arends

Leilani Estates

[WestCoastGal]

56 minutes ago, Moose said:

After listening to Scott so many times, I like to hear him when he has nothing to say...

But he does talk about on goings in Leilani Estates and related issues 

I think he may have referenced Bo in his talk?

 

If you would like to help those residents that have lost everything during this historic eruptive event, be sure to choose Hawaii Island:
https://www.catholiccharitieshawaii.

I picked up on the reference to a couple I thought he said who had a lot of palms and the palms weren't doing well. Said they were affiliated with a something something Palm group or something like that which gave me a laugh and of course I thought they might be a member here. I've seen through aerial videos a lot of yards that were beautifully landscaped with palms and did wonder who he ran into. 

I can't image having your gutters clogged with Pele's hair.

[Moose]

Gabe (YT H.I.S. Survival) showing reverence to Naïve beliefs. Interesting that how many non-natives, in time, come to an understanding and embracement of the local beliefs. The belief in a power greater than themselves and the resulting spirituality has served the natives well. It is how they have managed to survive hundreds of years, through multiple generations. A strong sense of community and taking care of one another is a lesson that has gotten lost in our main land culture.

So many stories of encountering Madame Pele', many come to believe there a simply too many coincidences to be dismissive of the possibilities.

 

 

I had the privilege of witnessing a Halau Hula make an offering to Pele the volcano goddess.

[WestCoastGal]

On 6/18/2018, 2:58:31, Moose said:

This panaramic view shows the lava river flow etched into lava levee.

USGS photo

Occasionally, minor amounts of lava briefly spill over the lava channel levees. The spill overs are the shiny gray lobes along the channel margins. The lava flow field has been relatively stable with little change to its size and shape over the past few days. View to the east, with the plume in the upper right showing the location of the ocean entry.

I thought this was a great view of how the lava channel gets embedded in the 'a'a lava layer below it. The channel walls here are very pronounced at this section. This photo helped my husband better understand Philip Ong's last talk on the channel as my husband was trying to picture it eroding downward.

[Moose]

1 hour ago, WestCoastGal said:

 

 

I thought the statement I read this morning from State Sen. Russell Ruderman in an article on State plans to tackle the eruption issues probably describes the lives of many of the evacuees pretty accurately: "State Sen. Russell Ruderman, who represents Puna, said he agreed that it was premature to convene a special session but emphasized that the situation, particularly in the shelters, was growing increasingly stressful for people. There are a lot of people falling through the cracks financially, so I think we really need to present a long-term housing proposal to deal with what is basically a PTSD situation right now,” said Ruderman. “At first it was exciting and fun … and now it is really a crisis.”  (my emphasis but I see in April's video that her sense of hope is evaporating). I can also see why so many people in comments I read (from here in Hawaii and in other US locations which suffered from natural disasters) have negative feelings about the Red Cross. This is really sad as I know they have some very helpful programs and were instrumental for example in getting our former HOA members certified in CPR on site. Lots of good people volunteering with them to help others.

Sorry, but can't help myself about being negative about the American Red Cross. Yes wonderful, they teach CPR classes. Or hand out vouchers for a free hotel for a few days for a family if their apartment gets burned down. And then call the local media to make sure it gets well publicized. Paper pushers with no substance or plan of action when it matters. When the proverbial poop hits the fan, they are inept at best.

My personal experience with them was as a blood donor years ago in a pheresis program that removes and filters whole parts of your blood for cancer patients. The procedure takes approximately 2 hours and can be done 4 times a year. The American Red Cross did not donate the resulting product but sold it at quite the profit. There were local merchants that donated food for a BBQ as a thank you to all those who were donors to the program. Here was the result, the paid staff had the BBQ's but neglected to invite the donors. Plenty of paid staff was always available to solicit and remind the donors that it was time again to donate. But no paid staff was available to invite the donors, for whom the BBQ was intended.

Every disaster in my area, the American Red Cross has failed to deliver, while solicitations happen immediately. It's pretty much an opportunity fund raiser. New Orleans during Katrina, they did the same. Raise money, give pennies on the dollar to those in need.

You can check and see what a tiny % ever actually gets to the recipients to those that donors had intended to benefit. The American Red Cross is self serving who have prostituted their once great name. The salaries of the higher ups is obscene, the organization is a scam and borders on the edge of being outright criminal. The do have a large well paid marketing staff as well. Sorry but the American Red Cross is bankrupt when it comes to ethics.

Look what the locals did in lower Puna on their own, setting up an aid station within days. Feeding the hungry, clothing, disseminating vital information, seeking shelter for the homeless. All volunteers. Where was the American Red Cross then? Where are they now? I know they are using this latest situation to appeal for funding, but please show me what they are doing?

My experience is the Salvation Army always answers the call in a disaster, often mobilizing immediately when a crisis arises. Amazing how so many volunteers they have and their paid staff not very well compensated, but they make it happen. That's where I send my hard earned dollars.

Just my opinion. Hope my rant didn't offend anyone.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Moose

[Moose]

Here is a short video recently uploaded by USGS

 

 

On June 18, 2018, at 6:13 AM, a seismic event occurred at Halema‘uma‘u that produced a relatively ash-poor gas plume that rose about 1,600 feet above the crater. The activity was captured by the Halema‘uma‘u Wide Angle webcam located in the USGS–Hawaiian Volcano Observatory Observation Tower. The plume dissipated quickly.
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[Moose]

Another short one recently uploaded from USGS

 

 

Published on Jun 19, 2018

In this video taken from the Leilani Estates subdivision, lava at fissure 8 pulses above the cinder cone adding fragments of lava (spatter) that build the cone higher. From fissure 8, lava flows freely over small cascades (rapids) into a well-established channel. Near the vent, lava is traveling about 24 km per hour (15 mi per hour). Lava slows to about 2 km per hour (1.5 mi per hour) near the ocean entry at Kapoho.

[Moose]

The 6am Civil Defense message via Big Island Video News

 

[Moose]

37 minutes ago, Moose said:

Sorry, but can't help myself about being negative about the American Red Cross. Yes wonderful, they teach CPR classes. Or hand out vouchers for a free hotel for a few days for a family if their apartment gets burned down. And then call the local media to make sure it gets well publicized. Paper pushers with no substance or plan of action when it matters. When the proverbial poop hits the fan, they are inept at best.

My personal experience with them was as a blood donor years ago in a pheresis program that removes and filters whole parts of your blood for cancer patients. The procedure takes approximately 2 hours and can be done 4 times a year. The American Red Cross did not donate the resulting product but sold it at quite the profit. There were local merchants that donated food for a BBQ as a thank you to all those who were donors to the program. Here was the result, the paid staff had the BBQ's but neglected to invite the donors. Plenty of paid staff was always available to solicit and remind the donors that it was time again to donate. But no paid staff was available to invite the donors, for whom the BBQ was intended.

Every disaster in my area, the American Red Cross has failed to deliver, while solicitations happen immediately. It's pretty much an opportunity fund raiser. New Orleans during Katrina, they did the same. Raise money, give pennies on the dollar to those in need.

You can check and see what a tiny % ever actually gets to the recipients to those that donors had intended to benefit. The American Red Cross is self serving who have prostituted their once great name. The salaries of the higher ups is obscene, the organization is a scam and borders on the edge of being outright criminal. The do have a large well paid marketing staff as well. Sorry but the American Red Cross is bankrupt when it comes to ethics.

Look what the locals did in lower Puna on their own, setting up an aid station within days by Ikaika Marzo and friends. Feeding the hungry, clothing, disseminating vital information, seeking shelter for the homeless. All volunteers. Where was the American Red Cross then? Where are they now? I know they are using this latest situation to appeal for funding, but please show me what they are doing?

My experience is the Salvation Army always answers the call in a disaster, often mobilizing immediately when a crisis arises. Amazing how so many volunteers they have and their paid staff not very well compensated, but they make it happen. That's where I send my hard earned dollars.

Just my opinion. Hope my rant didn't offend anyone.

 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Moose

[Moose]

From Charity Watch.org

The American Red Cross is another example of a charity that has made misleading claims related to a portion of "every dollar that you donate" going to programs, and in the Red Cross' case, it also is a charity that provides revenue-generating program services and has total program expenditures that far exceed its inflow of annual contributions. Accordingly, it would be extremely difficult for the Red Cross to try to calculate the portion of every donated dollar that goes towards it programs, yet as recently as November 2014, the Red Cross was claiming on its website: "An average of 91 cents out of every dollar that you donate goes to fulfill our humanitarian mission." It turns out that the Red Cross spends about 90% of its total cash budget on program services, based on CharityWatch’s analysis, but considering that we’ve calculated that it costs the Red Cross $18 to raise every $100 in cash donations, there is no way that $91 out of every $100 raised could go towards program services. The Red Cross has since removed the "91 cents out of every dollar you donate" misleading claim from its website. (For more related to the Red Cross’ 91% claims see here and here from ProPublica’s website.)

[Moose]

Top Three Salaries at American Red Cross (Based on Fiscal Year-Ended 06/30/16)

Name	Title	Compensation	Notes
Benjamin Spindler	CEO, Delta Blood Bank	$  631,537	Includes severance payment of $306,280.90.
Greg Williamson	Chief Investment Officer	$  597,704	--
Shaun Gilmore	President, Biomedical Services	$  553,086	-- https://www.charitywatch.org/salaries/american-red-cross/360

[Moose]

Read and make your own conclusions

https://www.npr.org/2014/12/04/368453320/red-cross-misstates-how-donors-dollars-are-spent

By the way, their 91% claim is back on their home page. A little P.T. Barnum

Edited June 19, 2018 by Moose

[WestCoastGal]

fb Ryan Finlay posted this in the last hour. I found it interesting on a few fronts. One that the National Guard took him in LE. Ryan's fb group has been great keeping its members updated and is a great resource but don't see how it's terribly different than what residents like Scott, Charles, Gabe and a few others (although that number seems to have dwindled) are doing with their videos. Maybe Scott and guys should talk to them about being escorted in. The lava in some recent videos is amazing and I'm sure seeing it closer up in person is something else.

His comment on the cracks, of which various people have been reporting on periodically, I do find distrubing as far as long term prospects in LE. I've heard the 40-50 feet or more comment made in a few different places including from Bo, Ikaika and Gabe so don't doubt it. Makes you wonder how much closer to the magma source the crack depth is and you know magma has to be coursing down through there in such volume with such pressure to uplift and crack that amount of ground which in and of itself is fascinating to think about.

I know people are still trying to organize animal rescue missions but are having difficulty gaining access. 

 

[WestCoastGal]

Mick Kalber posted on the fb Hawaii Tracker group that he's having issues with fb blocking him from posting his video updates to sites he doesn't manage (says he's blocked until 6/25) so asked people to help get the message out below to as many as they can. So here's his last 2 videos. 

 

[Moose]

55 minutes ago, WestCoastGal said:

Mick Kalber posted on the fb Hawaii Tracker group that he's having issues with fb blocking him from posting his video updates to sites he doesn't manage (says he's blocked until 6/25) so asked people to help get the message out below to as many as they can. So here's his last 2 videos. 

 

Curious why Mick does not upload to his You Tube channel? Must be a time issue, Scott complains its time consuming, much more than you would expect. I've never done it, just speculation.

Don't understand facebook, one of the reasons I never set up an account.

[Moose]

Latest USGS photos posted

 

Wow, can't fathom the estimated height of the splatter cone now. A 200 ft lava fountain barely reaching the rim,

from a once crack you could step over.

Fissure 8 vigor increased overnight June 18-19 with lava fountains reaching up to 60 m (200 ft). Spatter built up the cone to the east and into the channel. In this photograph, spatter lands on the east cone and flows downward.

 

Fissure 8 lava fountains obscured by a longer exposure photograph taken early morning on June 18. The incandescent spots along a horizontal line mark the edge of the lava channel. A tongue of incandescent lava leads down to the right - a small overflow from the channel margin.

It's beginning to be difficult to remember that this moonscape was a lush rain forest not that long ago.

The northern channel margin of the fissure 8 lava flow. Small hill in the distance is the site of our PGcam. Overflows from the channel can be seen producing shiny black to silver pahoehoe flows (incandescent red breakout visible in center of photo). These flows are building up the channel margins and making the levees more robust.

Look at the pronounced swath of SO2 gas vegetation kill

Fissure 8 cone, lava fountain, and channelized lava flow on the morning overflight - June 19 at about 6:10am HST. The lava channel is very full with many small overflows visible on the channel margins. Overflows are sluggish and move slowly downslope as they build up the levees.

Edited June 19, 2018 by Moose

[WestCoastGal]

Honolulu Civil Beats Live feed is up!

@Moose are you watching?

[Gonzer]

Really puts it all in perspective, distance-wise.

 

[Gonzer]

11 minutes ago, Moose said:

Latest USGS photos posted

 

Wow, can't fathom the estimated height of the splatter cone now. A 200 ft lava fountain barely reaching the rim,

from a once crack you could step over.

Fissure 8 vigor increased overnight June 18-19 with lava fountains reaching up to 60 m (200 ft). Spatter built up the cone to the east and into the channel. In this photograph, spatter lands on the east cone and flows downward.

 

Fissure 8 lava fountains obscured by a longer exposure photograph taken early morning on June 18. The incandescent spots along a horizontal line mark the edge of the lava channel. A tongue of incandescent lava leads down to the right - a small overflow from the channel margin.

It's beginning to hard to imagine that this moonscape was a lush rain forest not that long ago.

The northern channel margin of the fissure 8 lava flow. Small hill in the distance is the site of our PGcam. Overflows from the channel can be seen producing shiny black to silver pahoehoe flows (incandescent red breakout visible in center of photo). These flows are building up the channel margins and making the levees more robust.

Look at the pronounced swath of SO2 gas vegetation kill

Fissure 8 cone, lava fountain, and channelized lava flow on the morning overflight - June 19 at about 6:10am HST. The lava channel is very full with many small overflows visible on the channel margins. Overflows are sluggish and move slowly downslope as they build up the levees.

How thick is the lava channel?

[WestCoastGal]

Jack's getting his instructions. Nice day there!

If you are on a laptop it's easy to stretch the window out and you can see the live chat. If you have a google account you'll be able to sign in and participate. In any event I've found great info shared during the chats in the past. 

[Moose]

5 minutes ago, Gonzer said:

How thick is the lava channel?

Depth wise, I can't imagine how that could be measured or estimated. Have not heard any such figure from the USGS. There has been something stated about the fissure pumping out 26,000 gallons of lava per second.

[Gonzer]

Thanks Moosey.

 

[Kim]

The walls of the lava channel have been observed to be approximately 50 ft. in height. The depth of the flowing lava is harder to measure. At the ocean, the flow is about 1 1/2 miles wide, I think I read, though a plume is only coming up from one spot. The rate of the flow was said to be 7 to 8 million (edited!) cubic meters/day.

[WestCoastGal]

Pahoa Community meeting will air live on Na Leo TV ch 55 tonight at 5pm HST (8pm PDT, 11pm EDT). 

[WestCoastGal]

Ryan Finlay was in LE helping evacuate someone from their home (not far from F8 by the looks of it) and had this video to show.